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By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 03:10

Oct 3, 2014 -- 10:35PM, henryluca wrote:


"Lots of people know what to do, but few people actually do what they know. Knowing is not enough! You must take action. "....Tony RobbinsWD BJT for taking action!!Yes but it isn't about lots of people sharing one persons story.  It is about a lot of people having it in common.You inspired the philosopher in me ...


Don't wait for change.  Be the change.  Cool

By:
uncleee
When: 04 Oct 14 03:12
Law is not on your side.

Sportingbet looks to be following a thorough 'Know your customer' due diligence screen. Under the anti money laundering and counter terrorism financing act gambling institutions, banks etc. account are required to have an understanding of who they are servicing. Ever banked a large cheque/cash and the cashier casually asks 'sell a car did we?' - your answer would be written on down on your account as to where the money came from. The Patriot Act in the US is best known for state sanctioned torture, but it is also the equivalent of Australia's AML/CTF Act for customer due diligence.

Know your customer checks can be as basic as a 100 point ID check or can involve confidential information such as bank accounts, income sources, family and personal relationships with politically exposed persons.

The traits of a bowler account match up perfectly with the traits of someone else using your account for money laundering -> deposits going through multiple bank accounts, different IP addresses being used, inconsistent betting patterns. It looks for suspect for you  BJT, but you look just as suspect to them.
By:
uncleee
When: 04 Oct 14 03:13
The short of it is - CTF/AML is pretty serious stuff
By:
henryluca
When: 04 Oct 14 03:24
http://www.tabcorp.com.au/privacy.aspx

AML/CTF- Australian Money Laundering and Counter Terrorism Act


3. AML/CTF Act

Under the AML/CTF Act we may have to request further personal information from you 


2. Regulators

We may disclose your personal information to:

(a) regulators and law enforcement agencies; or

(b) respond to an enquiry from a government agency under State or Federal laws (e.g. about child support).

[i]If the AML/CTF Act requires us to collect information about transactions on your betting account, we may disclose that information to other betting and gambling operators, book makers and government authorities.  We will not tell you when your transactions are being monitored, or when we disclose any personal information obtained.   

If there is an obligation on us or a related body corporate to record any of your telephone calls, we may disclose those recordings as required by the AML/CTF Act, law enforcement agencies, and regulators. We will not notify you when we make those disclosures.



"HOT"
By:
Thebas
When: 04 Oct 14 03:28
interesting stuff unclee & henry

however .. the question remains ... are they now "1 million-point-ing" all the losing punters as well ?
By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 03:30
Doesn't fly.  I have used the same bank account since 2008 with them when I opened the account.  If there was an issue, the bank would have pulled me up over 250k in withdrawals from them.  Problem for them, is the account is in profit, so there is no funding of the account, apart from them.

And if my account was being monitored, it would be flagged for all deposits, from multiple betting accounts.  The amount bet with them is nothing compared with withdrawals and deposits to other companies I bet with.


The simple fact is, they are buying themselves time, as they are going to take Racing NSW to court IMO.  This is a simple ploy to get people to give up the fight.  I don't need to prove I can afford to bet what I bet when the account is funded by them.

And as thebas points out, if it was a concern for people betting what they can't afford, they would have to target their whole customer base, as that is their whole business model.
By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 03:31
Doesn't fly.  I have used the same bank account since 2008 with them when I opened the account.  If there was an issue, the bank would have pulled me up over 250k in withdrawals from them.  Problem for them, is the account is in profit, so there is no funding of the account, apart from them.

And if my account was being monitored, it would be flagged for all deposits, from multiple betting accounts.  The amount bet with them is nothing compared with withdrawals and deposits to other companies I bet with.


The simple fact is, they are buying themselves time, as they are going to take Racing NSW to court IMO.  This is a simple ploy to get people to give up the fight.  I don't need to prove I can afford to bet what I bet when the account is funded by them.

And as thebas points out, if it was a concern for people betting what they can't afford, they would have to target their whole customer base, as that is their whole business model.
By:
henryluca
When: 04 Oct 14 03:32
Puts in 10...takes out 8...puts in 10 takes out 8.......puts in 10 takes out 8......Can hear the laundry washing machine .....puts in 10 takes out 8

ding ding ding!!!

unclee:

The short of it is - CTF/AML is pretty serious stuff

Easy to look up the Act
By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 03:34
I have had 5 bets with them in the last 2 months, all being a mere fraction of my normal bets, all on sport.  They sent these demands out on the same day to all customers that received them as that is when they came up with the idea.
By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 03:37

Oct 4, 2014 -- 3:32AM, henryluca wrote:


Puts in 10...takes out 8...puts in 10 takes out 8.......puts in 10 takes out 8......Can hear the laundry washing machine .....puts in 10 takes out 8ding ding ding!!!unclee:The short of it is - CTF/AML is pretty serious stuffEasy to look up the Act


Yes, but I have put in 10, taken out 11, put in 10 taken out 11.  There is no extra cash being used than was deposited 6 years ago.  If they are suggesting that there is money laundering or fraud going on, then they are suggesting they have been permitting it for over a decade.  Looks worse for them than me.

By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 03:38
*over HALF a decade
By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 03:41
And every cent that has gone in and come out has done so via a bank account with one of the 4 big banks.  There is no cash deposits, no online wallets, nothing at all to warrant suspicion.

Simple case of delay, get customers to fcuk off, and rort the masses.  Business as usual for them while they set up their court case to challenge the decision of Racing NSW.
By:
henryluca
When: 04 Oct 14 03:48
http://www.austrac.gov.au/aml_ctf.html

The AML/CTF Act covers the financial sector, gambling sector, bullion dealers and other professionals or businesses ('reporting entities') that provide particular 'designated services'.

All provisions of the AML/CTF Act became fully operational from 12 December 2008.

The AML/CTF Act imposes a number of obligations on reporting entities when they provide designated services, which include:

customer identification and verification of identity

record keeping establishing and maintaining an AML/CTF program

ongoing customer due diligence and reporting (suspicious matters, threshold transactions and international funds transfer instructions).

The AML/CTF Act and the supporting AML/CTF Rules together implement a principles-based and risk-based approach to regulation. Reporting entities determine the way in which they meet their obligations based on their assessment of the risk of whether providing a designated service to a customer may facilitate money laundering or terrorism financing.

Under the AML/CTF Act, AUSTRAC is Australia's AML/CTF regulator with supervisory, monitoring and enforcement functions. AUSTRAC is also Australia's specialist financial intelligence unit.




By:
uncleee
When: 04 Oct 14 05:55
At the end of the day Sportingbet isn't in the business of entering into losing trades. The whole RNSW thing looks just like V'landys love for telling waging operators to "change their business model" a la Betfair and the turnover tax
By:
BJT
When: 04 Oct 14 09:20
The whole thing though, is on a par with price fixing.  Companies aren't allowed to do that for market competition.  These cowboys have been given a free ride.  Time to bring them in line with the rest of the world.
By:
Lets Elope
When: 04 Oct 14 12:53
Couldn't agree more BJT.
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