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laughing gravy
02 Sep 10 10:07
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Like most of us on here I suspect, I have Brian as a green, but it is with more than a little reluctance. Although everything points to a Brian victory, there is still a nagging doubt in my mind. I'm convinced he can still be beaten.
The reason I think he can be beaten is the lack of love for him. Unlike the Brian who won the second series, a Brian that was genuinely loved by the viewers, this Brian is too knowing, too 'bi tchy camp' and just too full of himself. Yes, he 'owns' the house, yes the BB environment and format suits him to a tee, but I get the sense that the viewers don't really want him to win. This is why he can still be backed at aroung 1.6 and not the 1.2 he probably would be if he still had the same appeal as before.
The question this raises is who could beat him?
Victor has some kind of claim and Chantelle has claims, but I question whether either of them has the 'gears' to win out. Chantelle's appeal rests on the one storyline and Vic, although entertaining, is going to have to show a softer side which may not exist. The HM I have backed against is Nikki. From starting out convinced that Nikki would be an also ran, but I've changed my mind. I like the Nikki I am seeing.
The key moment for me was the last round of nominations. The Nikki that once was would have just shouted and pouted, this Nikki just burst out laughing when she got her 'shocks'. Yes, she can still be a pain, yes she might end up getting evicted on a negative vote, but there is definitely something okay about this Nikki. She still looks like a strange cross between a child and an old woman, but she has gained a self-knowledge and a self-awareness.
Please feel free to mock, but I suspect there may be quite a few viewers out there who want a viable alternative to Brian and have latent liking for Nikki. Given a fair run of things, a decent tree of temptation and an opportunity to show her vulnerable side - then there is a just a chance that, like Ulrika did in CBB, Nikki could hit the winning line at the just the right time.
Doubtless events will decree me the ultimate mug, but there you go.

Regards to All.
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Report shrewdbury September 2, 2010 10:21 AM BST
At least you've given some reasoning so fair play lg. There are ****s in his armour I agree, though like yourself even though I see them I'm keeping him green.
Report shrewdbury September 2, 2010 10:21 AM BST
lol, that was ch1nks*
Report PAKEY September 2, 2010 11:11 AM BST
Lol with ch1nks, Kenneth Tong will be furious.

Hi lg, was loving everything about the the post, right up until the point you introduced the name Nikki[:o]. You redeemed yourself when you said "she could do it like Ulrika", and I know that is a coded message saying Ulrika is the chosen oneMischief

Best of luck mate, I hope this is not going to be a procession led by Brian, the chosen one.
Report shrewdbury September 2, 2010 11:14 AM BST
Ulrika was the chosen one, when she won. Bit like Nadia sadly I think they've had their time.
Report laughing gravy September 2, 2010 11:22 AM BST
The 'chosen one' may never have existed and certainly doesn't now. Only my view of course.
Report shrewdbury September 2, 2010 11:24 AM BST
In Nikki's case, yes a longshot but still that IMO - she couldnt even go close to winning in her year, let alone this one, so I can't see how she does it against this field.
Report A1 Bionic September 2, 2010 11:52 AM BST
Saying nikki couldnt go close to winiining in her year is a bit simplistic imo

She was very much a love-hate figure in her year

She was evicted with 37% but voted back in with 63%

After the shambles of letting someone return, after being voted out, the odds were heavily stacked against her

She seems a lot more grown up now, and aware of her shortcomings, and still as funny
Report laughing gravy September 2, 2010 12:03 PM BST
She was also up against one of the best BB winners of all time Pete Bennett. On reflection, this is pretty strong form and compares favourably with many winners who beat nothing (Brian, Cameron, Brian B, Rachel, Sophie and Josie,) so I would agree with A1 B.
Report A1 Bionic September 2, 2010 1:02 PM BST
Also glynn second and Aisleyn third were both strong hms and would have been possible winners in most other years
Report attitude adjuster September 2, 2010 1:13 PM BST
lg,you do like your thread titles [;)]

My personal fav was the one you came up for Dawn in BB7 or 8??

She obviously took great umbrage at your tip and performed a one woman demonstration in the DR to get thrown of the show [:D]


p.s you could be right about Nikki xx
Report laughing gravy September 2, 2010 1:30 PM BST
aa - I can hardly remember what I had for breakfast so I certainly can't remember Dawn from BB7/8.

