current 4 yr olds restore some faith

spot on unclee - add to that list Alta Christiano and it was the best crop of 3yo's in the last decade

yeah forgot about him, his run in the sales race as a 2 yr old was phenomenal in defeat

Good thread.

It has been thin at the top for while but with the massive depth in that group the next three years of Grand Circuit racing looks something to be excited about

wow wow wow border control last half 53.9 @ addington

BOAL has let the thread down
AM 4/4
MM & G had great showdown at menangle
OP 1st up tonight and will be winning
FN being set for the hunter cup

genuinely excited about this crop, it's likely to be a while before see this quality again in a single season

Alta Christiano has done a suspensory

might not have to wait too long with the 3yo of this season - unbelievably (though a lot can happen before they turn 4)

cant believe TTL not in the noms for Hunter Cup, would have annihilated that field with the form he's in...

interdom heat too close to hunter cup may have kept TTL at home

a shame about alta christiano, the hall's sure do seem to break alot down

Vic Derby Factors
1. In last 12, 7 have been won by the Breeders Crown champ - 4/12 didn't contest the BC, the other ran 3rd
2. 5 of 12 winners were beaten in their heats, 4/5 were off light lead ins (lombo pocket watch is the exception)
3. the last 2 kiwis to win it both were beaten in their heats and 1st up in Aus (3/12 have been won by kiwis)
4. 9/12 had a brief Nov/Dec campaign, 2 starts or less

Vic Derby Preview
           BC    LeadUp    Nov/Dec Camp.    Kiwi 1st
Maxim          4th    1    3              Y
BIO          1st    2    3   
YR                1    4   
Lrock          2nd    2    0   
Brightside        1    6   
Motor S                2    1   
SkyMajor      3rd    1    3              Y
HectorJ                2    1   
MajorCrocker        2    5   
AllblackS        2    1   
AdamCart        2    4   
YoungMod        1    3   
MajorSecret  5th    2    1   
YayaHS                2    3   

- Bling it On as BC champ has already beaten the top contenders in a huge race
- Aussie Driver goes nuts about this every year but the heats are used as a lead in race by trainers
- Lettuce rock them probably had an issue to have been raced so lightly over christmas but he will be peaking perfectly for this and he's the one i'd want to be on prepost

ALWAYS BEWARE OF SOFT RUN RACES HEAT NIGHT

I will probably continue to make mention of this right up to the final Uncleee

What Odds Bling it On.
Looks another Chokin, could race in Inter

Not in same league as chokin, must have been pissed writing that

Agree ........ Chokin was a genuine freak of the sport. I am not sure Bling It On is even the best of the McCarthy batch going forward

Come on Lloydy you are better than that

boom kiwi 4yo son of Christian Cullen SAVEAPATROL wins his 10th race at start 13 out sprinting Terror To Love
at the end of the two mile Invercargill Cup today.......has flown under the radar for most but would make plenty take note now

and by the way CHOKIN was a freak but has to rate NZ's #3 3yo in my life time after Auckland Reactor and Courage Under Fire
who were both unbeaten and unbeatable.....Chokin wasn't, got beaten by Bonamax in the Gawler Derby ffs

and I do believe a certain legendary forumite had a lazy $30K on him that day....OUCH!

who's the best current nz 3 yr old VK, locharburn? looks a bit dumb atm

I concur with Locharburn especially when he learns to be a race horse or maybe he's just too dumb like you say
the top 2yo's from last season like Sky Major, Maxim and Cyclone Prince don't seem to have stepped up
maybe Isiah is underrated and may kick on
there's probably one in a paddock somewhere that we've never heard of who's gunna blow them all away

and what about 4yo Brigadier Bronski downing the glamour duo of Majestic Mach & Caesar Augustus at the creek yesterday
gave them wind burn as he breezed on by, clocked his last two quarters 26.5 27.7 for a 54.2 half (rounding up)
came from last running a sensational last 600 in 40.6 three wide

MM's first defeat in Queensland and ruined his 100% 13/13 at the track and CA's AP record of 10/11 is now 10/12

that race was shades of when slipnslide, be good johnny and blackie used to run mid week against each other

super high class race yesterday

Wow Brigadier Bronski, Baby Bling look out.

Bonamax!  Bit before my time but is he not the horse who we have to blame for all those disgusting Melton things that go around in Qld.  Filthy things.

lol LRO.....there's hundreds of those pesky things.....most with career records of about 100 starts for 5 wins
I get so confused with the Melton SomethingMax/MaxSomething......it's worse than Lombo Everything, Everything Lombo

but derrrrrrrr how did I forget Kiwi 3yo Tiger Tara, has looked super sharp this season
should be here for the Vic Derby instaed of racing at Addington tomorrow night

Cant be as bad as Craiglea's in QLD or Gee Gee in Tas

Hey VK dont ever forget Melton Mully

Majestic mach - views on how its going?

expected more myself there

Always been a bit overrated for mine Craig.

Guaranteed clearly the superior horse

Maxim 1
Major Crocker 2
Young Modern 3
Motor Smoker 4
LettuceRockThem 5
Puaua Fella 6
Bling it On 7

Sky Major 8
TezzKhora 9
Yaya Hotspot 10
Znana 11
Major Secret 12

Bad luck Luke/Belinda

I think maxim hands up to LRT because kiwis love to hand up, LRT wins from there

Not with Sky Major on his back, can't see it Uncleee

I just can't see a kiwi holding the front, I mean he handed up at the bell last week

How many times have we said heat night is completely different tactically? No way he hands up at that point last week if it were final night

if i owned maxim id be holding at all costs and id tell the media all week exactly that
but i just see mcarthy having a look at maxim and zac handing up and mcarthy probably hands up to bling it on at the bell

The last part of your statement is exactly why I can't possibly see Maxim handing up. Crazy if they do

it was bit tongue in check, if snr mcarthy finds lead on LRT and then hands up to BIO the punters should storm the track
at this stage i wont be betting, cant see any opportunities in the early market, maybe lay BIO if he stays that short as he will need a low percentage play to be winning from the draw

Tongue in cheek? You speak as if the McCarthy's have never done that sort of thing before.

I will be betting for sure, love the way this draw has fallen

I'm happy to be on Yayas each way at 40s, thought he was back near his best in the heat.

Chilli chilli chilli, no way does the current 3yr old lot hold a candle to this crop of freaks

Braun on Fire,
Nike Franco heavilly backed as well.
Got the Money there.
For a Reason is going to Cost me plenty tonight.
I wont sleep because of it.
Quads
1,4,5,6,7,8/4/8/1,3,4,9,10 64% Every Tote
1,4,5,6,7,8/4/8/6,7,8 108% Every Tote

Lloydy

5 from the chariots into the inter final, pretty decent effort

Uncleee how good is Spicy Stride in the scheme of things? Just beating up on a mediocre bunch or a genuine top class filly?

Reason I ask is how good is Braun's filly. Certainly went up a long way in my estimations after what she did to SS in the Raith

i think she is a class filly BUT not the top, her grp 1. win was in the NSW BC which imo is a very ordinary form line in any age every year. back in the harold park days she would be unbeatable due to her gatespeed and outstanding luck with barriers

the question is willow, i'm questioning how good she is vs. mark purdon hype. shes certainly no carabella or adore me willow in her grp 1. win the leader was 10x the run and smashed the clock which just flatters willow

prepost i'd be backing nike franco, think shes the best in australia and i question both spicy stride and willow