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LNP lead is massive so they should win BUT Newman looks almost certain to lose his seat - who will become Premier???
should be a fascinating contest
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No, it can't possibly be then Womble.
Mr Newman told us that the Redcliffe by election couldn't be held in late Jan or early Feb because everyone would've been in holiday mode still. Surely not another Newman lie??? We know Thebas will be voting Labor...........he doesn't like liars  |
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classic whoopi ... you are an ostrich old chum ... if ever i have heard one ... thinking that labor never lie
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Is Palmer part of it? Will vote for him. I don't like any of them, but at least if he got in somewhere he would spend Queenslands money on the Sunshine Coast. Could use all the help we can get with house prices.
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reckon Abbott will go up and help Shambles campaign
still its skool hols,no one will care or listen,probly why can-do called it |
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I know very little re politics...the 2 things that highlight my thoughts are:
1. Previous labour party total lack of respect for money or its value ( to the very extreme and beyond). 2. Current governments clean up of out-law bikie gangs believing they were above the law.... No doubt more to it than that ....but point 1 just plain foooools and point 2 took a lot of initiative. Point 2 catalyst was that all in bikie brawl (20 plus or so bikies) in a location (Broadbeach) where either of my 2 daughters could have easily been sitting or nearby,,,wtf (goodness knows what injury a stray bullet or even just a thrown chair could have done) That type of initiative shown gets my vote ....it has made a real difference to the safety of many residents in Queensland (I think of my family safety....and therefore the importance of the safety of the families of others) Economic rhetoric from both sides is just sales pitches for votes and would not move me one way or the other.... |
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Palmer's mob are running BJ - their call for candidates don't close until Friday though so not sure how ready they'll be to be roll. Smart in that regards by Newman, catches some of the smaller parties on the hop
Dumb in regards the whole pissing off holidaying voters thing Whoopi pointed out above though Henry - money matters but people matter more. The anti bikie laws go too far - what happened to innocent until found guilty? The laws are guilt by association - disgraceful, yes go after the criminals but don't treat everyone like they are one Come on Labor  |
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Henry - money matters but people matter more
Agreed....safety of the people.... That type of initiative shown gets my vote ....it has made a real difference to the safety of many residents in Queensland (I think of my family safety....and therefore the importance of the safety of the families of others) Economic rhetoric from both sides is just sales pitches for votes and would not move me one way or the other.... ______________________________________________ The most recent Galaxy poll, first published by The Australian, showed while the LNP and Labor were virtually neck and neck in the preference stakes, support for the anti-association laws had grown from 48 per cent early last year to 60 per cent in November. the Labor opposition, under Annastacia Palaszczuk, wants to undo these laws, wants to take us back to the old days of criminal gangs riding roughshod over the rest of the community........ |
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STOP THE BIKES has worked on henry..
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Yes..cause I live on the GC...know what it was like before the laws and after the laws...the laws have made it feel way way safer...
you just cant have any association or group of people acting above some serious criminal laws (guns / intimidation/assault/drug trafficking) or without proper respect to them..... just sayin!! |
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thanks campbell, they've all got comfort and shelter down here now
 .... suddenly st albans made around 50 new community minded neighbours. |
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My point, would be why not punish them for their actual crimes, instead of creating new ones to punish them for. They did more time for meeting in a pub, than they did for trafficking drugs holding semi automatic pistols ffs.
I assume it is to prevent conspiring or possibility to conspire to commit a future crime.....yes tough laws against those who have no respect for the law..... I should read the actual relevant legislation parts instead of the fairy floss commentary... |
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No, it is both easier to bring in a new tougher law out of whack with others than to change existing punishments, and of course it can be applied to keep tighter restrictions on the general public.
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Al Capone spent 7 years in jail for tax evasion. More than one way to skin a cat. Good on Qld for getting tough on thugs. If the Yandina 5 didn't want to be treated unfairly, perhaps they shouldn't have traded in violence, drug trafficking and semi automatic weapons. Punishing them for the actual crimes can be tricky BJ, this is much easier.
People want 100% safety, and 100% liberty at the same time. Not gonna happen, pipe dream to think it can. Choices are simple, get tough or don't get tough and it appeared time to get tough. If Labor introduced the laws Edward and Womble would call them visionary methinks. |
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1% of crimes committed in qld are by bikies..but yeah was time to act..the Lieberal fear factory hard at work spreading misinformation..
fearmongering at its finest.. imo |
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saw this on a forum from a young lib..
Queenslanders,answer this: Are you on charges for paedophilia? Islamic extremist? Then Labor wants your vote! Soft on crime! Dear Queensland, want bikies running amok in your community? Labor wants your vote fmd is it a joke you reckon..young lib person pls |
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I would think bikies comprise of a hell of a lot less than 1% of the population though Edward, so 1% is a MASSIVE number. GARGANTUAN actually. It appears that to prove your point you have set about to disprove it...
I think the nature of the crimes themselves have a fair bit to do with it as well. |
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Because BJ, everyone was to scared to testify against him and he had the Chicago police and politicians/judges on his payroll. Would you have testified against Big Al in 1920's Chicago? They saw a weakness to be exploited and attacked it. More than one way to skin a cat...