Brian is clearly favourite and will probably win, but I am not so certain there is as much between Chanters and the Nikster in a positive vote. Nikki does have the 'implode factor' (although she has more licence than most in this respect because her implosions are usually funny as well) so backers are taking a risk.
But at around 25-1 on here it looks worth a few shekels as it is not impossible that Brian could get beat.
Report attitude adjuster September 2, 2010 2:11 PM BST
Redefining the Balance ...or something like that

All about BB wanting a black winner....must have been BB7,as you were clearly ahead of your time Happy
Report johnnyrant September 2, 2010 2:30 PM BST
It's a good post lg. I've been stating the same about Brian while also having him green. I've expected to read more cynicism towards him on sites like DS. Maybe it's the lack of viable alternatives. I think Chantelle could still mount a challenge but needs some more sympathy/vulnerability fuel from the whole Preston thing.
Report laughing gravy September 2, 2010 2:40 PM BST
aa - much as I would welcome being ahead of my time, the most common thing I'm told is that "there is a lot less to you than meets the eye".

Mind you, they got their black winner next year.

Smiley Face.

PS trust all is well in your world. I saw you on the politics forum a bit during the last election. Then again, as Belo said "politics is just showbiz for ugly people". Funny that he was bright enough to come out with this and yet he didn't know who Shakespeare was. Who would have thought it, eh?
Report shrewdbury September 2, 2010 4:56 PM BST
Nikki was up against Pete Bennett, but that's a bit of a red herring given that she didn't beat Ash or Glynn. People say they were strong housemates, but I'm not that convinced they were all that great shakes. Plus, surely she had ALL her fans voting for her to win the last time??
Report deejayric September 2, 2010 5:38 PM BST
Good post lg. Brian's trying too hard, and he's too self-aware now. Plus he always seems to plant himself - as the 'comedy' alternative - right in the middle of any 'event' that he knows may make the edit; this can be seen as just very good game-playing, but are the BB viewers more sussed towards this now? There certainly isn't the love there for Brian now that there was for the innocent Brian of BB2.

But then again, as you said, where's the alternative? I guess this all explains why, apart from a very small nibble at Nick Silly, I've had a big fat NO BET so far during this UBB Sad

If he's 1.3ish on finals night and up against Victor, Nikki, Chantelle and Ulrika, he's worth a lay imo.
Report deejayric September 2, 2010 5:41 PM BST
... or maybe 1.2ish Silly
Report cjhornet September 2, 2010 5:43 PM BST
I think Nikki possibly represents a bit of value, but ultimately I think brian probably will end up walking this.
Report paddletoe September 2, 2010 7:45 PM BST
A very well written and reasoned post LG.

I have to say i have been very surprised at just how funny and entertaining i have found Brian. While i think there is nothing about Brian to really dislike i agree with your thoughts he is not really loved as much as he is entertaining and very funny.
Report paddletoe September 2, 2010 7:49 PM BST
Victor will always be my favourite housemate but i dont think a lot of girls will see the same humour in him that many men do. I think he will always be too brash for many female voters.
Report attitude adjuster September 2, 2010 9:02 PM BST
lg,thanks for your words earlier up thread

been a strange summer finally taking a break from the main BB
didn't want aa junior thinking i was the strange man in the corner of the room,giggling/swearing at the laptop Happy

found the election reignited my interest in politics...one of those stand up and be counted moments
Report laughing gravy September 2, 2010 9:08 PM BST
Quite agree about the General Election. A real contest, see-saw momentum, result in doubt, four brilliant live debates (including the excellent Chancellor's debate) and 650 constituencies all priced up by bookmakers who were shooting in the dark.

Marvellous.
Report Topper Robson September 2, 2010 11:41 PM BST
Hi L.G. reading through your thoughts on this thread and as ever an interesting viewpoint re Brian. I must admit to finding not quite as unlikeable as I thought I would, that said it does appear that he, the housemates and the general public assume him to be the winner. He is also rather contrived playing his persona of 8 years ago it comes across as a bit of an act.
For these reasons I think he is opposable not at his current odds but at his odds of 11.00 pm tomorrow for now I am happy to take 7/2 on Chantelle she is still the girl next door and has the underdog status, with Preston leaving probably Tuesday she could just get the impetus she needs to pinch the prize on the line.
Good luck and best regards.
Report leveller September 3, 2010 1:55 AM BST
By: paddletoe When: 02 Sep 10 19:49
Victor will always be my favourite housemate but i dont think a lot of girls will see the same humour in him that many men do. I think he will always be too brash for many female voters.

