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Decent price at 10-1 ? Not even confirmed as being aimed at the race yet, he wont be any shorter on the day.
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You got the Trend horse right Ben 10, as it is the Racing Posts trend guys selection ( Cape Blanco ) but looks like a non runner.
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Unbelievable that Workforce a once raced Maiden winner is into 3rd fave for the 2000 Guineas.
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Good Luck to you both with Workforce and Arcano,I wont be to disappointed if Arcano wins as Oasis Dream getting the winner will help one of our mares.
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Unbelievable that Workforce a once raced Maiden winner is into 3rd fave for the 2000 Guineas. Remember Golan in 2001 and Mark of Esteem in 1996 both maiden winners previous to their wins in this race. Both were at the shorter end of the market so it can be done. SNA apart does this really look like a vintage running?? |
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Prima, too early for me to be naming tricasts, named the forecast last year the day before though ;)
Thought Cityscape would get third last year but he got injured, could be interesting horse this year though; see he's in the Lockinge. The ground's always really important for me, on good or softer SNA will definitely make the frame but quick ground would shake things up a lot. Arcano and Workforce as named on here look possibles and then maybe put Fencing Master into the mix. I've been a fan of Stunning View since debut and if he took in a trial on quick ground (may have to come over here for that) and went well then they could be persuaded to go for it and he might be one for the frame. Hearts Of Fire is proven in soft so he'd definitely have a chance on soft with so many quick ground horses in the race. |
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bland82, Mark of Esteem, was 2nd to Alhaarth in his first race, Alhaarth was the fave for the Guineas that year, so was a good formline, Golan beat Clearing as a 2yo , Clearing went on to be 3rd in the French 2000G, so the form was there. Now i would love Workforce to win the Guineas but at the current price for a once raced horse, with still 4 weeks to go before the Guineas i think 10-1 is too short a price. What price were Golan and MOE 4 weeks before the Guineas, was Golan even in the betting ?
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I had no idea Workforce had gone so short, glad I took some 20s when we were discussing it a month ago push! Hopefully it's a case of those in the know taking an overly short price but I certainly couldn't back it now. Arcano should surely be shorter than him.
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Yes, but we know Workforce is aiming for the Guineas providing he runs OK in his trial, but Arcano have they not said they are still undiced about his future targets ?
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Unbelievable that Workforce a once raced Maiden winner is into 3rd fave for the 2000 Guineas. Push,I'm warming to this one,still think he is going to be better later on take into account his slow pedigree,but saying that think he may get 2nd. |
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Why have you heard something about his wellbeing ? I see Arcano is now being aimed at the 2000G.
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PD, i think you are just trying to jinx Workforce ( like you did Steinbeck ) :)
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I see Workforce is now entered in the Derby push
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Well the Stoute team always thought Kings Best would stay the Derby trip, ran in the Irish version after having to miss ours, through a setback. If Workforce does run well in the Guineas and gets cut to a short price for the Derby i will be laying him.
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Push,would I do such a thing?As for Steinbeck I had know for a while he was never going to NMKT and the Irish was his target,people chose not to accept that news though,Ive not had any news regarding Workforce,
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OK, we will just have to see how he does in the trials. 4 weeks to go , and i wake up every day fearing news that Workforce has had a setback, although i have layed quite alot of my stake money off.
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Don't worry MR Stoute is about the best in England he's done it before so get some sleep!
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Thanks,
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Just read on the Sporting Life webpage, Quote from Teddy Grimthorpe" Workforce is a possibility for the 2000 Guineas ( only a possibility ? ) and will probably go straight there.
Certainly would not want to take 10-1 about a horse who is only a possibilty. |
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Push,with all the bits and pieces of news what with HannonJR saying CC may not get the mile now this news about Workforce do you think SNA will win?
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I have him in a Guineas/ Derby double , and a break even single bet for the Guineas, but my judgement is clouded because i dont really want him to win. I think it may be ground dependent, if there is any give in the ground i see no reason why he should not win, but if the ground is G-F , i think it will even things up for the others.
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Yeah if there's cut I'd be prepared to withdraw my opposition but can't see him doing what he has done previously on quick ground.
What happened to the trial plan for Workforce, or have I made that up? |
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Seems Grimthorpe keeps changing his mind, but i would prefer him to go straight to the Guineas.
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Yeah I don't mind either way, would have been nice to get a level of his ability to make clearer judgements on the day though.
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ST.Nicholas Abbeys sire Montjeu has not had a winner of a group one as 3yo in mile races.
Distances of 1mile 1/4 to 1mile 1/2 ideal for Montjeu offspring at the age of three. |
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So what!That will change in a few weeks.
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Just wonderd if Galileo had a mile Gp 1 winner up to last year guys in RVW?
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Irish 1000G winner Nightime.
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New Approach 2nd in Irish / English 2000G , and the Bolger trained horses both placed in last years 1000/2000G.
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Lush Lashes, did she win one over a mile? She seemed to run over every distance at one point!
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How long was Sadlers Wells at Stud before he got a Guineas winner ?
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She won the Cornation Stakes over 1 mile RA.
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Just checked, she won two actually! One on yielding and one on good too, very good 3 year old filly wasn't she?
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Good over a range of distances , very unlucky in the Nassau Stakes, thankfully as i backed the O Brien winner .
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Oh yeah, that was awful from Manning :D
The O'Brien filly was tough in fairness to her. Was Entrepreneur Saddlers Wells first Guineas winner? |
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Prob his first colt ? Salsabil prob his 1st filly in 1990 to win a Guineas.
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From the original list of fancied horses in the betting, Arcano, Kingsfort, Workforce all out , its getting easier by the day for SNA.
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Yes you could say that,I can't see SNA getting beat really,but as ive said the dark horse is Hearts of Fire.
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Do you think Xtension will improve for the step up in trip from 7f to 1 mile ? I thought he may not train on, but he may be the value in the race, he stayed on well when he won at Goodwood, and looked to be staying on in the Dewhurst, without being quite good enough, but it was his first race since July.
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Push,do i think Xtension will stay a mile?Yes. Will he improve for the trip?Perhaps. Is he value?Yes,He is a nice looking horse and on pedigree should get the mile,however his form with Mata Keranjang puts him at least 2.5 lengths behind Hearts Of Fire who we already know stays a mile and improved for the step up. I can't really see any reason why Xtension is a shorter price than HOF other than perhaps trainer/sire,Though Xaar has been no great shakes as a sire and it would be a surprise to see him get a GNS winner,Timeform have Xtension on 116 and HOF on 118 I really do think that HOF is a dark horse and Peslier coming over for that ride is a pointer to his thoughts on the horses ability. I don't really think HOF will win, but it wouldn't totally surprise me if he did.IMO he is the value in the race.
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