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What tactics did he use? Social media? Pretty sure Twitter/Youtube/Facebook have plenty of users that aren't members of ISIS. Quite possibly even the majority.
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LE, you are talking about 25% of the worlds population. How many Christians do you think have spread to all parts of the world and committed atrocities? How many came to this country and slaughtered the native population in the name of their beliefs?
Take religion out of it. How many people have died at the hands of Australians in other countries? Countless. In regards to he may not have been a card carrying member, but was happy to go along with the call from these grubs to be a lone wolf. Why are you discluding Saudi Arabia from this and suggesting ISIS? Saudi Arabia are far more suggestive, call out to the world for such acts, fund regimes that will go along with it, and behead people in public to entertain the masses. ISIS don't do anything that Saudi Arabia don't, yet we are fighting in the middle east to protect one of our biggest allies, Saudi Arabia. So it would be ok if he was "answering the call" from Saudi Arabia, but not if it was from ISIS? LE, Come to our country by all means but park your religious and ethnic hatred bullshit at the door the pendulum has swung far too much their way and needs to swing back in our favour, this is our country, it's still a modern christian country with christian based ideals, customs and laws and if you don't like our ideals, customs and our laws then piss off. Why are you using religion to form an argument? Are you Christian? Would you convert to Islam if you for some reason had to travel to an Islam dominant country? Would you give up all your beliefs and simply swap for the opposite based on your geographical location? How many times has this happened? I don't recall too many times the country was shut down for an "Islamic extremist" taking hostages. I do note however that Julian Knight is still in jail, serving 7 consecutive life sentences, for taking a shotgun and killing 7, injuring 19 in a 30 minute shooting spree. An Australian, with an adopted military father, who was raised on cadets, joined the army, and killed anybody in sight. Martin Bryant? Ring a bell? Was he an Islamic extremist? Come to our country, or **** off? I don't agree with the way our country does things. So where should I **** off to? Should I convert to Christianity just to be allowed to stay here? Should I move to England and start beating my wife and not brush my teeth? Should I move to Nigeria and start scamming you? People are so concerned about people coming over here and enthrusting their beliefs on us, yet nobody is concerned that every tax paying citizen is funding the invasion and slaughter of people in other countries, for not having the same beliefs as "us".... |
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Lets Elope.....well said.
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Why are you discluding Saudi Arabia from this and suggesting ISIS? Saudi Arabia are far more suggestive, call out to the world for such acts, fund regimes that will go along with it, and behead people in public to entertain the masses. ISIS don't do anything that Saudi Arabia don't, yet we are fighting in the middle east to protect one of our biggest allies, Saudi Arabia.
a) ive never heard a Saudi call out such acts b) Saudis beheading people whilst abhorrent are carrying out the local law....for whatever crime is the LAW....beheading people is an extreme way of punishing criminals...unlike the humane way the americans do it  c) isis randomly grab a person off the street and behead them for such atrocities as reporting the fighting going on , or if they seem to be from another country - so YES isis does do something SA don't (random beheadings) |
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repeat for the slow,
if you want to come here you respect the LAW, protest what you perceive wrong doings (as anyone has the right to) by all means but WITHIN THE LAW ffs |
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BJT the arrogance of some of these people at times is breathtaking and my elderly mother has seen it first hand and this is far from uncommon I will give you a classic example, my mother participates in a regular weekly community senior citizens exercise class, prime movers, one day an islamic lady turns up to the class and didn't ask but instead immediately demanded that the instructor order the two males exercising to leave, both of them were long times members of the class and when she didn't get her way, she stormed off.
The same goes for special times at community swimming pools etc, etc, etc, they need to adhere to the adage, when in rome, just as virtually everyone else in the world has to, why do we need to change to accommodate them, it's a blatant double standard and is total hypocrisy and I can tell you the overwhelming silent majority of decent good natured, generous, caring people have had enough. |
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When people say they don't assimiliate, what exactly do you want them to do? Head down the pub, get sh1tfaced and whack a few bets on? Finish work early and go sip lattes somewhere? Put some weight on perhaps? What exactly do they need to do?
