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not good at all 8ball....
cant see how all will get out unharmed?
all the leftys were accusing the PM of a beat up the other month with the terrorism raids...give yourselves an upper cut
watching channel 10 coverage as the delicious KK
is on the panel
cant see how all will get out unharmed?
all the leftys were accusing the PM of a beat up the other month with the terrorism raids...give yourselves an upper cut
watching channel 10 coverage as the delicious KK
is on the panel
change over your ABC coverage and see
Kris Kringle is all high up my list tho
Kris Kringle is all high up my list tho
Dec 15, 2014 -- 2:24AM, secong coming. wrote:
not good at all 8ball....cant see how all will get out unharmed?all the leftys were accusing the PM of a beat up the other month with the terrorism raids...give yourselves an upper cutwatching channel 10 coverage as the delicious KK is on the panel
Jumping the gun a bit. This guy, hardly a coordinated terrorist attack, could have any motivation. Anything to do with islam is an easy target, and a hell of a way to go out making a name for yourself. Also can't really rule out political motivation.
Been going 5 hours now, and he doesn't appear to have done anything.
Also can't rule out that terrorist raids and us invading other peoples countries was the motivation.
The Daily Telegraph:
IS takes 13 hostages in city cafe siege:
DEATH CULT CBD ATTACK.
Real terrorists are out in force today, nothing surer.
IS takes 13 hostages in city cafe siege:
DEATH CULT CBD ATTACK.
Real terrorists are out in force today, nothing surer.
one imbecile and the whole country sh1ts it's pants.
I have faith in the NSW police to give him his early introduction to allah.
I have faith in the NSW police to give him his early introduction to allah.
Bill Shorten is praying to God, so all will be ok. His god is stronger apparantly. Fcuking morons.
I can think of worse places to be held hostage than a chocolate café
Prepare yourselves for a new round of legislation installing a government spy camera in every house.......but it will only record the metadata of your activities.
NSW Police Commissioner, Andrew Scipione, says contact has not yet been made with the armed offender holding people hostage at a cafe in Sydney's CBD.
It's believed up to a dozen people could be being held at the Lindt Chocolat cafe in Martin Place, but NSW police say they still don't know how many people are being held inside.
"We can confirm that there is an armed offender holding an unknown number of people hostage," Mr Scipione said.
"We are working as hard as we can to determine the exact number (of hostages).
"We are continuing to secure and make sure we are doing all we can to bring this to a peaceful outcome."
Police have moved to a "footing" similar to dealing with a terrorist attack, he said.
"We have not yet confirmed if this is a terrorism-related event," Mr Scipione said.
"We are dealing with a hostage situation with an armed offender."
Mr Scipione said there wasn't a connection between the siege and a counter-terror raid in Sydney, earlier this morning.
It's believed up to a dozen people could be being held at the Lindt Chocolat cafe in Martin Place, but NSW police say they still don't know how many people are being held inside.
"We can confirm that there is an armed offender holding an unknown number of people hostage," Mr Scipione said.
"We are working as hard as we can to determine the exact number (of hostages).
"We are continuing to secure and make sure we are doing all we can to bring this to a peaceful outcome."
Police have moved to a "footing" similar to dealing with a terrorist attack, he said.
"We have not yet confirmed if this is a terrorism-related event," Mr Scipione said.
"We are dealing with a hostage situation with an armed offender."
Mr Scipione said there wasn't a connection between the siege and a counter-terror raid in Sydney, earlier this morning.
Congrats to the media on their sterling effort to get people killed.
Asking the cops to reveal operational matters, showing vision of what's going on outside.
Do you think the imbecile might have access to a telly fellas?
Asking the cops to reveal operational matters, showing vision of what's going on outside.
Do you think the imbecile might have access to a telly fellas?
Extreme measure of protesting against expensive chocolate prices 
Sky News reporting he wants an ISIL flag in exchange for a hostage and a conversation with Abbott.
You can't give him a fkn ISIL flag. And please put Bishop on the phone and not Tony. Hostages escaped, were not freed.
You can't give him a fkn ISIL flag. And please put Bishop on the phone and not Tony. Hostages escaped, were not freed.
They bumped Bold and the beautiful because of this.....now that's terrorism gone too far.
Just put a Tony impersonator on the line.....it's not like the criminal mastermind who forgot to take his own flag would notice the difference
Where would they actually get a flag from? Does ISIL have a merchandise store on Pitt St or something?
Get an All Blacks flag, have a few sea gulls sh1t on it. Problem solved.
Woopi/therhino/trotlover 
Hope its not politically incorrect to find these comments funny
Hope its not politically incorrect to find these comments funny
http://www.couriermail.com.au/questnews/city/pm-impersonator-oliver-dickson-...
And there you go. Nothing to do with religion. The guy was pissed that his appeal against 300 community hours was denied on friday.
This article sums it up.....
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/martin-place-cafe-siege-overreaction-from-fear-is-a-measure-of-a-terrorists-success-20141215-127rih.html
http://www.smh.com.au/comment/martin-place-cafe-siege-overreaction-from-fear-is-a-measure-of-a-terrorists-success-20141215-127rih.html
If only our politicians were as calm and measured as the Police.
Great job by the NSW Police. How many of us would walk into gunfire?
Great job by the NSW Police. How many of us would walk into gunfire?
Two people died, along with an Islamist gunman, after commandos stormed a cafe in Sydney, Australia, to bring to an end a 16-hour siege.
The gunman, identified as an Iranian refugee, had taken dozens of hostages.
Four people were injured, including a policeman hit by shotgun pellets.
Central Sydney was put in lockdown when the gunman seized the hostages early on Monday, forcing some of them to hold up a black Islamic banner at the window of the Lindt cafe.
The Lindt Chocolat Cafe is located in Martin Place, a busy shopping area in Sydney's financial district.
The gunman was named as Man Haron Monis. He received political asylum in Australia in 1996 and was on bail facing a number of charges.
Monis when he was charged last year with being accessory to the murder of ex-wife Noleen Hayson Pal, described the self-declared sheik as a "damaged-goods individual"
Late last year he was charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife and mother of two.
More recently he was charged with a raft of offences in relation to indecent and sexual assault while operating as a self-proclaimed "spiritual healer" in Sydney's west more than a decade ago.
In October Monis, who most recently had been living at Bexley North in Sydney's south, was charged with an extra 40 sexual offences relating to his work as a spiritual healer.
He was on bail at the time of the siege and due to appear in court over indecent and sexual assault charges in February 2015.
The gunman, identified as an Iranian refugee, had taken dozens of hostages.
Four people were injured, including a policeman hit by shotgun pellets.
Central Sydney was put in lockdown when the gunman seized the hostages early on Monday, forcing some of them to hold up a black Islamic banner at the window of the Lindt cafe.
The Lindt Chocolat Cafe is located in Martin Place, a busy shopping area in Sydney's financial district.
The gunman was named as Man Haron Monis. He received political asylum in Australia in 1996 and was on bail facing a number of charges.
Monis when he was charged last year with being accessory to the murder of ex-wife Noleen Hayson Pal, described the self-declared sheik as a "damaged-goods individual"
Late last year he was charged with being an accessory to the murder of his ex-wife and mother of two.