I always liked victor!.. but then again I loved science too! Love (and Luke!), so I'm probs not the average female voter and so ignore everything I say.. Laugh
Report simper September 3, 2010 3:18 AM BST
Chantelle is the story of this BB and its now quite obviously an editorial choice made by the producers before the show began. Whether her journey can beat the best ever BB performer is open to question but Ive moved a bit of green from Brian to Chantelle in the last 48 hours. Their ability to manipulate the outcome make this a closer contest than the odds suggest.
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 8:37 AM BST
I just can't see Nikki getting anywhere the winning line lg, she was up to her tricks again last night, bitching about not being able to sleep because people were snoring. Where is her sympathy going to come from in that sort of situation, when the housemates in BB just went through 13 weeks of Steve snoring like a 747.
Even worse for her, it was shown in the final segment of the show, where it tends to leave a lasting impression on the viewers.
Report laughing gravy September 3, 2010 9:14 AM BST
Hi Pakey
I would not call what Nikki did last night as 'bit ching'. It was a Nikki rant pure and simple and I'm afraid to admit that I love watching her rant. Admittedly, Nikki needs to be given an opportunity to show another side if she is going to win (and of course, there may not be another side, but I would not have backed her if I thought there wasn't something more). Regardless, given a choice between watching Brian's attempts to permanently get camera, watching Ulrika pull faces, listening to the three witches or witness Chantelle/Preston setting up a magazine when they leave the house, I would rather watch Nikki (and tbf Victor) faults and all. She makes me smile.
I have a green book and although I may go down with the ship in respect of Nikki, I'll accept my fate as usual.
Hope all is good.
Best Regards
Report squares September 3, 2010 9:23 AM BST
I agree that Nikki's rants which we have been shown more over the past few days are just classic Nikki and will remind people why they loved (and hated) her all along.  The real problem is when she crosses the line and becomes too OTT and seems too contrived like when she returned to the house before.  I like watching her when she remains on the right side of amusing and entertaining with her ranting and face pulling.  She is one of the few females who can just about get away with this. 

Her face is like one of those soft squeezy stress balls which used to be given out as a freebie by office supply companies.

Plenty of forumites could do with some of them come to think of it.
Report laughing gravy September 3, 2010 9:40 AM BST
Hi Squares
The key word you use is 'contrived'. Nikki stands no chance if viewers think that Nikki's rants are contrived. Last night's explosion was not contrived in my view. Nikki is precious about her sleep and does get tired and irritable if she can't sleep. I know Nikki is dramatic/difficult/annoying/spoilt/irritating (delete as appropriate), but I can't help liking her and feeling protective towards her. Then again, I don't vote and I daresay Pakey's view of Nikki is more reflective of the public mood than my own warped perspective.

Horse for you to consider - Smart Endeavour (2.30 Brighton). Not a tip, but is dangerously well handicapped and has been campaigned over the wrong trip the last twice. With this stable it is all about the money and if it is bet, I would think the gelding would go close.
Report squares September 3, 2010 9:42 AM BST
or 3.00 even Grin
Report laughing gravy September 3, 2010 9:43 AM BST
Or even the 3.00.

(smiley face)
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 9:47 AM BST
If you have a green book lg, then you are a better man than me. With the favourites looking a bit untouchable at the start, I just thought I would have a couple of outsiders against them, and those have been my only bets so far. Except for having a little on Nick to go tonight, but as I am terrible at evictions, I usually write that money off as soon as it is placed.Cry

You would rather watch Nikki and Victor, and those are the two, apart from Makosi that I would least want to give airtime.
Isn't it strange how we all see things differently?

To be honest, I think I would happily see anybody win apart from Brian, as I have never liked being force fed a winner in these things.