The rest of your post comes down to the safety v liberty conundrum. You can't have 100% on either at any one point, and particularly at the same time. A choice had to be made, they made their choice. Kind of answered your own problem though as well - if you are doing nothing wrong... As a law abiding citizen - feck the bikies. Slightly concerned to find myself agreeing with Henry  |
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Groomomg!!
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Grooming..
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There were witnesses against him BJ in the tax evasion case. An IRS delegate testified, and one of his accountants testified. Most criminal cases that I know of numerous witnesses will testify against a defendant. Not sure where you got that from.
But yes, he was a naturally occurring human reaction to a ridiculous law. In creating prohibition, they created Capone, and should have had the foresight to see it would happen. |
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Back to the bikies. There are an estimated 1000 members of SAMCRO in Queensland, where there is 4.6 million people. 0.0002% of the population belong to outlaw clubs, and those 0.0002% are making up of 1% of crime (crime is an all-encompassing word as well, their highlight package is a fair way above par). Is that not a major problem? Worthy of major intervention?
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In all fairness, based on those numbers, you would be looking at .02%, not .0002%. In regards to Capone, I would have thought it a better score to lock up the police/politicians/lawyers/judges, who were on his bankroll, than to get him tax evasion. But maybe that is just me.
Either way, the % of bikies, in relation to the % of crime, is huge. And also take into account, the fact that through intimidation tactics, a whole lot of crime against them would not even get reported. |
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But then, look at .02% of the population of QLD being bikies. What percentage, of say the Gold Coast, have tattoos. Not just tattoos, but heavily tattooed. I would think close to 50%, but will go for 10% just to be safe with a visual tattoo. Every one of them, has the right to be detained and searched by police on the assumption, until they prove otherwise, that they are a member of a bikie club.
If the state is seriously not smart enough to keep record of 1,000 people, considering they hire probably half that number to do so, and simply check ID cards, then maybe they really are fighting a losing fight. Why do they need the ability to search everybody, because they can't keep track of 1,000 people? That is 2 people per cop. Yet they have the right to search EVERYBODY on the assumption they are on that apparant non existant list? I am all for safety, but have no interest in giving up our rights and freedoms to do so when the only reason they are chasing these people is from crimes ALREADY COMMITTED. FFS. |
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it's the bikies now, who is next?
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You are right womble. Their respect for the former laws was obviously adequate enough to ensure they respected the public and police. No need for any changes, it's not like they were laying siege to police stations or anything.
Hang on a minute  |
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You are right womble. Their respect for the former laws was obviously adequate enough to ensure they respected the public and police. No need for any changes, it's not like they were laying siege to police stations or anything.
Hang on a minute Plain Henry..is that you.....!! (Well said Therhino) |
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it's pretty typical of the right, they love fear a scared population is easier to manipulate
after everything that happened in Paris yesterday we get #imwithstupid in Queensland although I'm sure there is a bit more too it than just wearing the t-shirt, still a terrible look though |
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A Guy Got Arrested by 10 Cops for Wearing an ‘I’m With Stupid’ T-shirt
A man from Queensland, Australia, was arrested Thursday by a group of 10 police officers for wearing an “I’m With Stupid” T-shirt while he stood and waved next to campaigners from the state’s Liberal National Party (LNP). Iain Fogerty, was charged with public nuisance, the Courier Mail reports. Campaign teams for the Australian Labor Party and the LNP had set up opposing rallies on either side of the road in a central part of the Queensland capital, Brisbane, when Fogerty began standing next to the LNP crowd in his T-shirt. gotta love qld... its not just the bikies..but people wearing Ts.. you just gotta lel.....and lel.... |
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i'm almost sacred to go up there
 Newspoll and Galaxy overnight both with the LNP in front - I do think Labor will lose but it'll be close - i.e. less than 10 seats |
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Labor's biggest problem is that after the last election they only had 7 people to choose from as leader. Anastasia just hasn't got the gift of the gab.
If they were smart they would have appointed Kate Jones as leader in the same manner as the LNP did with Adolf Newman before the last election. Labor will lose, but we'll have a new Premier. |
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I don't believe in voting for somebody unless you actually want them. I haven't voted since I was about 18 and I voted for the Beer Party. Until then, there hasn't been anybody I wanted to vote for, and I don't believe in voting against people and ending with the least unwanted. Probably seen about 8 houses since I was last registered to vote.
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people die for the right to vote BJ and you just ignore it
not that you should have to vote, you don't - but I do think you should turn up on polling day and think about it at least Whoopi - I haven't seen much of her until this week and will admit she doesn't do it for me. Like you said they didn't have much to choose from though so either had to go outside or hope they get someone in this time around that can win it next I'll be happy if Labor get within 10 seats and Newman loses |
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I've never been to Queensland and never will.
I've always had the impression that the place is full of bogans, cowboys, corrupt police and cane toads. It seems that the place has reverted to Bjelkeism under this Newman bastard. Getting arrested for wearing a t-shirt, FFS. Have they still got apartheid ? |
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ffs phil no apartheid ... but they had that dreadful Peter Beattie for a sad period of time until he dumped ALL HIS GARBAGE on poor anna bligh ... telling the world that he owed more time to his family and bye to politics then lol and fkn behold ... pete turned up at a federal election trying to get his snout into a trough again  qld'ers have long memories ... hopefully |