More recently he was charged with a raft of offences in relation to indecent and sexual assault while operating as a self-proclaimed "spiritual healer" in Sydney's west more than a decade ago.
In October Monis, who most recently had been living at Bexley North in Sydney's south, was charged with an extra 40 sexual offences relating to his work as a spiritual healer.
He was on bail at the time of the siege and due to appear in court over indecent and sexual assault charges in February 2015.
Until his entry into the global media spotlight as the shadowy figure at the centre of the Sydney siege, Man Haron Monis had long been viewed as a fringe figure in Sydney’s Islamic community, his self-radicalisation rooted in grievances against the Australian government and increasing marginalisation among his peers.
The self-proclaimed spiritual healer had achieved a degree of notoriety as the author of “grossly offensive” letters sent to taunt parents and relatives of Australians killed by extremism in Indonesia as well as troops who lost their lives in Afghanistan between 2007 and 2009.
Well known to the Australian police, he had been consumed by his conviction for the offence, unsuccessfully challenging the conviction in the high court last year and making several vehement and erratic public statements claiming to be innocent.
Monis lost another bid to have the matter heard before the high court on Friday.
He also faced numerous charges relating to his time working as a “spiritual healer” – including 22 counts of aggravated sexual assault and 14 counts of aggravated indecent assault – and had been bailed for allegedly being an accessory to the killing of his former wife.
When Monis, who was also known as Mohammad Hassan Manteghi, appeared in court in October over the sex assault allegations, police charged him with 40 additional offences. It was alleged that he had advised a 27-year-old woman to visit him at his business in Wentworthville in 2002 after she contacted him through a “Spiritual Consultation” ad in a community newspaper.
He was charged last year with being an accessory to the murder of his 30-year-old former wife Noleen Hayson Pal, a mother-of-two who was allegedly stabbed to death and set alight in April 2013.
Iranian-born, Monis sought asylum in Australia in 1996, telling ABC News in 2001 he fled after falling foul of the Iranian regime, which he said had placed his wife and children under house arrest. “I can say they are hostage,” he said at the time, having reportedly given himself the title Sheikh Haron.
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As recently as last week on a website he used both to defend and promote himself, he announced that he had converted from Shia to Sunni Islam and pledged his allegiance to the caliphate declared by the militant group Islamic State. That website was shut down as Monday’s siege developed, and police asked media outlets to refrain from giving him a platform as he held 17 hostages in the Lindt cafe in Martin Place.
Sydney Shia leaders had apparently urged federal police to probe his claim to be a leading cleric, while he was ignored by the Sunni community. He had no links to the Islamic State terrorist group, and despite his criminal past was not seen as a likely exponent of the group’s ideology.
One upshot, some would argue, is that he fits bill of a classic lone wolf – a profile that had been much feared by security officials. Monis is believed to have been a self-starter, who had attached himself to the virulent worldview of Isis. His self-radicalisation appeared to be rooted in grievances against the government and fueled by his increasing marginalisation.
Earlier this month, Monis had posted on his website that Shia muslims were rejectionists – a key message of extremist Sunnis in the Middle East.
But there were other hints on the web post that Monis had become radicalised: a rambling October letter he penned to the Muslim community rejected the “new religion” of moderate Islam. ‘This pen is my gun and these words are my bullets, I fight by these weapons against oppression to promote peace,’ he wrote.
An image on the website appears to show Monis wearing the same headband that photographs suggest he donned during the Martin Place siege, reading: “We are ready to sacrifice for you, O Muhammad.”
Shortly after Tony Abbott’s government was elected in September last year, Monis sent the prime minister a letter inviting him to a live debate in which he said he would prove that “Australia and Australians will be attacked” as a result of the country’s participation in the war in Afghanistan.
Manny Conditsis, a lawyer who represented Monis at one point, has decribed his former client as an isolated figure who might have felt that he had nothing to lose, “hence participating in something as desperate and outrageous as this”.
“His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness,” Conditsis told ABC news.
hmm no religious huh? and no connection to ISIL/S ?? he may not have been a card carrying member, but was happy to go along with the call from these grubs to be a lone wolf.
AFP have every right to act upon any threat to our security...be it through phone conversations , emails or whatever
Again those that couldn't help themselves accusing the PM of staging it all....I cant say those words here
Australia in mourning again
RIP to the hostages and condolences to all families and friends
The self-proclaimed spiritual healer had achieved a degree of notoriety as the author of “grossly offensive” letters sent to taunt parents and relatives of Australians killed by extremism in Indonesia as well as troops who lost their lives in Afghanistan between 2007 and 2009.
Well known to the Australian police, he had been consumed by his conviction for the offence, unsuccessfully challenging the conviction in the high court last year and making several vehement and erratic public statements claiming to be innocent.
Monis lost another bid to have the matter heard before the high court on Friday.
He also faced numerous charges relating to his time working as a “spiritual healer” – including 22 counts of aggravated sexual assault and 14 counts of aggravated indecent assault – and had been bailed for allegedly being an accessory to the killing of his former wife.
When Monis, who was also known as Mohammad Hassan Manteghi, appeared in court in October over the sex assault allegations, police charged him with 40 additional offences. It was alleged that he had advised a 27-year-old woman to visit him at his business in Wentworthville in 2002 after she contacted him through a “Spiritual Consultation” ad in a community newspaper.
He was charged last year with being an accessory to the murder of his 30-year-old former wife Noleen Hayson Pal, a mother-of-two who was allegedly stabbed to death and set alight in April 2013.
Iranian-born, Monis sought asylum in Australia in 1996, telling ABC News in 2001 he fled after falling foul of the Iranian regime, which he said had placed his wife and children under house arrest. “I can say they are hostage,” he said at the time, having reportedly given himself the title Sheikh Haron.
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As recently as last week on a website he used both to defend and promote himself, he announced that he had converted from Shia to Sunni Islam and pledged his allegiance to the caliphate declared by the militant group Islamic State. That website was shut down as Monday’s siege developed, and police asked media outlets to refrain from giving him a platform as he held 17 hostages in the Lindt cafe in Martin Place.
Sydney Shia leaders had apparently urged federal police to probe his claim to be a leading cleric, while he was ignored by the Sunni community. He had no links to the Islamic State terrorist group, and despite his criminal past was not seen as a likely exponent of the group’s ideology.
One upshot, some would argue, is that he fits bill of a classic lone wolf – a profile that had been much feared by security officials. Monis is believed to have been a self-starter, who had attached himself to the virulent worldview of Isis. His self-radicalisation appeared to be rooted in grievances against the government and fueled by his increasing marginalisation.
Earlier this month, Monis had posted on his website that Shia muslims were rejectionists – a key message of extremist Sunnis in the Middle East.
But there were other hints on the web post that Monis had become radicalised: a rambling October letter he penned to the Muslim community rejected the “new religion” of moderate Islam. ‘This pen is my gun and these words are my bullets, I fight by these weapons against oppression to promote peace,’ he wrote.
An image on the website appears to show Monis wearing the same headband that photographs suggest he donned during the Martin Place siege, reading: “We are ready to sacrifice for you, O Muhammad.”
Shortly after Tony Abbott’s government was elected in September last year, Monis sent the prime minister a letter inviting him to a live debate in which he said he would prove that “Australia and Australians will be attacked” as a result of the country’s participation in the war in Afghanistan.
