Starspangledbanner

I think he would be a great addiction to the sire ranks,as he is fast, has class from a great sire line but gives a 'outcross'pedigree and add the fact he is a good sort.Chosir never set the world on fire as a sire but he did get plenty of winners who can get some classy ones, trainers do seem to like then,Whats the problem with Danehill Dancer in a pedigree Pot M?

I wouldn't mind Choisir coming back again cause i have a big rangy mare that i'd like to cover with him, he wasn't bad at stud maybe he could make it into a top broodmare sire as some of the mares i've saw are very nice.
I think that Starspangledbanner represents great value and if he did shuttle i wouldn;t mind sending a mare to him he has some turn of foot and can stay a mile

I saw Choisir cover a mare and he made the mare look like she was malnourished he has a massive body

I too have seen Choisir he really is a very strong sort,Starspangledbanner is like his sire but maybe has more quality than Choisir,but has speed to burn if he goes to Coolmore Ireland we would almost certainly use him.

^^^^ did she live to tell the tale

I'll retreat slightly in my Danehill Dancer rant, but as a sire of sires and broodmares I have my reservations - you know the flops too - so I just suppose it is a case of opinion as to where he goes from here.

I can see why you may have your reservations about DD as a sire of sires from the sons he has had so far Pot'M. But remember these sons were conceived when DD was standing as a cheap and cheerful 2yo Danehill son. Never expected to achieve what he has and only covered low grade mares. He has done well to have several sons at stud from these lowly books, but it is a stretch to imagine that his sons could replicate his success with similar grade mares when combined with their own moderate pedigrees. I would perhaps reserve judgement until his better bred sons come on stream. The same argument could also apply to his daughters, though they can be afforded better chances by the quality of stallion they visit.

I too have the impression that the phone was quiet for Choisir noms this year, didn't even add up to his air fare back.I reckon Starspangled will be popular all the same. A new face, fast and from the fashionable sire line that gets 2yo's.

Indeed P.D. I hadn't really given enough thought to the modest mares that were combined with the 1st few modestly credentialled sires by D.D. A lose lose situation perhaps!

Pot'M yes I did have a look at him. Basically he is his sire but with more quality. Maybe not quite the lump his father is but a nice horse. What were your thoughts about him from your TV view?

I know his Australian family pretty well.  Don't know much about his damsire but his grandams sire was Vain who was an out an out champion - one of the best and fastest horses you would see (from the Hyperion line through Star Kingdom and Todman - both great stallions).  He was absolutely brilliant and won the 2yo triple crown in Australia.

Interestingly his great grandam's sire was Zamazaan a French horse known for siring very strong resolute stayers in New Zealand and Australia.  Sire of at least one Melbourne Cup winner. 

I agree that he is more elegant than his father (who takes after his grandsire Lunchtime who was a big heavy topped horse also).  I would certainly use him - I don't think that race was a fluke - I have a huge respect for Fleeting Spirit and he beat her pretty easily. I think he is better than his father potentially.

PM do you mean PDsome comments from others leave you feeling OMG!

Couple of Million will hardly worry Coolmore.

They can stand him for a bigger fee in Europe next season if he goes on to win a Group 1 in France and the Nunthorpe. Fair play i say. Want to see him really tested but i guess a Breeders Cup on th e the Dirt is out

Heard that they might try two different trips with him

My wait is over then!Well done and both of us hope its a success for you Pot M,T.and C?

Nice choice we have one already covered just have to scan her once more, PD are you using him aswell?

Thanks for your support, much appreciated. Let's hope we've all made more than our fair share of good decisions this season.

This is perhaps a slightly average mating but I am heartened by the horses win over a mile and if in doubt, good looking 1st season is where I always feel safest.

Glad to hear you have used him and are in foal Ripvan, as I have a feeling he's going to need some great swimmers to get through my pretty grotty uterus!

Still they've had a go, so where there's a will. . .

They do Rip Van ................we do it too!As you know.[;)]

What's the plain face for Rip Van? Is she not in foal?

Oh dear that's not such good news this time of year,as for your question well all I can say is of the ones who went to Coolmore stallions all are scanned in foal most are now back here,yes we have used several sire's from the Danehill Dancer line including a chestnut.

Sounds like Rip Van Winkle is the owner of a so far barren mare,a great shame lets hope he along with others soon get the result needed.