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Vince Accardi is a MYTH
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American trainers charged with fraud
Darryl Sherer - 25/11/2013 Three horse trainers and an employee of Penn National Racetrack in Pennsylvania, North America, have been arrested and charged with fraud in connection with horse racing at the course. According to a statement issued by the office of the United States Attorney, 39-year-old David Wells, 63-year-old Sam Webb, 43-year-old Patricia Anne Rogers, and 63-year-old Danny Robertson were charged individually in four separate indictments. Wells, Webb and Rogers, all horse trainers, are accused of devising a scheme to defraud those betting on thoroughbred races at Penn National by administering "substances prohibited from being introduced into a horse within 24 hours of when the horse is scheduled to race," according to the release. The statement lists several instances of the trainers each being found with hypodermic syringes in their possession as well as prohibited substances. Robertson was employed by the track as the clocker to provide racing officials and others with the official work times for horses at Penn National. He is accused of falsifying information in his reports. The indictment alleges that Robertson was given cash by trainers to provide false work times to racing officials and that profited personally from the scheme. Each defendant faces up to 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine if convicted of wire fraud or attempted wire fraud. Rogers faces an additional potential 20 years in prison and a $250,000 fine if convicted of the charge of conspiring to commit wire fraud. |
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Interesting story, Spy
Makes you wonder how widespread the practice of giving incorrect track times is. And whether it also extends to actual race times. And whether any inaccuracies in U.S. race times are due to technical imperfections or deliberate manipulation. Drugs are a huge problem in U.S. racing. They seem to be everywhere. And there are some drugs that are permitted in some states but not others. One of America's most famous trainers, Richard Dutrow Jnr, is currently doing a 10 year ban for a doping offence. They seem to really throw the book at them over there. |
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I would just like to clarify my post on the previous page, my belief is that Vince is not overly well served by giving tips on RSN.
His sectional times product is extremely good and for mine he should be sticking to that niche as that is his area of expertise. I have used his product at length and found it extremely beneficial. |
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Interesting topic - you would think with improving technology it should be possible to get accurate times for all tracks before too much longer. 1 second is a very big difference
I guess even if he doesn't get his times right if he does it the same way every single time he'll be accurate which is a good thing. Of course that's only part of the picture - 1.10 for 1200m is slow at Flemington but pretty quick at MV for instance. Add in country and provincial tracks and it's a real minefield |
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womble, he is accuracy has a tolerance of 0.04 of a second, which is 1 frame, so very accurate. The technology for correct times has been around for ages but the race clubs don't give a fk, the exception is RVL who have been more pro active by using his times for a lot of the Vic tracks
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PittsburghPhil • November 25, 2013 10:58 AM GMT
Interesting story, Spy Makes you wonder how widespread the practice of giving incorrect track times is. And whether it also extends to actual race times. And whether any inaccuracies in U.S. race times are due to technical imperfections or deliberate manipulation. 20% error, 80% manipulation. In the old days when they used to publish the trackwork times in the daily newspapers, the clockers might be asked by a trainer to post incorrect time or clocker might do it of his own accord and think he had an edge and bet up himself |
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thank Spy - my new approach is to focus pretty well purely on Sydney and Melbourne Saturdays so I'm hopeful those times, and the form leading into those races, are more likely to be accurate
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in the Yank racing the 3rd section (timewise) is all important as that is where the early speed turns into further aggression & explosion before the horse's breaking point is reached
in oz racing that "3rd section" prior to the straight is not always a given ... and is more dependent on the 'setup pace' of the race meaning which jock or jocks have been allowed to dictate and at what point and at what speed handicapping your jocks & the (likely) settling position is of greater importannce in Oz racing imo (as you already know the quality & ability of the horses) and yes Jim .. fitness also .. however that is determined individually |
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Danehill123
I would just like to clarify my post on the previous page, my belief is that Vince is not overly well served by giving tips on RSN. His sectional times product is extremely good and for mine he should be sticking to that niche as that is his area of expertise. I have used his product at length and found it extremely beneficial. Best retraction I've seen on here, Dane  |
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the theories behind what he does makes sense - find the actual speed horses want to go and see if they'll have the right conditions in the race they're in
lots of unknowns though - makes it all a bit hit and miss i think |
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SPOONHEAD
I agree with everything Dane said in his first post and his second was a clarification of the 1st not a retraction As you where |
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Could VA be blinded by his own science?
Perhaps VA is unaware his 'unique' conclusions are achievable and overwhelmed by other factors. I would estimate on their own they may contribute 10-15% of race assessment. A useful tool, but not the whole toolbox. |
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Probably best not to confuse his ability to capture race times, with his ability to interpret and understand race times.
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TINS - Crow is spot on, it was a clarification and not a retraction. As you were.
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Spot on DT and first - having the right information is only part of the process
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