Manny Conditsis, a lawyer who represented Monis at one point, has decribed his former client as an isolated figure who might have felt that he had nothing to lose, “hence participating in something as desperate and outrageous as this”.
“His ideology is just so strong and so powerful that it clouds his vision for common sense and objectiveness,” Conditsis told ABC news.
hmm no religious huh? and no connection to ISIL/S ?? he may not have been a card carrying member, but was happy to go along with the call from these grubs to be a lone wolf.
AFP have every right to act upon any threat to our security...be it through phone conversations , emails or whatever
Again those that couldn't help themselves accusing the PM of staging it all....I cant say those words here
Australia in mourning again
RIP to the hostages and condolences to all families and friends
source
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/15/man-haron-monis-sydney...
http://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2014/dec/15/man-haron-monis-sydney...
awful and events and my heart goes out to the hostages that were killed and injured along with their families and friends
plenty will be said about what went right and wrong yesterday - the police did a wonderful job on the day, questions will rightly be asked about the role of parts of the media and why a nutter like that was out on bail
most heartwarming thing to come out of yesterday was #illridewithyou - Australia at it's best imo
plenty will be said about what went right and wrong yesterday - the police did a wonderful job on the day, questions will rightly be asked about the role of parts of the media and why a nutter like that was out on bail
most heartwarming thing to come out of yesterday was #illridewithyou - Australia at it's best imo
extremists, of every creed, are a massive problem that need to be addressed
No different to wearing a Hulkamania headband.
He wasn't a terrorist.....just a fckwit.
He wasn't a terrorist.....just a fckwit.
He wasn't a terrorist.....just a fckwit.
Agreed Woopi
Agreed Woopi
Dec 15, 2014 -- 9:28PM, secong coming. wrote:
and if not religious why display the flag?
He wasn't a member of ISIS. Or he would have had the flag ffs. He wanted the spotlight to be on him, hence all of his television appearances, and his willingness to stand at the window opposite the channel 7 network.
Yes, he was religious, but this was a man, a sexual murderous predator, who loves the spotlight, using the guise of ISIS to gain as much worldwide attention as possible.
Did the barrister who opposed him on Friday not work on one of the upper levels of the building? (lot of sketchy details, obviously don't know a lot to be true or not), but if this was an ISIS attack, there would have been people dead inside 5 minutes, and there really would have been bombs.
The media and politicians are the main culprits in turning this into a religious issue as anybody. The number of times I have heard them refer to Jesus/God, and how everybody should pray. Now I am sitting here listening to some dick in a stupid hat, holding a stupid swan looking stick, at St Marys Cathedral on the 7 news.
The man was known to protest Australias involvement in Afghanistan, and was religious, and our involvement of course will create a lot of motives for a lot of people for us invading other peoples countries to take their siht.
But the timeline here, suggests using religion as a guise for him being pissed off that our court system doesn't buy into his bullsiht, except of course allowing him to kill his wife, 50 or so sexual assault convictions, and still walk the streets. We have shown him we are weak and he can do what he wants without consequences. He thought he was above the law, and to a large extent we allowed him to be.
Again those that couldn't help themselves accusing the PM of staging it all....I cant say those words here
Who said anything like that?
Who said anything like that?
organizing the terrorism raids of a few months ago...without any basis...its in the brain dead politic thread that I jumped out of
and if not religious why display the flag?
He wasn't a member of ISIS. Or he would have had the flag ffs. - no relation in my statement to yours here
he may not have been a card carrying member, but was happy to go along with the call from these grubs to be a lone wolf.
of course he used isis as a front to further his own cause , so much so he even used some of their tactics (lone wolf) - comprende?
and if not religious why display the flag?
He wasn't a member of ISIS. Or he would have had the flag ffs. - no relation in my statement to yours here
he may not have been a card carrying member, but was happy to go along with the call from these grubs to be a lone wolf.
of course he used isis as a front to further his own cause , so much so he even used some of their tactics (lone wolf) - comprende?
Bjt with all due respect mate you need to stop making excuses for the extremist and so called moderate elements within their religion.
Why is it that in this country, our country not theirs, that we are the ones who have to bend over backwards to accommodate people who refuse to assimilate properly into a modern society who supposedly came here to get away from all the craap in their own countries yet if we go to their countries we have to strictly adhere to their customs and rules.
There are good and bad people in every race, creed and or religion but most are more flexible than some of these nutters and even some of the so called moderates.
Why is that wherever in the world they go certain elements within them cause problems, that is an indisputable fact.
Come to our country by all means but park your religious and ethnic hatred bullshit at the door the pendulum has swung far too much their way and needs to swing back in our favour, this is our country, it's still a modern christian country with christian based ideals, customs and laws and if you don't like our ideals, customs and our laws then piss off.
More than ever I despise organised religion of any denomination, the farkwits all essentially believe in the same damn thing, I am sick of this my god is better than your god craap, religious fanatics of all persuasions and fundamentalist christians as every bit as bad as radical muslims are responsible for more death, destruction, misery, famine, you name something horrible caused by man that is inflicted upon innocents and they're more than likely responsible for it and 9one of them will be happy i until they bring the whole world down in bloody great screaming heap.
If your first, second and third allegiances aren't to this country and our modern customs, ideals and laws then fark off back to wherever you came from and see how you go back there but don't turn our country into the sort of backward shiithole that you came from.
Why is it that in this country, our country not theirs, that we are the ones who have to bend over backwards to accommodate people who refuse to assimilate properly into a modern society who supposedly came here to get away from all the craap in their own countries yet if we go to their countries we have to strictly adhere to their customs and rules.
There are good and bad people in every race, creed and or religion but most are more flexible than some of these nutters and even some of the so called moderates.
Why is that wherever in the world they go certain elements within them cause problems, that is an indisputable fact.
Come to our country by all means but park your religious and ethnic hatred bullshit at the door the pendulum has swung far too much their way and needs to swing back in our favour, this is our country, it's still a modern christian country with christian based ideals, customs and laws and if you don't like our ideals, customs and our laws then piss off.
More than ever I despise organised religion of any denomination, the farkwits all essentially believe in the same damn thing, I am sick of this my god is better than your god craap, religious fanatics of all persuasions and fundamentalist christians as every bit as bad as radical muslims are responsible for more death, destruction, misery, famine, you name something horrible caused by man that is inflicted upon innocents and they're more than likely responsible for it and 9one of them will be happy i until they bring the whole world down in bloody great screaming heap.
If your first, second and third allegiances aren't to this country and our modern customs, ideals and laws then fark off back to wherever you came from and see how you go back there but don't turn our country into the sort of backward shiithole that you came from.
grubs like AFL will jump out of the woodwork to condemn that post LE - shouts of racist will echo
but I have to agree 100% with everything written there
there is nothing racist in wanting OUR laws of the land adhered to, if you cant live with that, well as you say - piss off
plenty of immigrants from all over the world have been here and assimilated without problem including muslims
but I have to agree 100% with everything written there
there is nothing racist in wanting OUR laws of the land adhered to, if you cant live with that, well as you say - piss off
plenty of immigrants from all over the world have been here and assimilated without problem including muslims
What tactics did he use? Social media? Pretty sure Twitter/Youtube/Facebook have plenty of users that aren't members of ISIS. Quite possibly even the majority.