All the best mate
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 9:52 AM BST
squares
We have a friend whose daughter is like a miniature Nikki, she is an absolute spoilt little whatsit, who always gets what she wants/demands, and makes everybody's life hell if she does not get it.
We laugh about it, but our friend would be mortified if they knew what everybody thought about her little darling.

Do you have any equine entertainment for us today?, unfortunately I missed your last one.
It's been quite profitable following the wonderful Mr Johnston this week, as he has had some very decent priced winners.
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:02 AM BST
Not yet Pakey.  I'm having a look through atm and I'm not particularly inspired.  I'll have a look at LG's suggestion shortly and wait to see if I get any messages through the morning.
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 10:21 AM BST
The new system is strange, lg's posts were not visible when I posted, and now they all appear.
No worries mate, knowing my luck, I will already have left when you post a 100/1 winner. Sad
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 10:23 AM BST
I will be watching the betting on the 2:30 later lg, if it is backed I will have an interest.
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 10:24 AM BST
Doh, the 3:00
How fick am I?
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:26 AM BST
09:49 Nikki doesn't seem best pleased with her P.A Task, as she doesn't want to sit on a desk all day and take orders!
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:27 AM BST
she doesn't know her boss is Pete !
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:28 AM BST
The housemates were awoken this morning shortly after 9.30am by an ear splitting alarm. They entered the Living Room to find an office desk...

This morning, Nikki will become a high powered personal assistant to none other then Big Brother Seven’s winner, Pete Bennett.

Mr Bennett has a very busy day today and occasionally can be very demanding. To pass her part of the shopping task, Nikki must ensure she completes all of his demands.

THE DEMANDS:

+To write a column about the Housemates and their week in the House.
+To freshly squeeze an orange juice for Mr Bennett
+To separate paper clips into colour order
+To sharpen 50 blunt pencils
+To tidy the Kitchen and Living Room
+To make teas and coffees for the House

Do you remember the last time Nikki had to write her column? Let's just say she let things get the better of her...

Nikki will be provided with a desk which she must sit at unless Pete has ordered her to complete a task that requires her to leave her work station. Nikki has 5 hours to complete her Task.

The queen of the tantrum has already termed the task 'unbearable', complained that she doesn't like sitting down all day and exclaimed that she hates taking orders, all this before she has even discovered that she will be working for Pete!

As you may well remember, Nikki and Pete were House lovers in series seven but split up soon after the show finished. It will certainly be interesting to see how she reacts and subsequently, how the duo get along...
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:28 AM BST
I know this is a Brian thread, but plenty of Nikki talk on here imo.
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 10:34 AM BST
This is a Nikki as an alternative to Brian thread, and I'm only here to ruffle some feathers. Grin
Shame this task won't be shown before the vote tonight, anything that puts nikki in the eviction frame would make me happy.

lg
I see what you mean about the gambling stable, I find that Swinburn and Osborne are the most difficult trainers to predict, and I very rarely get them right. That is the polite version of how I usually describe them[>o]
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 10:44 AM BST
Krusty Milkshake has quite a decent strike rate for Cumani so scares me a little.
Fahy not bad for his 5 pounds, and I would not be put off the big price of his first mount Masonic Lady in the 2:30, as Mr Haggas (his only representative today) does not treat his visits to Brighton lightly.
Report laughing gravy September 3, 2010 10:46 AM BST
Don't worry Squares.

She is just going through the gears. I used this phrase last night because I like it. aa first used it so: (c) aa.
Report laughing gravy September 3, 2010 10:48 AM BST
Pakey
You are right about those two trainers. However, WS in particular knows where he stands with his horses and if they are backed they are usually there or thereabouts.
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:52 AM BST
I think them pushing these tasks on Nikki is good actually.
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:56 AM BST
I would usually get to hear any stand outs from them Pakey, altho that doesn't mean she's a no hoper as they don't tend to get all that enthusiastic about the lesser quality animals/races.
Report squares September 3, 2010 10:58 AM BST
3.00 race is usually the time I would file under the "leave well alone" category. 

