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push,
The RP (guessing your source) site is not known for accuracy of this type of data. Whilst I do not agree with the SI or AWD method. I have it at 6.79 This is based upon winners over the following 1 winner @ 5, 5 winners @ 6, 6 winners @ 7, 2 winners @ 8. Hope that helps. |
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Yeah but the Shamardals appeared to be improving for a mile towards the end of their 2 year old careers, fair enough that's probably about right for them as two year olds but you can't go on that as they develop because at the moment it implies he's going to have sprinters which is simply not true.
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I should add those numbers I have quoted are for Oratorio
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Oh right sorry
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Thanks for explaining that Equimine, 6.79 f seems more like it, dont know how the RP can that the figure so wrong. Are they taking into account his runners from other countries ? ( assuming he has some ).
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The figures I have used for Oratorio are the same the RP would have used.
He has had five other wins 2 in Italy, 1 in Sweden, New Zealand and Australia. They have been twice @ 5f, once at 5 1/2f and 6 3/4f and 7 1/2 f. These victories would lower his AWD to 6.44. |
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i take it your a huge WORKFORCE fan then push
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Well Tidalbay, it is still all about potential with Workforce, yes i have backed him for the Guineas , but i also have backed quite a few from the O Brien stable. Just hoping Workforce does not do a CONFRONT and miss all the 3yo season, before becoming a good horse as a 4yo.
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watch for stouteys LONGLINER could be well h,capped
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cheers Tidalbay.
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Workforce on course for the Craven ?
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Hi, don't often visit this section. Regarding Racing Post Stamina Indices. These are the average distance of the races won by the progeny aged 3yo+ in Britain & Ireland (I think). The Shamardal one quoted earlier in the thread was probably based upon 4 or 5 wins so far this year. It will change as time goes by.
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Tom Segel , thinks Workforce will need cut in the ground for the 2000Guineas, but so should the fave.
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Not sure about that tbh
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See Workforce has been cut by most firms today for the Derby.
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Do you think they know something?perhaps M R Stoute is going to take Workforce to NMKT as a Derby trail,I do like him but he has got a slow pedigree.
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Yes and so did Kings Best.
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What i think is if he runs well in the Guineas his price for the Derby will be alot shorter.
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Yes Push I could see that happening too,Slower pedigree than KB.
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How do you work that out ? Kingmambo has a stamina index of 9.9f and Kings Best dam is a sister to a German St Leger winner .
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What I would say is he has all of his staying family and then add KB along with his thats where I think its slower than KB on his own.
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Only time will tell, not long now.
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Looking at the pictures of Workforce he does look like a middle distance horse to the eye rather than a miler.
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Good winner in the French Derby trial for Kings Best and with Workforce going for a Derby trial , could be a good year for the sire.
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Even if one of them wins a Derby,Kings Best is dead in the water commercially.
Come to think of it, there are only a handful of owner breeders who will use him either. |
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Looking forward to seeing this chap on Thursday, expect him to be 7-2 for the Derby if he wins the Dante.
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Plenty of money on BF waiting to get on Workforce for the Derby. Looking forward to see if he stays 1m4f.
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I think ground is a bigger factor... wants it softer than is likely imo.
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Mr P has his Derby winner at last.
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Yeah very nice, I sort of convinced myself he wouldn't like fast ground despite what I said above! Were you on push?
Can't believe I backed him for the Guineas :_| |
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Only on by default Ben, thought he would win the Guineas , so also backed him for the Derby because his price would contract with a good run in the 2000G. Did lay half my Derby bet on him off at shorter prices but still a good result. Have to say did not think being from the Mr P line that he would stay , but after his Dante run , looked to be staying on in that race, Now what about CAPE BLANCO ? I know he might not stay 1m4f but at least he would have liked the ground.
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I have a question for you more knowledgeable types on here. Workforce's half brother was beaten in April by no less than 111 lengths (yes 3 ones) in a novice hurdle at Chepstow. Is it usual for such a high class horse to have siblings of such modest ability?
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Unusual not too more like! No, I suppose some mares are pretty consistent winner producers but the large majority chuck out more than one duffer. Urban Sea, Hasili, Fall Aspen, Brocade they all had their 'blips'
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Thanks. Yes I thought so but that really surprised me when I looked at it
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i know it was a bog in paris, but i was impressed by WF today, watched it on bbc and really didnt like how he looked when he was beside bekebad on the slowmo camera. He is a Arc and derby winning 3yr old and i feel he'll be sent to stud after a possible tilt at the BCT which he really should win to put to bed questions about his race preformances
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Well it's Sunday eve so devils advocate needs an airing.
I think there are question marks for the commercial breeder about Workforce, but I think that they will remain whatever happens and it will come down to preferences. However I think that the Derby and Arc are such incredibly difficult races, the former being a particular graveyard, that any horse that can do the double has nothing left to prove to me in the pantheon of Racehorses. Great effort terrific horse. They don't all need to be Sea The Stars to enjoy them. |
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every proper racehorse is aimed for the derby regardless if he really stays the trip, the Arc is of the same basis, generally 4yr olds are given light campaigns as to keep the horse fresh for the 1st sunday of october. therefore the arc and derby are to me and many others apart of the 5most important races in europe.
pm i loved what you said how every G1 winner cant be the next STS. for me Workforce really has a great chance of being commericial and successful, Juddmonte will market and price him carefully and he'll get plenty of nice homebreeds. one point i will make is that i would like him to have a g1 win over 10f just to show he has a bit of speed |
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He's supposed to be ugly though isn't he, and breeders do have to look at their stock
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from the bbc slowmo camera that was focusing on bekehbad and got a small bit of WF he is certainly no George Washington
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When he was broken in Ireland the boys in ferrans lock always said he would be a proper racehorse.
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