LE, you are talking about 25% of the worlds population. How many Christians do you think have spread to all parts of the world and committed atrocities? How many came to this country and slaughtered the native population in the name of their beliefs?
Take religion out of it. How many people have died at the hands of Australians in other countries? Countless.
In regards to he may not have been a card carrying member, but was happy to go along with the call from these grubs to be a lone wolf. Why are you discluding Saudi Arabia from this and suggesting ISIS? Saudi Arabia are far more suggestive, call out to the world for such acts, fund regimes that will go along with it, and behead people in public to entertain the masses. ISIS don't do anything that Saudi Arabia don't, yet we are fighting in the middle east to protect one of our biggest allies, Saudi Arabia.
So it would be ok if he was "answering the call" from Saudi Arabia, but not if it was from ISIS?
LE, Come to our country by all means but park your religious and ethnic hatred bullshit at the door the pendulum has swung far too much their way and needs to swing back in our favour, this is our country, it's still a modern christian country with christian based ideals, customs and laws and if you don't like our ideals, customs and our laws then piss off.
Why are you using religion to form an argument? Are you Christian? Would you convert to Islam if you for some reason had to travel to an Islam dominant country? Would you give up all your beliefs and simply swap for the opposite based on your geographical location?
How many times has this happened? I don't recall too many times the country was shut down for an "Islamic extremist" taking hostages. I do note however that Julian Knight is still in jail, serving 7 consecutive life sentences, for taking a shotgun and killing 7, injuring 19 in a 30 minute shooting spree. An Australian, with an adopted military father, who was raised on cadets, joined the army, and killed anybody in sight. Martin Bryant? Ring a bell? Was he an Islamic extremist?
Come to our country, or **** off? I don't agree with the way our country does things. So where should I **** off to? Should I convert to Christianity just to be allowed to stay here? Should I move to England and start beating my wife and not brush my teeth? Should I move to Nigeria and start scamming you?
People are so concerned about people coming over here and enthrusting their beliefs on us, yet nobody is concerned that every tax paying citizen is funding the invasion and slaughter of people in other countries, for not having the same beliefs as "us"....
Take religion out of it. How many people have died at the hands of Australians in other countries? Countless.
In regards to he may not have been a card carrying member, but was happy to go along with the call from these grubs to be a lone wolf. Why are you discluding Saudi Arabia from this and suggesting ISIS? Saudi Arabia are far more suggestive, call out to the world for such acts, fund regimes that will go along with it, and behead people in public to entertain the masses. ISIS don't do anything that Saudi Arabia don't, yet we are fighting in the middle east to protect one of our biggest allies, Saudi Arabia.
So it would be ok if he was "answering the call" from Saudi Arabia, but not if it was from ISIS?
LE, Come to our country by all means but park your religious and ethnic hatred bullshit at the door the pendulum has swung far too much their way and needs to swing back in our favour, this is our country, it's still a modern christian country with christian based ideals, customs and laws and if you don't like our ideals, customs and our laws then piss off.
Why are you using religion to form an argument? Are you Christian? Would you convert to Islam if you for some reason had to travel to an Islam dominant country? Would you give up all your beliefs and simply swap for the opposite based on your geographical location?
How many times has this happened? I don't recall too many times the country was shut down for an "Islamic extremist" taking hostages. I do note however that Julian Knight is still in jail, serving 7 consecutive life sentences, for taking a shotgun and killing 7, injuring 19 in a 30 minute shooting spree. An Australian, with an adopted military father, who was raised on cadets, joined the army, and killed anybody in sight. Martin Bryant? Ring a bell? Was he an Islamic extremist?
Come to our country, or **** off? I don't agree with the way our country does things. So where should I **** off to? Should I convert to Christianity just to be allowed to stay here? Should I move to England and start beating my wife and not brush my teeth? Should I move to Nigeria and start scamming you?
People are so concerned about people coming over here and enthrusting their beliefs on us, yet nobody is concerned that every tax paying citizen is funding the invasion and slaughter of people in other countries, for not having the same beliefs as "us"....
Why are you discluding Saudi Arabia from this and suggesting ISIS? Saudi Arabia are far more suggestive, call out to the world for such acts, fund regimes that will go along with it, and behead people in public to entertain the masses. ISIS don't do anything that Saudi Arabia don't, yet we are fighting in the middle east to protect one of our biggest allies, Saudi Arabia.
a) ive never heard a Saudi call out such acts
b) Saudis beheading people whilst abhorrent are carrying out the local law....for whatever crime is the LAW....beheading people is an extreme way of punishing criminals...unlike the humane way the americans do it
c) isis randomly grab a person off the street and behead them for such atrocities as reporting the fighting going on , or if they seem to be from another country - so YES isis does do something SA don't (random beheadings)
a) ive never heard a Saudi call out such acts
b) Saudis beheading people whilst abhorrent are carrying out the local law....for whatever crime is the LAW....beheading people is an extreme way of punishing criminals...unlike the humane way the americans do it
c) isis randomly grab a person off the street and behead them for such atrocities as reporting the fighting going on , or if they seem to be from another country - so YES isis does do something SA don't (random beheadings)
repeat for the slow,
if you want to come here you respect the LAW, protest what you perceive wrong doings (as anyone has the right to) by all means but WITHIN THE LAW ffs
if you want to come here you respect the LAW, protest what you perceive wrong doings (as anyone has the right to) by all means but WITHIN THE LAW ffs
BJT the arrogance of some of these people at times is breathtaking and my elderly mother has seen it first hand and this is far from uncommon I will give you a classic example, my mother participates in a regular weekly community senior citizens exercise class, prime movers, one day an islamic lady turns up to the class and didn't ask but instead immediately demanded that the instructor order the two males exercising to leave, both of them were long times members of the class and when she didn't get her way, she stormed off.
The same goes for special times at community swimming pools etc, etc, etc, they need to adhere to the adage, when in rome, just as virtually everyone else in the world has to, why do we need to change to accommodate them, it's a blatant double standard and is total hypocrisy and I can tell you the overwhelming silent majority of decent good natured, generous, caring people have had enough.
The same goes for special times at community swimming pools etc, etc, etc, they need to adhere to the adage, when in rome, just as virtually everyone else in the world has to, why do we need to change to accommodate them, it's a blatant double standard and is total hypocrisy and I can tell you the overwhelming silent majority of decent good natured, generous, caring people have had enough.
When people say they don't assimiliate, what exactly do you want them to do? Head down the pub, get sh1tfaced and whack a few bets on? Finish work early and go sip lattes somewhere? Put some weight on perhaps? What exactly do they need to do?
The reason we have to strictly adhere to the rules in some foreign countries is because they are strict countries. That doesn't need to be over analysed, strict countries are governed strictly. We are not. People always talk assimilation, but I am always left bemused about what exactly they are arguing.
Kinda sounds like you want burqas banned and mosques bulldozed...
The reason we have to strictly adhere to the rules in some foreign countries is because they are strict countries. That doesn't need to be over analysed, strict countries are governed strictly. We are not. People always talk assimilation, but I am always left bemused about what exactly they are arguing.
