zipifried

Yeah sorry about that A1 , anyone else want to discuss what may happen in London take note , I aint havin it

You are the ones making out some bloke is a hero cause he has no legs without even knowing anything about him or what he did. You have to understand how offensive that is to arace of people, something you simply don't. You are supporting a british terrorism in Ireland, it is you who is so bigoted and brainwashed you can't see that. I want equality for any man who faces illegal oppression and i stand by that. The various rants on here about this guy being a hero are pathetic and you would do well to look beyond your pre-set min to realise what i say is a worthy opinion and one shared by many all over the world. The British force in the north of Ireland has destroyed many lives and should not be ignored so don't try to make out your opinion is naturally right and mine is wrong, yous don't get away with that anymore, don't you get it. Take that attitude away and you get peace and no more bombings.

What's a "pre-set min"?

Is it something on a washing machine?

We don't have them in Southampton. We wash in the Solent and wave at the tourists on the Isle of Wight.

That was quite good actually Kitten. Pre- set mind as in completely washed with British propaganda that everything yous do is right and the rest of the world is wrong.

See even us British have a sense of humour.

Just for the record 98% of my 1st cousins are born and bred in England as was my father and grandfather and right down that line.

I'm probably gonna spark you off again now, but can I just point out that if you lot in Belfast were'nt bumping eachother off, there would have been no need for the army to intervene in the first place.

(Put's tin hat on awaiting the next post).

thing in belfast would have been a lot better  if all the republican's had not been on the dole and getting DLA cars so they could run around chucking  bricks and bombs.

There seems to be a lot of people who think that only recent history is relevant to today. I also assume most people know their history but this is also not so true. The British invaded Ireland many moons ago and as some will know done some unspeakable acts to the people here, not least letting 1 million die in the Famine/Holocaust, stopped the Irish from being educated, stumped all over their human and civil rites. Even in recent history in northern ireland there was no equal distribution of housing or jobs, that is all fact.
    Surely any rational human being can see that that would lead to much hatred from generation to generation and indeed the ulster plantation of Scottish unionists to the North was a deliberate act to divide the land and keep the taxes coming in. Yes they did all start to kill eachother as The Brits reflected the real problem and made it a foney religious war and told the world such things. This was never the case in reality. The people in the North know that very well and they have stopped killing each other, something yous don't understand either. Us all can get on very well and none of us deserve the stigma yous have put upon us. The army came in to sort out the mess your governments made. Steve was a victim of all this brainwashing and government propaganda, none of the government or their bank managers give a dam about what happens on street, they wouldn't even give him 30k for new legs.

Hey Mach being a republican became the only job available to many.

none of us deserve the stigma yous have put upon us

It’s your choice to have such a problem, no-one wants you to have the problem except you. The south now has a higher standard of living than the UK and I think the north compares OK with the rest of the UK now too, it certainly gets the biggest input of tax payers’ money and government jobs per head of population than any other region.

Those Romans treated the Britons, my ancestors, appallingly, then there was the Angles, then and Saxons, then the Vikings and then the bl00dy Normans. They all tortured, enslaved and oppressed my people. Bast@rds. I’m absolutely seething. Yous here just don’t understand.

There seems to be a lot of people who think that only recent history is relevant to today.

Not me sonny, as you can see from my last post.

me to i am still mad about that jesus thing
the next person i see eating italian food is getting a slap bloody romans.

Henry viii ( ) The people of NI don't want a stigma attached to them and i am sure many would say they don't feel it but i know of many who have felt that to varying degrees. From that i mean that because of the recent history of' the troubles' the reaction to most northern irish people with any passion or opinion towards anything must be that he/she is a supporter of death and destruction and revels in it. That isn't a nice stigma to have, although the English ladies do seem to love it i have to say, it does exist though as does the highest rate of mental illness cases in ireland and the UK. People who grow up in a society with guns and army men from a different country plus everybody else shooting each other or getting beat and shot in legs every day and night, people are left with mental scars , unnecessary mental scars. People need closure and no more army.