The reason we have to strictly adhere to the rules in some foreign countries is because they are strict countries. That doesn't need to be over analysed, strict countries are governed strictly. We are not. People always talk assimilation, but I am always left bemused about what exactly they are arguing. Kinda sounds like you want burqas banned and mosques bulldozed... |
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my mother participates in a regular weekly community senior citizens exercise class, prime movers, one day an islamic lady turns up to the class and didn't ask but instead immediately demanded that the instructor order the two males exercising to leave, both of them were long times members of the class and when she didn't get her way, she stormed off.
Your mother met a rude person. Probably not the first time in her life. But you remember this one because of her faith. Had the angry lady been white and wearing a boxing kangaroo T-shirt you would have forgotten all about her. |
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oh give me a break Rhino, unfortunately some of these people consistently demand special treatment and consideration, the attitude of some of their men towards our women is no different, why should an australian woman dressed in normal summer wear be made to feel threatened intimidated or degraded as repeatedly occurs in sydney and elsewhere because of what they wear doesn't fit the attitude of islamic men toward women. Assimilate properly as far I'm concerned means not expecting the community to bend over backwards to accommodate you and your archaic beliefs and for you to then attempt to enforce those same archaic beliefs and customs upon others when you don't like what you see.
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I seem to remember Fred Nile has had a thing or two to say about how some women dress - should he assimilate as well?
99% of people of are decent and just want to get on with their lives, they should be allowed to imo This guy was a nutter who used IS as his final excuse and I'm sure now that he has done that they'll claim him as one of their own in the next video they post. He was an extremist, they are extremists - we're better off without them. In saying that, don't forget that the vast majority of people being killed by IS are Muslims We are a multicultural country and should embrace that diversity not try and force everyone to be the same |
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btw well said Rhino
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Fred Nile, a great example of a fundamental christian farking moron as I said they're every bit as bad as the radical muslims.
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Very wrong LE but i would expect that rubbish from you. Fred may be an idiotic moron but plotting and carrying out terrorist attacks is always worse than idiotic words not matter how divisive those words are.
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FFS. Fecking forum.
I was basically calling you a crack pot but in a far more poetic fashion. It's a real shame the forum cacked itself, was a quality post. Guess it just wasn't meant to be. |
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I started the thread to inform not judge.
Both ends of human trait existed,one trait been evil. I know many comments have been written ,that is what forums do but to all formrites including those i know personally. Casualty innocence numbered 2,on the other side of the world some 90 innocent children also perished at the presence of evil. But none and I repeat none of us can comment with any degree of knowledge. Why ?? Because thank Fcuk NONE of us were there. |
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Fundamentalist christians yep they've never hurt anyone, they never persecuted anyone falsely just because of their beliefs or lifestyle or their fundamental right whether or not they are ready to bring a child into the world, they've never bombed abortion clinics etc, ever heard of the IRA and the troubles a very nasty religion based war, the inquisition etc, etc, when it all boils down even the head of ISIS and all these religious organisations or terrorist groups, the bottom line is always about power and those at the top manipulating the weak minded and ignorant masses to do their bidding.
As for fundamentalist christians, who strictly interpret the bible, only the most heavily and selectively edited and manipulated book in history, yeah that makes a lot of sense doesn't it. Religious fanatics of all persuasions are inherently dangerous and most won't be happy until they bring down the whole world in a bloody great screaming heap. |
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the worlds a busted arse,didnt some yank go nuts today as well,more domestic violence deaths..
