Another 2y'old retires this year this time its Gimcrack winner Approve by Oasis Dream,this time its Tony's brother Gay O'Callaghann they are setting a trend.Always thought this colt looked a little monkey,knowing Gay O'Callaghan sure to stand him far too high,5/6k plenty for him I reckon.

"you can bet your bottom dollar there will be plenty of trainers with no great memories of these guys in 2 or 3 years time."


That might be the case,but have no doubt they will all be all know Oasis Dream and Invisible Spirit and what those two sires have achieved,if they can't remember them then they only have to look in the front of the catalogue.

Zebedee trading at 5k euro's now and not 6 as was said a while ago,nice looking colt,he's 15.3hh now at 2 years should make 16 hands.

I am at Tatt's Pot M and like you will be here this week,I have had plenty of time to go up to the Heath in the mornings watching some of ours working.I have not yet been to Tally Ho but will pay a visit shortly was speaking to Tony and Ann the other day but also to a few very good judges they all tell me Zebedee is a great looker they plan to use him,pity you don't!

There will be 170 mares covered for about 6k and then the 171st mare would be mine, standing me 10k say. Would you really have me do that? I don't think those odds stand close inspection -after all, even if you disagree with my chances, you can't disagree with the 50/50 chance of a filly!

I think you've said yourself that the margins are tight enough at this level.

It's certainly an interesting thought if you believe in the horse, if you really believe in the horse. I assume you would have heard if he was unsuited to his current job in  attitude or aptitude Prima.

I know I'm a broken record (on this as so many other matters) but with 100+ 1st crop members, it's a
brilliant opportunity to p;ss of a ton of owners/trainers/agents.

100+ opportunities for innuendo, skewed statistics, status to plummet, any of which may be completely unfair to boot.

As I say, if you really believe in the horse!

My grammar was not the best as I should've said if 'one' believes in a horse - obviously not just you Prima

Now as we are all anonymous on here, you cannot possibly know whether I have ever used Tiger Hill Prima, so hypothetically. . .[;)]

If I had chosen such a stallion it would have been with a maiden I wished to start with a proven sire. The mare in question would have had to be by a broodmare sire who has a real track record with that sireline too. The Stallion should have had plenty of stakes winners and I would've imagined that using such as Tiger Hill following straight on from some very good books would've held plenty of appeal too.

One lesson I hope I have learned from here is not to be quite so precious as to what level I pitch a mare. I always try to place a mare as high as quality and funding allow and that can narrow you down too much for sure. With a ton of lovely mares that you may or may not have Prima in a way you are always going to 'under' cover a proportion of them as they can't all go to the superstars. I hope you understand the temptation though for someone like me, always trying to make a breakthrough, to try and push to another level - which sometimes can be one of many routes to a downfall, hypothetically you understand, ofcourse

I understand Pot M and yes some of the mares do get 'under covered' sure some get 'over done' too that's all part of it. Some of the cheap sires are very capable of getting good even very good runners,but if you want to sell maybe you don't use that sort but I know about becoming tempted with stallions always hopeful of the result,but when selling is the main focus,you need speed and preciosity not so sure your sire choice would.


PP,I didn't ask about the others in fact I didn't ask about Zebedee Tony was telling us but said he'd been busy with them all,I too doubt Baltic King's had many but like you I really like him my god there is a lot of him hope he does well.
I also agree Zebedee has a very similar profile to Dark Angel with a lot of runners he could just do the same lets hope so.

certainly has done well PD. As opposed to Mastercraftsman.

Nice bit of aftertiming here I see.  Personally I saw the Danetime logic more clearly than the Zebedee this time.  More than a wiff of momentum building to me - half his top lots look like homers to me (Julie Wood, Rathmoyle Export?? & Tally Ho)....but I could be wrong. 

Hope they're not spending all there money before seeing mine.

'Zebedee is too much. I doubt we will use him at that price, the margins are tight enough without those sort of fees to start with'

GL to them they clearly pick the right type to get some buzz about.  Bushranger imo was a much better horses at two, has a better sprint pedigree and Danetime 'does what it says on the tin' to satisfy the early type market more than IS.  Thats not to say that IS isnt hot / excellent stallion.  Just an opinion.