Kinda sounds like you want burqas banned and mosques bulldozed...
my mother participates in a regular weekly community senior citizens exercise class, prime movers, one day an islamic lady turns up to the class and didn't ask but instead immediately demanded that the instructor order the two males exercising to leave, both of them were long times members of the class and when she didn't get her way, she stormed off.
Your mother met a rude person. Probably not the first time in her life. But you remember this one because of her faith. Had the angry lady been white and wearing a boxing kangaroo T-shirt you would have forgotten all about her.
Your mother met a rude person. Probably not the first time in her life. But you remember this one because of her faith. Had the angry lady been white and wearing a boxing kangaroo T-shirt you would have forgotten all about her.
oh give me a break Rhino, unfortunately some of these people consistently demand special treatment and consideration, the attitude of some of their men towards our women is no different, why should an australian woman dressed in normal summer wear be made to feel threatened intimidated or degraded as repeatedly occurs in sydney and elsewhere because of what they wear doesn't fit the attitude of islamic men toward women. Assimilate properly as far I'm concerned means not expecting the community to bend over backwards to accommodate you and your archaic beliefs and for you to then attempt to enforce those same archaic beliefs and customs upon others when you don't like what you see.
I seem to remember Fred Nile has had a thing or two to say about how some women dress - should he assimilate as well?
99% of people of are decent and just want to get on with their lives, they should be allowed to imo
This guy was a nutter who used IS as his final excuse and I'm sure now that he has done that they'll claim him as one of their own in the next video they post. He was an extremist, they are extremists - we're better off without them. In saying that, don't forget that the vast majority of people being killed by IS are Muslims
We are a multicultural country and should embrace that diversity not try and force everyone to be the same
99% of people of are decent and just want to get on with their lives, they should be allowed to imo
This guy was a nutter who used IS as his final excuse and I'm sure now that he has done that they'll claim him as one of their own in the next video they post. He was an extremist, they are extremists - we're better off without them. In saying that, don't forget that the vast majority of people being killed by IS are Muslims
We are a multicultural country and should embrace that diversity not try and force everyone to be the same
Dec 16, 2014 -- 5:17AM, secong coming. wrote:
repeat for the slow, if you want to come here you respect the LAW, protest what you perceive wrong doings (as anyone has the right to) by all means but WITHIN THE LAW ffs
So all Australians respect the law? Prison system must be a breeze to work in.
Dec 16, 2014 -- 5:15AM, secong coming. wrote:
Why are you discluding Saudi Arabia from this and suggesting ISIS? Saudi Arabia are far more suggestive, call out to the world for such acts, fund regimes that will go along with it, and behead people in public to entertain the masses. ISIS don't do anything that Saudi Arabia don't, yet we are fighting in the middle east to protect one of our biggest allies, Saudi Arabia.a) ive never heard a Saudi call out such actsb) Saudis beheading people whilst abhorrent are carrying out the local law....for whatever crime is the LAW....beheading people is an extreme way of punishing criminals...unlike the humane way the americans do it c) isis randomly grab a person off the street and behead them for such atrocities as reporting the fighting going on , or if they seem to be from another country - so YES isis does do something SA don't (random beheadings)
Is that because the daily telegraph doesnt shove it down your throat? You do know that Saudi Arabia is an islamist extreme state that came to power with the exact same propoganda that any other exhibits. They were a self declared state and their laws and punishments are theres to act out. So why is isis any different? They have their laws and punishments too. No?
Fred Nile, a great example of a fundamental christian farking moron as I said they're every bit as bad as the radical muslims.
Very wrong LE but i would expect that rubbish from you. Fred may be an idiotic moron but plotting and carrying out terrorist attacks is always worse than idiotic words not matter how divisive those words are.
Dec 16, 2014 -- 6:53AM, Lets Elope wrote:
oh give me a break Rhino, unfortunately some of these people consistently demand special treatment and consideration, the attitude of some of their men towards our women is no different, why should an australian woman dressed in normal summer wear be made to feel threatened intimidated or degraded as repeatedly occurs in sydney and elsewhere because of what they wear doesn't fit the attitude of islamic men toward women. Assimilate properly as far
FFS. Fecking forum.
I was basically calling you a crack pot but in a far more poetic fashion. It's a real shame the forum cacked itself, was a quality post. Guess it just wasn't meant to be.
I was basically calling you a crack pot but in a far more poetic fashion. It's a real shame the forum cacked itself, was a quality post. Guess it just wasn't meant to be.
I started the thread to inform not judge.
Both ends of human trait existed,one trait been evil.
I know many comments have been written ,that is what forums do but to all formrites including those i know personally.
Casualty innocence numbered 2,on the other side of the world some 90 innocent children also perished at the presence of evil.
But none and I repeat none of us can comment with any degree of knowledge.
Why ??
Because thank Fcuk NONE of us were there.
Both ends of human trait existed,one trait been evil.
I know many comments have been written ,that is what forums do but to all formrites including those i know personally.
Casualty innocence numbered 2,on the other side of the world some 90 innocent children also perished at the presence of evil.
But none and I repeat none of us can comment with any degree of knowledge.
Why ??
Because thank Fcuk NONE of us were there.
Fundamentalist christians yep they've never hurt anyone, they never persecuted anyone falsely just because of their beliefs or lifestyle or their fundamental right whether or not they are ready to bring a child into the world, they've never bombed abortion clinics etc, ever heard of the IRA and the troubles a very nasty religion based war, the inquisition etc, etc, when it all boils down even the head of ISIS and all these religious organisations or terrorist groups, the bottom line is always about power and those at the top manipulating the weak minded and ignorant masses to do their bidding.
As for fundamentalist christians, who strictly interpret the bible, only the most heavily and selectively edited and manipulated book in history, yeah that makes a lot of sense doesn't it.
Religious fanatics of all persuasions are inherently dangerous and most won't be happy until they bring down the whole world in a bloody great screaming heap.
As for fundamentalist christians, who strictly interpret the bible, only the most heavily and selectively edited and manipulated book in history, yeah that makes a lot of sense doesn't it.
Religious fanatics of all persuasions are inherently dangerous and most won't be happy until they bring down the whole world in a bloody great screaming heap.
the worlds a busted arse,didnt some yank go nuts today as well,more domestic violence deaths..
now the taliban just killed 130 defenceless kids,what ****s..is any world leader going to do anything it..doubt it..
and ruperts tweet..what an utter **** he is..
its fkd..
now the taliban just killed 130 defenceless kids,what ****s..is any world leader going to do anything it..doubt it..
and ruperts tweet..what an utter **** he is..
its fkd..
Well said Lets
Just awful, truly awful what happened in Pakistan - deliberately targeting children to make a point is the sickest of the sick
And then we have idiots like Chris Uhlmann interviewing the PM this morning having a go at Islam for not being able to take criticism like the Catholics have been forced to ffs
Why on earth would he go down that path at this time
Just awful, truly awful what happened in Pakistan - deliberately targeting children to make a point is the sickest of the sick
And then we have idiots like Chris Uhlmann interviewing the PM this morning having a go at Islam for not being able to take criticism like the Catholics have been forced to ffs
Why on earth would he go down that path at this time
this idiot that put his headband on and a gun in his bag was actually complying with our laws, just fitting in, you might say. Don't forget it was our LAW that allowed him his freedom to walk into a coffee shop and do whatever he wanted....... just ask the LAW (another idiot titled as a magistrate) that gave him his freedom (bail). "They", these lunatics who use religion as they're excuse for bad behaviou, are all just "fitting in" with our own laws and lifestyle, if you want to sing and dance about it then perhaps give tony and the do nothings a call and see if they can revisit the gun laws.... ahhh they don't appear to be working all that well.