now the taliban just killed 130 defenceless kids,what ****s..is any world leader going to do anything it..doubt it.. and ruperts tweet..what an utter **** he is.. its fkd.. |
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Well said Lets
Just awful, truly awful what happened in Pakistan - deliberately targeting children to make a point is the sickest of the sick  And then we have idiots like Chris Uhlmann interviewing the PM this morning having a go at Islam for not being able to take criticism like the Catholics have been forced to ffs Why on earth would he go down that path at this time |
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this idiot that put his headband on and a gun in his bag was actually complying with our laws, just fitting in, you might say. Don't forget it was our LAW that allowed him his freedom to walk into a coffee shop and do whatever he wanted....... just ask the LAW (another idiot titled as a magistrate) that gave him his freedom (bail). "They", these lunatics who use religion as they're excuse for bad behaviou, are all just "fitting in" with our own laws and lifestyle, if you want to sing and dance about it then perhaps give tony and the do nothings a call and see if they can revisit the gun laws.... ahhh they don't appear to be working all that well.
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And considering our laws have created decades of genocide, not sure how much respect they really deserve. 45,000 deaths a year to cancer alone, and nobody bats an eyelid, yet 2 deaths and the country is in mourning. And those 2 deaths probably only really came about when old mate tried to grab the gun while he was sleeping. As heroic it was, and potentially saved others lives, sneaking out, or a chair to the head was probably the best idea. Hindsight is a great thing, and not trying to downplay the bravery involved and the tragic circumstances.
But the reality is the government are indirectly or directly killing many tens of thousands of people every year in our own country, and countless thousands of people not under their jurisdiction, a high proportion of those "innocent civilians" every year, for monetary reasons and everybody is blinded to the facts because of the fear they create throughout the population of "extremists". All done under the guise of "protecting us". There are plenty of extremists in our country. The most dangerous ones are the ones we have been forced to vote for. If you want to bring religion into it, the majority of them have publicly been advising us to pray during this event. So is it bad that he flew the banner of his religious beliefs when our "leaders" are publicly sending out the message, over and over again, that our god has come out on top? He is a religious nut, but our leaders aren't using religion to try to send their message? Some people act like our siht don't stink. |
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I'm sorry who is it that was first in with with aid after the tsunami's oh that's right it was us Australia and every disaster in our region and elsewhere we're always there with aid and support, on the balance we do a lot a hell of a lot more good than anything else.
Also we dont behead people for just being in the vicinity but hey if we're so bad BJT you know we're the door is and guess what you have the freedom to leave and go at will. Not to mention if you expressed these sort of views in certain other countries you would in all probability be locked up with the key thrown away if not worse. |
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This is all Gough's fault.
The day he opened our doors to all manner of riff-raff from all over the world was the day Australia stopped being the carefree worker's utopia that it always had been. Suddenly we had Asians, with their stupid bloody work ethic, forcing our wages and working conditions down to third world level. Then an endless stream of reffos from every sh1t-hole on the planet, importing their bullsh1t old country grievances into this once-peaceful country. And this muslim mob are the worst of the lot with their 72 virgins, their jihads, their fatwahs and their bloody burkhas. And Hawke and Keating have been willing accessories in this blind push to turn Australia into a third world country, based on the premise that the only way to compete with the third world is to become the third world. Hawke, the Joseph Stalin of Australian politics, the former leader of the ACTU who sold out every principle he ever had the day he became prime minister. And don't get me started on the H.R.Nicholls faction of the Liberal Party. The only surprise about what happened the other day is that it didn't happen sooner ... oh, hang on ... it did. That 10th grade loonie who tried to behead a copper in Melbourne. So we've let the chinese take over our real estate industry and now we've got Division 12 do-it-yourself islamic martyrs earning themselves twelve pregnant camels by pulling off some childish stunt in the middle of Sydney. Fair dinkum ... whoever started the Black Saturday fires was more of a terrorist that this c*nt. Whoever vandalised the pitch at The Oval in 1975 was more of a terrorist that this imposter. This sad F LI C K is not even a terrorist's armpit. If we want to compete with the Middle East we need to BECOME the Middle East. And thanks to Gough Bloody Whitlam we are well on our way. |
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And for the record, ISIS are setting up schools, and healthcare systems for the people they are putting under their control. Politics at work hey.....
