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the sport is about 1 million to one to be shut down and drifting. If you think that will happen then you're absolutely kidding yourself.
That is not me defending it at all. It's a total disgrace but industries like that just do not get shut down |
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Kamikazee,
A pot is when you don't think one can win, usually a favourite, a la "I'm potting the favourite" |
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Just had a brainstorm, cane toad kills. Infinite supply of them up North.
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While that is a little disturbing, something doesn't really add up. For the most part, the animals are basically dead, and the result is the same. Eg the possum? at the start that did 26 laps and 56 minutes or so on the lure.
So surely it has nothing to do with live bait at all, just the blood? If you were to get a hold of some rabbits, after taking your ferrets and dogs out to catch them, and kill them, skin them, gut them, etc, is that a crime? Back home, they have the world rabbit skinning championships. (Don't think it is sanctioned, but a real event). I mean if all of that is legal, and the only issue is live baiting, then why not simply break the rabbits neck before putting it on the lure? Humanely killed the rabbit, legally, dog gets to chase warm blood, everybody happy? Kangaroos shot and skinned for dog food. Taking the dogs out hunting pigs. Sith, sticking the pigs in a bath of boiling water to get the hair off. Animals get killed all the time, and rabbits especially, are a pest and hunted just to kill them off. And if they aren't, we release diseases to kill them slowly from tumors/fatigue/fever. And if that doesn't work quickly enough, we send out another virus to get them. Killed off 10 million in 8 weeks when it escaped out of the testing lab. Point being, if it is the way the animals are dying, then surely just killing them just before putting them on the lure, and restricting the types of animal to maybe native pests, such as the rabbit, should be squeaky clean? Or do kids not grow up in the country like that any more? |
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BJ, there is a massive difference between killing for food (or protecting a food source) and killing for the sake of your dog winning a race. Throw in the manner in which it occurred and yes, it is a big deal. There is no defending this.
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Tab operating on over 100 dog races today, and no doubt tomorrow. I wouldn't expect an impact on turnover. A few scalps at the top, in two weeks it will be forgotten.
Dog administrators probably can't wait until the jumps season starts. |
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Lets hope this Greyhound industry issue is not investigated by the Greyhound industry
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Rhino, not for the sake of balance, but your 1st statement made you look every bit as big a psycho as the people you condemn
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BJ a pest is something that attacks our food source or hinders us in some other way. Pest control is about maintaining our quality of life. There is a stark difference between pest control and this. Obviously killing the animals before putting them on a lure would be better, but how does that help the dog race? or better than a toy rabbit? And you still have the moral quagmire of killing innocent animals for the sake of the racing industry, which is not and won't ever be public friend number 1. I also think you are more than smart enough to grasp all of this mate...
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I suppose what it really is "the trauma that the rabbits experience before death". (but that's another area)
as much as I hate to admit, Blowhard makes a point, right up to his last sentence, these dogs are now bred to run around a track to gamble on, not to hunt and kill live animals. would you believe that they used to sell live rabbits and ferrets out the front of Dog Meetings to trainers coming and going. live kills do no doubt make a dog chase harder. |
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http://www.heraldsun.com.au/entertainment/confidential/sportsbet-launches-controversial-fifty-shades-of-greyhound-parody-ad/story-fnn7ma1h-1227213720356
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a very emotive story with no good outcome for the sport of course ...
i spent a year on the periphery of the doggie game back in the 80's ... loved the dogs ... had little time for many of the trainers sadly ALL grehound trainers will now be tainted with the same brush ... and forced to forever justify and defend their innocence regardless of their own behaviour now looking deeper into to it ... and with the horses also (and additives) it seems to boil down to one thing ... the athlete/animals psychology towards winning most animals (and prob most humans too) are just social participants ... NOT elite athletes whose main desire in competition is to WIN ... to defeat its competition ... and there lies the dilemma for trainers/owners (and of course punters) how do you adjust the psychology of an animal towards winning rather than just running around with the herd many things have been tried naturally ... but if you are stuck with a 'herd participant' and NOT an elite 'i want to win' athlete then the psychology (or behaviour) of its trainer will come into play the easy way out is what many choose ... for pride maybe and definately for fiscal outcome ... and yes of course greed & easy rewards (another story) will play their part i make no comment on the 4 corners story ... it speaks for itself regardless of which side of a fence you want to sit on in regard to the footage ... (i didn't watch the tv showing .. i saw a little in the 80's enough to put me off watching such things again) there was a section in the Phar lap story if i remember ... where they had to 'teach' the horse to 'want to win' ... and employed time & effort in urging the horse the extend when gait extension was required (whilst running next to another horse) ... a jockey&trainer can spend a lot of time 'teaching' a horse such things with patience & a desire to do so ... no one can teach a greyhound that desire imo ... it either has that desire to beat the dog next to it ... or it doesn't ... if not then other methods such as shown the 4Corners show will be sought by some trainers ... and here we are again in the year 2015 looking at someone/thing's misery for someone elses gain the industry will look hard at itself ... you can bet this time ... but for how long afterwards is up to each individual |
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its all grey imo when it comes to animals and their participation in human activities.
when i look at a horse, i see a beautiful animal that man was supposed to ride (the dip in the back and just general scale. it's built for us to ride). but it is not a beautiful animal that man was supposed to abuse. is racing abuse? grey. today black chevalier didnt want ollie on board and shook him off and went for a run. then won anyway looking pretty happy. lol. is that abuse? the horse didn't want to get in the gate at first. is that abuse? or is it just a parent telling his kid to get back onto the footy field after taking a knock. which wouldn't be deemed abuse. the grey area comes where some horses and animals genuinely love what they do in conjunction with humans. those who own pets know when a pet is a willing or unwilling participant. i see guide dogs and beagles and customs dogs who genuinely enjoy what they do. the problem is too many trainers are using such barbaric techniques to make a dog more willing. i guess its cheaper to try and make an unwilling greyhound willing than it costs to get a new dog to see if it is winning inclined? but hearing that pharlap story made me think of the movie seabiscuit where the jockey gets told to let the horse eyeball the other horse just before the sprint. the trainer says something like, 'once you do that, the horse will not let the other one past.' i guess that's an extension of the gait extension that thebas talks about. thats just good training. sadly, with dogs, the mentality for some trainers is 'get them to smell blood and their genetic makeup will take care of the rest'. |