Bits of info I have had from WS yard in the past has been "unreliable/unfathomable" suggesting he keeps his cards very close to his chest.
Report PAKEY September 3, 2010 11:11 AM BST
Thanks squares, will have a little on the Haggas horse anyway as the first time cheekpieces and track may also help a lot. With Tadgh as back up on another who could show a bit of improvement.
Report squares September 3, 2010 12:25 PM BST
PAKEY, just had the nod through on that horse you mentioned, expected to run well so the 5/1 ew looks a decent price.

Also the 1 horse in the 1st at Lingers.
Report alfie46 September 3, 2010 3:14 PM BST
great tipping squares an pakey,unfortunately was out so not on Sadnice oneHappy
Report squares September 3, 2010 9:04 PM BST
Pakey and LG did all the work.  WD lads.
Report PAKEY September 4, 2010 9:19 AM BST
If Masonic Lady had got interested a little earlier, it could have been a nice win.
lg, well done spotting the Swinburn horse, it looked like it was a "going" day.
Thanks for the info squares, but I'd left again when you posted Sad, I will have to try and stay later during the days, or give you my mobile number.

Still can't believe my good fortune with a punt I had on another Haggas horse running at Kempton last night.
Had a nice punt at around 14/1, and a decent enough saver on Jack Mitchell's mount as he had ridden the 5:20 at Lingfield and dashed to Kempton for this one ride at 6:45. The Mitchell horse was then backed as if a defeat was out of the question.
Anyhoo, the Haggas horse doesn't come out the stalls and gives the rest about 6 lengths of a start, when they get to the final furlong and a half it is still well out the back and Jack Mitchell brings his mount through with a beautifully timed run and is going away from them to take the race, when he lost his balance and almost came out of the saddle, momentarily losing his momemtum. He regains his composure and drives towards the line again, only to be caught by one that was finishing like a steam train, the Haggas horse.
It all happened so fast it was unbelievable, I had already settled for the smaller win and was happy enough, and had dismissed the Haggas horse as it was so far out the back.
If any of you saw it, you will know what I mean, if not, try to see it if you can.

The Haggas newcomer is a few pounds better than that bare result.
Report freddyfish September 4, 2010 11:55 AM BST
he's a twonk, can't stand the guy!
Report squares September 4, 2010 1:50 PM BST
Who Confused  William Haggas Shocked

Calls so far for Picabo coming up at Thirsk in a couple of minutes, and the 2 x Mick Jarvis runners at Kempton (not sure how solid those 2 are tho as the fellow backs the yard's runners a lot).
Report PAKEY September 5, 2010 11:57 AM BST
He must mean Mitchell squares, though I think he is usually decent enough. He timed that race to perfection and it was a million to one chance that he would lose his balance like that.

squares
That is unbelievable information again mate, and even more unbelievable that I had left the house AGAIN when you posted it.
I'll get one of them right, and by the law of averages, it will probably be when you are given an unlucky loser. Laugh

N1 mate, I hope you did well out of them.
Report squares September 10, 2010 4:47 PM BST
good call on Nikki LG
Report laughing gravy September 10, 2010 5:18 PM BST
Hi Squares
It doesn't really matter to me now because I have an all green and all equal book (I like to enjoy finals night not worry about trading). However, I would rather Nikki win. In some ways she personifies and embodies the 'opportunity' that was Big Brother better than Brian who I still believe to be a bit of a show pony. I thought Nikki's diary room last night was genuine and I would love to see her face if she won. The fact that she was so accepted would be a fitting climax to a disappointing UBB.
Having said this, I suspect she still has more than a bit to do.
But I will vote for her.
Report squares September 10, 2010 5:19 PM BST
C4 poll - which HM would winning mean the most to?


Brian 26.98% (2,976 votes)
Chantelle 15.18% (1,674 votes)
Nick 10.74% (1,185 votes)
Nikki 38.84% (4,284 votes)
Preston 1.02% (112 votes)
Ulrika 2.02% (223 votes)
Victor 5.21% (575 votes)
Total Votes: 11,029
Report Henry VIII September 10, 2010 5:25 PM BST
I was going to post that Squares, but not so fvcking soon Laugh.

Do we think it's significant? It's not asking "Who will you vote for?" but I'm betting it means pretty much the same.
Report laughing gravy September 10, 2010 5:36 PM BST
Thanks Guys
I hadn't seen this, but it is interesting.

Go on Nikki.

Best Regards
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