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would help with liquidity so maybe not a bad thing?
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my understanding is all aussie bookies are on 2.5% comm rate
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Do they pay the PC?
And any bookmaker worth anything at all would easily get a 50% discount inside 2 weeks anyway through normal betting activity. |
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Subject to all charges i think BJT
Discount applies to commission |
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Ok. So while looking good on paper, any knowledge of how the commission rate works, means any decent turnover gets you there anyway. Forgotten most of what I know about it, but think at any decent commission rate you are looking at about 1 point per 5 dollars.
80,000 points accrued puts you on 50%, or 400k. So if you turnover 400k in week 1 with them, then you are on that rate anyway. Any decent bankroll and willing bookmakers you can easily arb your way to a deduction rate like that over a few weeks, and they have people lining up to bet with them. Could easily run a book on course twice a week and get to that level at the very minimum. Licensed arbitrage trading. Ticket to print money. IMO |
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Do they get it only on meetings they actually field or on all meetings once the account is a registered bookmakers, seems a bit of work to go to to adjust for the specific meetings.
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On your account Punching
BJT Not sure its that easy but iam sure you would know |
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Well on 1 point per 5 bucks you are looking at:
80,000 BF points -15% per week being 12,000. 12,000 points represents $60,000 turnover per week to eventually get up to 50% deduction. As I said, you need willing bookmakers, which we don't have any more, arbing is pretty much a thing of the past. Bookmakers though, if you don't have a ledger showing 30,000 at least on each side then you are either not taking bets, or doing 1 meeting a week. Can't be much competition in the ring, surely. Although last time I went to Brisbane, I thought I would do the right thing and support the bookies. Saw this thing I liked was 26.00 on the books. I said if you give me 50/1, I will take 100 thanks. He laughed and said no way, nobody over 26 in the ring. I said, yeah but it is 150 on Betfair right now, you are taking the piss. Wasn't interested. 140+% markets, and knocking back bets like that? Can't tell me you couldn't offer 120% markets, and throw it all back on BF and make a killing. Easily make 5 figures arbing if given the opportunity, fighting for an opportunity to bet, maybe 6-10 on a good day, needing a winner to make money, getting maybe 10% on a good one, where bookmakers get 20%, and people lining up all day to bet with them. 60,000 a week? Please. |
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the licensing board will be run off their feet with new people looking to cash in on this idea
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Whats about the markets where theres no liquity 20 mins out when you put your market
I suppose i could say i cant put a market up yet iam wanting for the $$$ to kick in on betfair... everybody on track is looking at betfair ... punter and bookie |
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lol. So why are people lined up betting into such ridiculous markets?
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pretty sure there are many accounts at BF that are on 2.5% and r not subject to PC
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BJT
Can't tell me you couldn't offer 120% markets, and throw it all back on BF and make a killing. Easily make 5 figures arbing if given the opportunity, fighting for an opportunity to bet, maybe 6-10 on a good day, needing a winner to make money, getting maybe 10% on a good one, where bookmakers get 20%, and people lining up all day to bet with them. mahaha, your dreamin mate |
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Love how people are happy to try and prove you wrong by saying absolutely nothing of value.
What exactly are you disagreeing with, and for what reason? As for the 2.5% not paying PC, I am not sure that was ever bought up or disputed? The question was simply are their accounts subject to the same PC charges... But great input, keep it up. Gold star sticker imminent. IMO ![]() |
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Lesson of the day. The three terms "Block User", "Quote", and "Report" are clickable links. The "Quote" link, will quote the post you wish to quote, and format it in a way that doesn't require finding which part is actually said by which person. Is amazing the technological capabilities available to us today......
Tune in tomorrow for the next lesson; How to use the "Block User" link......... More stickers await. |
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well BJT, consider this then............................95% of bookmaker turnover in controlled by 4 bookies, none of those bookies sits on BF to create a arb or profit in market flucs. it just doesn't happen. so then only the track bookies are the ones glued to betfair to pick up pennies in market discrepancy. so at Sale gallops today I would guess there is about 5 bookies on track, who would hold about 50k between them if that. the figures u suggest just don't add up or make any sense. a single bookie could go to 6 meetings a week on track barring city meets and not even hold 60k let alone leave the tracks with that kind of profit
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BJT
15 Jan 15 00:53 Joined: 30 Oct 04 | Topic/replies: 19,840 | Blogger: BJT's blog Lesson of the day. The three terms "Block User", "Quote", and "Report" are clickable links. The "Quote" link, will quote the post you wish to quote, and format it in a way that doesn't require finding which part is actually said by which person. Is amazing the technological capabilities available to us today...... Tune in tomorrow for the next lesson; How to use the "Block User" link......... More stickers await. WTF does that mean? are u drunk |
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oh u r such a sook BJT..................u make ludicrous statements with only the thoughts in your head as proof, and then when some one broadsides you - block user
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Dont really think you understand the subject
if it was so easy why arnt there people lining up to get a license and cash in on this easy money... |
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Not even worth typing a reply
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Why not counter it with something instead of simply saying "you don't understand" and "not worth a reply"? If I am wrong, why am I wrong? Can't be that difficult can it?