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I'm sure they will be receiving a well rounded education at the madras's wjere they'll learn such things as women are chattel, how to kill and maim innocent civilians and general dehumanising, how about the taliban a truly wonderful bunch aren't they, storm into a pakistani school and slaughter 130 children.
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How about those Americans. Run into a kindergarten after killing their mothers and slaughter dozens of 4 year olds.
How about those allied soldiers. Raping children, and killing for sport, playing frogger with them in their military vehicles. Our siht stinks just as much as theirs. |
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I would have thought that given the opportunity of staying in your homeland and run the extremely high risk of being slaughtered, or, be welcomed into one of the greatest countries on earth with the only caveat being you don't break the law, or at the very least don't murder, or sexually assault women at leisure the choice would be fairly simple.
I imagine all Australians would welcome as many legitimate refugees as our infrastructure can handle, so long as they don't do us any harm and respect our country. Surely this isn't to much to ask? |
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No opinion is to be inferred by the posting of this law.....
MIGRATION ACT 1958 - SECT 36 Protection visas (1) There is a class of visas to be known as protection visas. Note: See also Subdivision AL. (1A) An applicant for a protection visa must satisfy: (a) the criterion in subsection (1B); and (b) at least one of the criteria in subsection (2). (1B) A criterion for a protection visa is that the applicant is not assessed by the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation to be directly or indirectly a risk to security (within the meaning of section 4 of the Australian Security Intelligence Organisation Act 1979 ). (2) A criterion for a protection visa is that the applicant for the visa is: (a) a non-citizen in Australia in respect of whom the Minister is satisfied Australia has protection obligations under the Refugees Convention as amended by the Refugees Protocol; or (aa) a non-citizen in Australia (other than a non-citizen mentioned in paragraph (a)) in respect of whom the Minister is satisfied Australia has protection obligations because the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen being removed from Australia to a receiving country, there is a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or (b) a non-citizen in Australia who is a member of the same family unit as a non-citizen who: (i) is mentioned in paragraph (a); and (ii) holds a protection visa; or (c) a non-citizen in Australia who is a member of the same family unit as a non-citizen who: (i) is mentioned in paragraph (aa); and (ii) holds a protection visa. (2A) A non-citizen will suffer significant harm if: (a) the non-citizen will be arbitrarily deprived of his or her life; or (b) the death penalty will be carried out on the non-citizen; or (c) the non-citizen will be subjected to torture; or (d) the non-citizen will be subjected to cruel or inhuman treatment or punishment; or (e) the non-citizen will be subjected to degrading treatment or punishment. (2B) However, there is taken not to be a real risk that a non-citizen will suffer significant harm in a country if the Minister is satisfied that: (a) it would be reasonable for the non-citizen to relocate to an area of the country where there would not be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or (b) the non-citizen could obtain, from an authority of the country, protection such that there would not be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm; or (c) the real risk is one faced by the population of the country generally and is not faced by the non-citizen personally. Ineligibility for grant of a protection visa (2C) A non-citizen is taken not to satisfy the criterion mentioned in paragraph (2)(aa) if: (a) the Minister has serious reasons for considering that: (i) the non-citizen has committed a crime against peace, a war crime or a crime against humanity, as defined by international instruments prescribed by the regulations; or (ii) the non-citizen committed a serious non-political crime before entering Australia; or (iii) the non-citizen has been guilty of acts contrary to the purposes and principles of the United Nations; or (b) the Minister considers, on reasonable grounds, that: (i) the non-citizen is a danger to Australia's security; or (ii) the non-citizen, having been convicted by a final judgment of a particularly serious crime (including a crime that consists of the commission of a serious Australian offence or serious foreign offence), is a danger to the Australian community. Protection obligations (3) Australia is taken not to have protection obligations in respect of a non-citizen who has not taken all possible steps to avail himself or herself of a right to enter and reside in, whether temporarily or permanently and however that right arose or is expressed, any country apart from Australia, including countries of which the non-citizen is a national. (4) However, subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country in respect of which: (a) the non-citizen has