As for the Britons, Romans , jesus and all that then yes haha but you are missing one very important point. England is still England and not the united roman empire or something similar, the British government still had many troops around the streets of ireland , something that as yous have seen angered quite a few people, do you really think so many people in ireland are that crazy and violent by nature that they would go to such great lengths without having good reasons. They were right to fight and every British soldier i have talked to has told me that if the rolls were reversed that they too would be bombing and shooting the Brits. It only remains an issue because they are still there and are still illegally in Ireland.

It only remains an issue because they are still there and are still illegally in Ireland.

Just in your dreams I’m afraid zipi. Under international law, ratified by all, the UN etc, there is nothing illegal about it.

Do you think the white man should depart the USA and leave it to the red Indians etc etc etc etc? They've been there less time (except for a tiny number of settlers) than the proddies in Ulster.

William of Orange may have been wrong, I don't know, I think it's ridiculous to attach moral values to such things, it's only harming you trying to find some universal justice out of past human territorialism.

You suffered from the problems which were recent of nature, post 1968 (just after discrimination in jobs, housing and education were made illegal – just a start but things were moving in the right direction), and were mainly over control of the drugs trade and protectionism (with a political façade, taking advantage of the late 60’s cultural revolution in the west).

Only the people at the top, republican, unionist, MI5/army (who were all involved in the drugs trade) knew what it was all about, those under the top echelon, like you were no more than useful idiots, kept totally in the dark and fired up to order.

Henry viii, i completely understand what it was REALLY about, i was never in the dark about that since i was a teenager, i would say the majority of people around me knew also but chose not to believe in what they really felt and saw and like most people got on with the task of normal survival.
    Yet the reason why this all started was because people were making Steve out to be a hero and from what you have said you will understand how that is madness and very irritating as it says to me that people still generally don't have a clue. The fact you believe i don't know this is a prime example of how it is YOU who continues the stigma and discrimination and it is that why Republicans still fight. It is not that much different to anywhere else in the world regarding minorities and oppressors etc. The black man still is at war with the police in America, we could go on all day about the examples. It is northern Ireland we are talking about and Steve not being a hero though.
    Republicans have no problems with 'the proddies' , i thought you said you knew what it is really about so why say that plus when did i ever mention William of Orange? these are the standard issue nonsense you believe are what goes through mine and other people who think that the British troops should leave Ireland for good is all about? That totally contradicts from the rest of your post.

  Fired up to order? doesn't that describe the British troops during Bloody Sunday when they fired upon a crowd of civil rite protesters, that is exactly what it was. Perhaps if they didn't do that the next 30 or 40 years would not have been so bloody, how was that moving in the right direction with murdering people, the protest is what symbolized what was moving in the right direction which brings me back to the original post, Steve and what he represented over here was nothing to be proud of.

As for UN law you know fine well Ireland was backed into a corner and that ' the law' like what you described ' the troubles' to be really about, is all but a farce for the people who are getting rich off the working class mans struggle.
 
The 21st century has fast spread the word and now the average man is seeing what only the few had worked out before, how long it goes on for i don't know but as for the people in NI and the families of bloody sunday the troops should go home and the UK government should make a formal apology so the people of NI can rest safe in their houses knowing that the peace process has worked and everybody can work towards a new and fair society that will see old outdated institutions fall to the wayside and for the new generation to establish their new 21st century beliefs together without any fear. In a nutshell that means a state and government completely free of UK and Ireland and religions. The only way it will ever be at peace.... come to think of it Henry vIII it was you who really started this whole thing with your horny diick and greed of wives , could you not have just had a few affairs, was there really any need to marry them all? Look at the sh1t you caused.

oh jezus that was far too long.

oh jezus that was far too long.

But thanks for it, I like such discussions, makes an interesting diversion from the sordid subject of money or betting.

(Not really sordid , but rather one dimensional).

I completely agree to that!!! without debate too many people weigh in without really understanding the problems, resolution and compromise and a bit of craic, this is how NI is being run at the moment anyway.