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so what happens whenyou are taking bets and a horse shortens on betfair say from3.50 to 3.00 you are betting 3.30
customer ask for 1k at 3.3 ? u look at betfair its trading at 3.00 remember you Must take the bet... most the horse people are backing on track are the horses that are going off on betfair |
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Why would you be offering 3.30 if it was 3.50 and shortening on Betfair?
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Im not sure if this clowns serious or taking the piss.
But the premium charge gets charged at the full rate to the bookmakers or they get 50% off it as well? |
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Pw
Would be no change To any PC charges |
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Seriously though. If your whole premise of bookmaking is to trade off on Betfair, your question is the same as "what happens if BF is trading at 3.00 and you put up 6.00 about a horse, what do you do then?"... You give up the game. Seriously.
What you are basically suggesting (from what I can tell), is that the people on track, are likely to be only betting on the horses that are shorter on Betfair, ie value betting or arbing. Now who are these people and how are they getting better information than you? You are licensed to have computers, with real time information, and a guy with a mobile phone or a tablet is better at reading the market than you are? You are monitoring Betfair prices, and your own prices, with the help of an internet connection and computer. They are monitoring 5+ bookmakers prices, and Betfair prices, with a mobile phone, and a wallet full of cash and somehow juggling these things walking around a ring ready to jump on a bet. You are sitting there with a program setting prices based on 15%+ less than BF, updating say every 30 seconds, and a guy with a mobile phone is able to arb against you? This is the same argument that shows the state of boomkaking at the moment, where the biggest bookmakers in the world are accountants, and wouldn't know how to run a book, hence why they are so scared of a guy sitting at home on his computer with 10 grand in his bank. Rather than be a bookmaker, they simply ban anybody that analyses the market better than them. People are running bots right now, where they are trading the market, based on WAP, LTP, % drift in certain time frame, where they can take a price available, or put an offer in, 1%, 5%, 10%, 2 ticks, 5 ticks, 10 ticks, etc etc etc etc etc. And you are telling me you couldn't have a program where all it did was took the price and took 15% off that price, and did that for every runner in the race and set a market based on that? Really? You know what though, I have been that guy. The guy on the phone, walking around the ring on my mobile to my father at home with BF running. I got 1 bet on for the day, at 5.50, traded it off at 3.80. Horse won by 3 lengths. Stupid part about it, is the bookmaker offering the odds was one that openly had the Betfair market in front of them showing them how out of whack their pricing was. Half the battle of trading, arbing, bookmaking, is speed of information. If you are telling me that the bookmakers getting around now, have all that advantage, and they still can't compete with a guy with a phone in one hand and a wallet in the other, then all I am hearing is that it would be much much easier than I first thought. |
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The only difference with arbing here, is that instead of looking for a bookmaker that will take a bet, and waiting for that bookmaker to get a price wrong, you are standing up with a bag over your shoulder and people are coming up to you offering you the chance to do it.
the whole point u condescending little t!urd, THERE ARE NO PEOPLE OR MONEY ON TRACK COMING UP TO YOU AND A CHANCE TO DO IT. |
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Your first sentence makes perfect sense. Then your second sentence you go off track? Hmm
I believe you said you would easily take 60,000 a week in country meetings? logroller • January 15, 2015 1:09 AM GMT well BJT, consider this then............................95% of bookmaker turnover in controlled by 4 bookies, none of those bookies sits on BF to create a arb or profit in market flucs. it just doesn't happen. so then only the track bookies are the ones glued to betfair to pick up pennies in market discrepancy. so at Sale gallops today I would guess there is about 5 bookies on track, who would hold about 50k between them if that. the figures u suggest just don't add up or make any sense. a single bookie could go to 6 meetings a week on track barring city meets and not even hold 60k let alone leave the tracks with that kind of profit See what I did there? I didn't even use the quote button, and still managed to quote you and make it obvious what the quoted section from you was..... Summer school for you. |
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BJT
14 Jan 15 06:19 Joined: 30 Oct 04 | Topic/replies: 19,853 | Blogger: BJT's blog Ok. So while looking good on paper, any knowledge of how the commission rate works, means any decent turnover gets you there anyway. Forgotten most of what I know about it, but think at any decent commission rate you are looking at about 1 point per 5 dollars. 80,000 points accrued puts you on 50%, or 400k. So if you turnover 400k in week 1 with them, then you are on that rate anyway. Any decent bankroll and willing bookmakers you can easily arb your way to a deduction rate like that over a few weeks, and they have people lining up to bet with them. Could easily run a book on course twice a week and get to that level at the very minimum. Licensed arbitrage trading. Ticket to print money. IMO just saying that this whole statement of yours just cant be done. |
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your a f!ckwit mate, and u cant be told
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Nice argument you have there. Did you not say that 5 bookmakers would take 50k in a day at Sale, and 6 days around 60,000 each?
Did you not say that? |
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Without city meetings.
Did you not say that? |
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BJT is right on the money with this imo
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You'd need to be pretty thrifty to make 6 figures, but this type of 'fielding' is rife.
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