And considering our laws have created decades of genocide, not sure how much respect they really deserve. 45,000 deaths a year to cancer alone, and nobody bats an eyelid, yet 2 deaths and the country is in mourning. And those 2 deaths probably only really came about when old mate tried to grab the gun while he was sleeping. As heroic it was, and potentially saved others lives, sneaking out, or a chair to the head was probably the best idea. Hindsight is a great thing, and not trying to downplay the bravery involved and the tragic circumstances.
But the reality is the government are indirectly or directly killing many tens of thousands of people every year in our own country, and countless thousands of people not under their jurisdiction, a high proportion of those "innocent civilians" every year, for monetary reasons and everybody is blinded to the facts because of the fear they create throughout the population of "extremists". All done under the guise of "protecting us". There are plenty of extremists in our country. The most dangerous ones are the ones we have been forced to vote for. If you want to bring religion into it, the majority of them have publicly been advising us to pray during this event.
So is it bad that he flew the banner of his religious beliefs when our "leaders" are publicly sending out the message, over and over again, that our god has come out on top? He is a religious nut, but our leaders aren't using religion to try to send their message?
Some people act like our siht don't stink.
But the reality is the government are indirectly or directly killing many tens of thousands of people every year in our own country, and countless thousands of people not under their jurisdiction, a high proportion of those "innocent civilians" every year, for monetary reasons and everybody is blinded to the facts because of the fear they create throughout the population of "extremists". All done under the guise of "protecting us". There are plenty of extremists in our country. The most dangerous ones are the ones we have been forced to vote for. If you want to bring religion into it, the majority of them have publicly been advising us to pray during this event.
So is it bad that he flew the banner of his religious beliefs when our "leaders" are publicly sending out the message, over and over again, that our god has come out on top? He is a religious nut, but our leaders aren't using religion to try to send their message?
Some people act like our siht don't stink.
I'm sorry who is it that was first in with with aid after the tsunami's oh that's right it was us Australia and every disaster in our region and elsewhere we're always there with aid and support, on the balance we do a lot a hell of a lot more good than anything else.
Also we dont behead people for just being in the vicinity but hey if we're so bad BJT you know we're the door is and guess what you have the freedom to leave and go at will.
Not to mention if you expressed these sort of views in certain other countries you would in all probability be locked up with the key thrown away if not worse.
Also we dont behead people for just being in the vicinity but hey if we're so bad BJT you know we're the door is and guess what you have the freedom to leave and go at will.
Not to mention if you expressed these sort of views in certain other countries you would in all probability be locked up with the key thrown away if not worse.
This is all Gough's fault.
The day he opened our doors to all manner of riff-raff from all over the world was the day Australia stopped being the carefree worker's utopia that it always had been. Suddenly we had Asians, with their stupid bloody work ethic, forcing our wages and working conditions down to third world level. Then an endless stream of reffos from every sh1t-hole on the planet, importing their bullsh1t old country grievances into this once-peaceful country. And this muslim mob are the worst of the lot with their 72 virgins, their jihads, their fatwahs and their bloody burkhas.
And Hawke and Keating have been willing accessories in this blind push to turn Australia into a third world country, based on the premise that the only way to compete with the third world is to become the third world. Hawke, the Joseph Stalin of Australian politics, the former leader of the ACTU who sold out every principle he ever had the day he became prime minister.
And don't get me started on the H.R.Nicholls faction of the Liberal Party.
The only surprise about what happened the other day is that it didn't happen sooner ... oh, hang on ... it did. That 10th grade loonie who tried to behead a copper in Melbourne.
So we've let the chinese take over our real estate industry and now we've got Division 12 do-it-yourself islamic martyrs earning themselves twelve pregnant camels by pulling off some childish stunt in the middle of Sydney.
Fair dinkum ... whoever started the Black Saturday fires was more of a terrorist that this c*nt.
Whoever vandalised the pitch at The Oval in 1975 was more of a terrorist that this imposter.
This sad F LI C K is not even a terrorist's armpit.
If we want to compete with the Middle East we need to BECOME the Middle East.
And thanks to Gough Bloody Whitlam we are well on our way.
The day he opened our doors to all manner of riff-raff from all over the world was the day Australia stopped being the carefree worker's utopia that it always had been. Suddenly we had Asians, with their stupid bloody work ethic, forcing our wages and working conditions down to third world level. Then an endless stream of reffos from every sh1t-hole on the planet, importing their bullsh1t old country grievances into this once-peaceful country. And this muslim mob are the worst of the lot with their 72 virgins, their jihads, their fatwahs and their bloody burkhas.
And Hawke and Keating have been willing accessories in this blind push to turn Australia into a third world country, based on the premise that the only way to compete with the third world is to become the third world. Hawke, the Joseph Stalin of Australian politics, the former leader of the ACTU who sold out every principle he ever had the day he became prime minister.
And don't get me started on the H.R.Nicholls faction of the Liberal Party.
The only surprise about what happened the other day is that it didn't happen sooner ... oh, hang on ... it did. That 10th grade loonie who tried to behead a copper in Melbourne.
So we've let the chinese take over our real estate industry and now we've got Division 12 do-it-yourself islamic martyrs earning themselves twelve pregnant camels by pulling off some childish stunt in the middle of Sydney.
Fair dinkum ... whoever started the Black Saturday fires was more of a terrorist that this c*nt.
Whoever vandalised the pitch at The Oval in 1975 was more of a terrorist that this imposter.
This sad F LI C K is not even a terrorist's armpit.
If we want to compete with the Middle East we need to BECOME the Middle East.
And thanks to Gough Bloody Whitlam we are well on our way.
Dec 17, 2014 -- 1:35AM, Lets Elope wrote:
I'm sorry who is it that was first in with with aid after the tsunami's oh that's right it was us Australia and every disaster in our region and elsewhere we're always there with aid and support, on the balance we do a lot a hell of a lot more good than anything else.Also we dont behead people for just being in the vicinity but hey if we're so bad BJT you know we're the door is and guess what you have the freedom to leave and go at will.Not to mention if you expressed these sort of views in certain other countries you would in all probability be locked up with the key thrown away if not worse.
Is that what we are doing for our farmers at the moment? Or are we standing back while they lose everything?
And for the record, ISIS are setting up schools, and healthcare systems for the people they are putting under their control. Politics at work hey.....
I'm sure they will be receiving a well rounded education at the madras's wjere they'll learn such things as women are chattel, how to kill and maim innocent civilians and general dehumanising, how about the taliban a truly wonderful bunch aren't they, storm into a pakistani school and slaughter 130 children.
How about those Americans. Run into a kindergarten after killing their mothers and slaughter dozens of 4 year olds.