a well-founded fear of being persecuted for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion; or (b) the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen availing himself or herself of a right mentioned in subsection (3), there would be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm in relation to the country. (5) Subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country if the non-citizen has a well-founded fear that: (a) the country will return the non-citizen to another country; and (b) the non-citizen will be persecuted in that other country for reasons of race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion. (5A) Also, subsection (3) does not apply in relation to a country if: (a) the non-citizen has a well-founded fear that the country will return the non-citizen to another country; and (b) the Minister has substantial grounds for believing that, as a necessary and foreseeable consequence of the non-citizen availing himself or herself of a right mentioned in subsection (3), there would be a real risk that the non-citizen will suffer significant harm in relation to the other country. Determining nationality (6) For the purposes of subsection (3), the question of whether a non-citizen is a national of a particular country must be determined solely by reference to the law of that country. (7) Subsection (6) does not, by implication, affect the interpretation of any other provision of this Act. |
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People seeking refugee status?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VwwMF6biCJU |
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Thanks Henry, i dont know that law specifically so dont comment on the legalities.
Do you or BJT think its too much to ask that refugees we welcome into our country don't do us any harm and respect our country |
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Don't think it is too much to ask. I think it is too much to expect. We can't do that for ourselves, living in "the lucky country" where we generally don't experience anything like some of these people.
Also think it is ridiculous to expect on asking a question like that, to somebody that wants entry, to get any answer but sure sir, thank you sir, which part of your arse would you like me to lick now sir? The same way that if you asked anybody in the knowledge that a wrong answer would see them not get what they want, anybody in this country to answer the same way. What sort of people do our returned soldiers make? Across the western world, returned soldiers are a huge risk to society. That is what war does to people. It desensitizes them. In a perfect world, everybody would look after everybody else. But the world isn't perfect, people aren't perfect, and extemists come in many forms, with many different agendas. |
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BJT its not a question we should be asking, we dont ask them if the mind not murdering any one while they're here, just as we don't ask if they mind not speeding. The law purely and simple should be if you are a refugee who commits an offence serious enough to warrant jail time you will be deported. How hard can it be to not murder someone when you know (or at least we are told) that their life is in danger in their homeland?
Where do you suggest we deport Australian born returned soldiers to? |
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Dept. Immigration and Border Protection website:
This information is for people who have already been granted a Protection visa (subclass 866). It explains your rights and obligations. From 3 June 2013, condition 8559 prohibits travel by a protection visa holder to their home country, or the country from which they sought protection. Find out more about condition 8559 through Help and support - Frequently asked questions (FAQs). What this visa lets you do This is a permanent residence visa. It lets you and any family members who have also been granted this visa to: stay in Australia indefinitely work and study in Australia enrol in Medicare, Australia's scheme for health-related care and expenses apply for Australian citizenship (if you are eligible) sponsor eligible relatives for permanent residence travel to and from Australia for five years from the date the visa is granted (after that time, you will need a resident return visa or another visa to return to Australia). If you want to sponsor eligible relatives for permanent residence, you can do so under the family stream. In limited circumstances, you might be able to sponsor your eligible family member for this visa. Your obligations You and your family must comply with Australian laws. |
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Yes but we don't have the luxury of taking these measures to citizens born here, as nice as it would be to have criminals not wasting any of our oxygen here, we do have that option with those supposedly seeking a better, peaceful life in Australia.
The fact that our **** stinks as much as anyone's is neither here nor there. |
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Of course it is. You take a section of any random selection of people in the world, and you will essentially have the same subset of people with only slight differences.
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