How about those allied soldiers. Raping children, and killing for sport, playing frogger with them in their military vehicles.
Our siht stinks just as much as theirs.
How about those allied soldiers. Raping children, and killing for sport, playing frogger with them in their military vehicles.
Our siht stinks just as much as theirs.
I would have thought that given the opportunity of staying in your homeland and run the extremely high risk of being slaughtered, or, be welcomed into one of the greatest countries on earth with the only caveat being you don't break the law, or at the very least don't murder, or sexually assault women at leisure the choice would be fairly simple.
I imagine all Australians would welcome as many legitimate refugees as our infrastructure can handle, so long as they don't do us any harm and respect our country. Surely this isn't to much to ask?
I imagine all Australians would welcome as many legitimate refugees as our infrastructure can handle, so long as they don't do us any harm and respect our country. Surely this isn't to much to ask?
No opinion is to be inferred by the posting of this law.....
MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 36
Protection visas
(1) There is a class of visas to be known as protection visas.
Note: See also Subdivision AL.
(1A) An applicant for a protection visa must satisfy:
(a) the criterion in subsection (1B); and
(b) at least one of the criteria in subsection (2).
(1B) A criterion for a protection visa is that the applicant is not assessed by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation to be directly or indirectly a risk to security (within the meaning of section 4 of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act 1979 ).
(2) A criterion for a protection visa is that the applicant for the visa is:
(a) a non-citizen in Australia in respect of whom the Minister is satisfied Australia has protection obligations under the Refugees Convention as amended by the Refugees Protocol; or
(aa) a non-citizen in Australia (other than a non-citizen mentioned in paragraph (a)) in respect of whom the Minister is satisfied Australia has protection obligations because the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen being removed from Australia to a receiving country, there is a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or
(b) a non-citizen in Australia who is a member of the same family unit as a non-citizen who:
(i) is mentioned in paragraph (a); and
(ii) holds a protection visa; or
(c) a non-citizen in Australia who is a member of the same family unit as a non-citizen who:
(i) is mentioned in paragraph (aa); and
(ii) holds a protection visa.
(2A) A non-citizen will suffer significant harm if:
(a) the non-citizen will be arbitrarily deprived of his or her life; or
(b) the death penalty will be carried out on the non-citizen; or
(c) the non-citizen will be subjected to torture; or
(d) the non-citizen will be subjected to cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment; or
(e) the non-citizen will be subjected to degrading treatment or punishment.
(2B) However, there is taken not to be a real risk that a non-citizen will suffer significant harm in a country if the Minister is satisfied that:
(a) it would be reasonable for the non-citizen to relocate to an area of the country where there would not be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or
(b) the non-citizen could obtain, from an authority of the country, protection such that there would not be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or
(c) the real risk is one faced by the population of the country generally and is not faced by the non-citizen personally.
Ineligibility for grant of a protection visa
(2C) A non-citizen is taken not to satisfy the criterion mentioned in paragraph (2)(aa) if:
(a) the Minister has serious reasons for considering that:
(i) the non-citizen has committed a crime against peace, a war crime or a crime against humanity, as defined by international instruments prescribed by the regulations; or
(ii) the non-citizen committed a serious non-political crime before entering Australia; or
(iii) the non-citizen has been guilty of acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; or
(b) the Minister considers, on reasonable grounds, that:
(i) the non-citizen is a danger to Australia's security; or
(ii) the non-citizen, having been convicted by a final judgment of a particularly serious crime (including a crime that consists of the commission of a serious Australian offence or serious foreign offence), is a danger to the Australian community.
Protection obligations
(3) Australia is taken not to have protection obligations in respect of a non-citizen who has not taken all possible steps to avail himself or herself of a right to enter and reside in, whether temporarily or permanently and however that right arose or is expressed, any country apart from Australia, including countries of which the non-citizen is a national.
(4) However, subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country in respect of which:
(a) the non-citizen has a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion; or
(b) the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen availing himself or herself of a right mentioned in subsection (3), there would be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm in relation to the country.
(5) Subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country if the non-citizen has a well-founded fear that:
(a) the country will return the non-citizen to another country; and
(b) the non-citizen will be persecuted in that other country for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.
(5A) Also, subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country if:
(a) the non-citizen has a well-founded fear that the country will return the non-citizen to another country; and
(b) the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen availing himself or herself of a right mentioned in subsection (3), there would be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm in relation to the other country.
Determining nationality
(6) For the purposes of subsection (3), the question of whether a non-citizen is a national of a particular country must be determined solely by reference to the law of that country.
(7) Subsection (6) does not, by implication, affect the interpretation of any other provision of this Act.
MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 36
Protection visas
(1) There is a class of visas to be known as protection visas.
Note: See also Subdivision AL.
(1A) An applicant for a protection visa must satisfy:
(a) the criterion in subsection (1B); and
(b) at least one of the criteria in subsection (2).
(1B) A criterion for a protection visa is that the applicant is not assessed by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation to be directly or indirectly a risk to security (within the meaning of section 4 of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act 1979 ).
(2) A criterion for a protection visa is that the applicant for the visa is:
(a) a non-citizen in Australia in respect of whom the Minister is satisfied Australia has protection obligations under the Refugees Convention as amended by the Refugees Protocol; or
(aa) a non-citizen in Australia (other than a non-citizen mentioned in paragraph (a)) in respect of whom the Minister is satisfied Australia has protection obligations because the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen being removed from Australia to a receiving country, there is a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or
(b) a non-citizen in Australia who is a member of the same family unit as a non-citizen who:
(i) is mentioned in paragraph (a); and
(ii) holds a protection visa; or
(c) a non-citizen in Australia who is a member of the same family unit as a non-citizen who:
(i) is mentioned in paragraph (aa); and
(ii) holds a protection visa.
(2A) A non-citizen will suffer significant harm if:
(a) the non-citizen will be arbitrarily deprived of his or her life; or
(b) the death penalty will be carried out on the non-citizen; or
(c) the non-citizen will be subjected to torture; or
(d) the non-citizen will be subjected to cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment; or
(e) the non-citizen will be subjected to degrading treatment or punishment.
(2B) However, there is taken not to be a real risk that a non-citizen will suffer significant harm in a country if the Minister is satisfied that:
(a) it would be reasonable for the non-citizen to relocate to an area of the country where there would not be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or
(b) the non-citizen could obtain, from an authority of the country, protection such that there would not be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or
(c) the real risk is one faced by the population of the country generally and is not faced by the non-citizen personally.
Ineligibility for grant of a protection visa
(2C) A non-citizen is taken not to satisfy the criterion mentioned in paragraph (2)(aa) if:
(a) the Minister has serious reasons for considering that:
(i) the non-citizen has committed a crime against peace, a war crime or a crime against humanity, as defined by international instruments prescribed by the regulations; or
(ii) the non-citizen committed a serious non-political crime before entering Australia; or
(iii) the non-citizen has been guilty of acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; or
(b) the Minister considers, on reasonable grounds, that:
(i) the non-citizen is a danger to Australia's security; or
(ii) the non-citizen, having been convicted by a final judgment of a particularly serious crime (including a crime that consists of the commission of a serious Australian offence or serious foreign offence), is a danger to the Australian community.
Protection obligations
(3) Australia is taken not to have protection obligations in respect of a non-citizen who has not taken all possible steps to avail himself or herself of a right to enter and reside in, whether temporarily or permanently and however that right arose or is expressed, any country apart from Australia, including countries of which the non-citizen is a national.
(4) However, subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country in respect of which:
(a) the non-citizen has a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion; or
(b) the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen availing himself or herself of a right mentioned in subsection (3), there would be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm in relation to the country.
(5) Subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country if the non-citizen has a well-founded fear that:
(a) the country will return the non-citizen to another country; and
(b) the non-citizen will be persecuted in that other country for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion.
(5A) Also, subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country if:
(a) the non-citizen has a well-founded fear that the country will return the non-citizen to another country; and
(b) the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen availing himself or herself of a right mentioned in subsection (3), there would be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm in relation to the other country.
Determining nationality
(6) For the purposes of subsection (3), the question of whether a non-citizen is a national of a particular country must be determined solely by reference to the law of that country.
(7) Subsection (6) does not, by implication, affect the interpretation of any other provision of this Act.
People seeking refugee status?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU
Thanks Henry, i dont know that law specifically so dont comment on the legalities.
Do you or BJT think its too much to ask that refugees we welcome into our country don't do us any harm and respect our country
Do you or BJT think its too much to ask that refugees we welcome into our country don't do us any harm and respect our country
Don't think it is too much to ask. I think it is too much to expect. We can't do that for ourselves, living in "the lucky country" where we generally don't experience anything like some of these people.
Also think it is ridiculous to expect on asking a question like that, to somebody that wants entry, to get any answer but sure sir, thank you sir, which part of your arse would you like me to lick now sir? The same way that if you asked anybody in the knowledge that a wrong answer would see them not get what they want, anybody in this country to answer the same way.
What sort of people do our returned soldiers make? Across the western world, returned soldiers are a huge risk to society. That is what war does to people. It desensitizes them. In a perfect world, everybody would look after everybody else. But the world isn't perfect, people aren't perfect, and extemists come in many forms, with many different agendas.
Also think it is ridiculous to expect on asking a question like that, to somebody that wants entry, to get any answer but sure sir, thank you sir, which part of your arse would you like me to lick now sir? The same way that if you asked anybody in the knowledge that a wrong answer would see them not get what they want, anybody in this country to answer the same way.
What sort of people do our returned soldiers make? Across the western world, returned soldiers are a huge risk to society. That is what war does to people. It desensitizes them. In a perfect world, everybody would look after everybody else. But the world isn't perfect, people aren't perfect, and extemists come in many forms, with many different agendas.
BJT its not a question we should be asking, we dont ask them if the mind not murdering any one while they're here, just as we don't ask if they mind not speeding. The law purely and simple should be if you are a refugee who commits an offence serious enough to warrant jail time you will be deported. How hard can it be to not murder someone when you know (or at least we are told) that their life is in danger in their homeland?
Where do you suggest we deport Australian born returned soldiers to?
Where do you suggest we deport Australian born returned soldiers to?
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You and your family must comply with Australian laws.
This information is for people who have already been granted a Protection visa (subclass 866). It explains your rights and obligations.
From 3 June 2013, condition 8559 prohibits travel by a protection visa holder to their home country, or the country from which they sought protection. Find out more about condition 8559 through Help and support - Frequently asked questions (FAQs).
What this visa lets you do
This is a permanent residence visa. It lets you and any family members who have also been granted this visa to:
stay in Australia indefinitely
work and study in Australia
enrol in Medicare, Australia's scheme for health-related care and expenses
apply for Australian citizenship (if you are eligible)
sponsor eligible relatives for permanent residence
travel to and from Australia for five years from the date the visa is granted (after that time, you will need a resident return visa or another visa to return to Australia).
If you want to sponsor eligible relatives for permanent residence, you can do so under the family stream. In limited circumstances, you might be able to sponsor your eligible family member for this visa.
Your obligations
You and your family must comply with Australian laws.
Dec 17, 2014 -- 6:13AM, Dark....Target wrote:
BJT its not a question we should be asking, we dont ask them if the mind not murdering any one while they're here, just as we don't ask if they mind not speeding. The law purely and simple should be if you are a refugee who commits an offence serious enough to warrant jail time you will be deported. How hard can it be to not murder someone when you know (or at least we are told) that their life is in danger in their homeland?Where do you suggest we deport Australian born returned soldiers to?
I didn't suggest deporting anybody. I suggested that our siht stinks just as much as anybody elses.
Yes but we don't have the luxury of taking these measures to citizens born here, as nice as it would be to have criminals not wasting any of our oxygen here, we do have that option with those supposedly seeking a better, peaceful life in Australia.
The fact that our **** stinks as much as anyone's is neither here nor there.
The fact that our **** stinks as much as anyone's is neither here nor there.
Of course it is. You take a section of any random selection of people in the world, and you will essentially have the same subset of people with only slight differences.
Yes but what does this have to do with immigrants coming to our country, committing extremely serious offences, and still being allowed to live here?
Because once they are in and under our "control" they have the same laws as the rest of us, and therefore the same punishments. You know, democracy and all that.
At least they take the focus off the real issues of the world. While people are talking about the 2 people that died, once, they are forgetting everything else due to fear.
No I don't know.
I don't know if you are winding me up or not either, so I will leave it at that.
I don't know if you are winding me up or not either, so I will leave it at that.
just revealed by govt. He HAD A GUN LICENCE !!!! ffs !!! i just can't believe it why isn't there some accountability for magistrates and govt. employed officers that make obvious fck ups like this .... and, also revealed... a clean headshot available ... FFS why didn't our WAP soggies not take the HEAD shot when it was offered ???? why do we continually f.ck around with these idiots a bullett is what they need and what they should get.
Why? Because gold medal Olympic shooters don't hit the high score every time......and they're not shooting at a moving target, with moving hostages, through thick shop glass that would have god knows what impact on the trajectory of the bullet.....that's why.
You'd be surprised how good those olympic shooters are and you wouldn't need to be as good as them to land one on a lunatic's head standing ten feet or so behind a thin glass window without anyone else in the field of view. They aren't using dum dum's.
In all fairness they did have people in the ceiling installing cameras. Could have easily either cut a bigger hole or better yet considering the floor plan dropped a couple of snipers into the managers office.
A couple of gems from ABC Breakfast TV yesterday.
The lawyer who got Monis out on bail, Manny Conditsis, was asked by the ABC interviewer, Does he sleep soundly at night?
And a later piece, a voiceover says Monis was known for his extreme views. A short video clip followed where Monis is seen saying
"We should care about Australia's interests, not America's interests"
The lawyer who got Monis out on bail, Manny Conditsis, was asked by the ABC interviewer, Does he sleep soundly at night?
And a later piece, a voiceover says Monis was known for his extreme views. A short video clip followed where Monis is seen saying
"We should care about Australia's interests, not America's interests"
come to think of it that photo in the harold of rambo looking out the window .... was taken from a perfect spot for a sniper to shoot. A better spot than the snipers, one of whose barrels was about 30 deg. (no hope for first ping) and the other whose barrel was horizontal but slightly offset ... good chance id back him... if the cameraman got out of the way 
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