R.Waterhouse

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Must have a little bit of influence on the market - remember during the spring carnival they changed how they sent it out so people didn't miss out on prices. Now that might've just been a marketing ploy but I'm guessing if you get a a decent subscription base all betting the same way it will play a part.

Nothing from Mr Elephant this week - I'm guessing RW made a profit

If he did those who paid for it should be writing in here thanking me for naming and shaming him for that sh!t from last week

Have you seen his set for Rosehill Mr Elephant?

Rob's set from last Sat,

Race    Selection    Price    Assessed    Bet (Units)    Return    P&L
1    Ichihara    5.5    4            25            0    -25
1    She's A Fox    6    4            25            0    -25
1    Heart Testa    5    7                        0    0
1    Brave Soul    10    7            15            0    -15
1    Lady Of Harrods    18    17             5            0    -5
2    Julienas    3    2            50            150    100
2    Pelicano    7    6            10            0    -10
3    Bulbula            7    4            30            0    -30
3    Scandiva    7    6            10            70    60
4    Dothraki    4.2    3            30            0    -30
4    Sidestep    3    3            30            90    60
5    Thy            7    5            20            0    -20
5    Epingle            8    5            20            0    -20
6    It's A Dundeel    1.4    1.2            90            126    36
7    Sea Siren    7    5            15            0    -15
7    Howmuchdoyoulove11    6            10            0    -10
7    Golden Archer    26    11             5            0    -5
7    Unpretentiuos    13    11             5            0    -5
8    Havana Rey    7    4            25            175    150
8    Monton            10    8            10            0    -10
8    Famous Seamus    11    8            10            0    -10
8    Carlton House    6.5    9            10            0    -10
8    Voila Ici    31    9            10            0    -10
9    Catkins                            15            0    -15
9    Altar                             5            0    -5
9    Aerobatics                     5            0    -5
9    Ever The Same                     5            0    -5
                       
    TOTAL                           440          611    171

my math aint the best but shouldn't the last column be 121 ?
and that is assuming you got $3 Julianas & Sidestep who both started much much shorter
seeing they apparently send them out 10-15min before each race you are guaranteed to be on at or near the bottom price
you might as well just follow the TVN market mover

Still not a bad day Mr Elephant, and maybe you couldn't get top odds about a couple but Scandiva did pay 8.10 on tote and i'm sure longer was available on here

Enough for you to buy them spy and put them up here for all the desperates ?

No, I can't afford the 55 bucks, but if people want to buy them, I say let them as they're all over 18 and hopefully of sound mind

How much does the pension pay these days spy? i'm nearly there + i only bet in 50c units too so would have to back the card to break square
but the issue is the same, you can have a 1000/1 the sets would be 100% fair dinkum all the time

Depends if you're self funded or not, I am thats why I can't afford the 55

Mr Elephant,

As you said your maths is not the best........Return of 611 minus outlay of 440 = 171 units.
Prices recorded at time of recieving message, with the exception of It's A Dundeel who I backed best tote, the fixed price was $1.3 when the email arrived.

TheElephant 03 Apr 13 02:15
How much does the pension pay these days spy? i'm nearly there + i only bet in 50c units too so would have to back the card to break square
but the issue is the same, you can have a 1000/1 the sets would be 100% fair dinkum all the time

Mr Elephant, maybe you should ask Mr Carnegie his opinion on whether the sets are fair dinkum as he obviously subscribes.

Mr Carnegie there is a mistake in your math as well, Unpretentious was scratched yet you have it as minus 5 units, so your win is even better than you claim

Spy,

Right you are Unpretentious was scr'd at the barrier and I neglected to take it out, not a math error but my mistake all the same.

Yes I'm comfortable with the integrity of RW's sets - they were of much more use to me when they sent them out in full in the morning, since the change some of the bets have become problematic but that's an issue for me, it may or may not bother others. The problem with them coming through at the 10 minute in a way confirms the integrity of them, in that Rob's team has started backing the selections on course proir to the email going out and the price is gone by the time the email arrives. Julienas last week is a good example, it "top fluc'd" $3.4 but was $3 when the email arrived.......

count it again wombat the outlay was 490 units minus the 5
i suppose you subscribe to all the other crap on the show too?  believe in the easter bunny as well ?

Thats only a moot point Mr L R Fent, and If Mr Carnegie is happy subscribing, it shouldn't upset you.

Thanks for pointing out the error of my ways Mr Elephant, right you are there were 2 cells not being picked up in the total (2x25 units) so there you go, my mistake......

In regard to easter bunnies & wombats, if it makes you feel better to get that off your chest, I'm happy for you!

Mr Spy, you're right I am comfortable paying for information that is useful to me. I prefer to add and contrast it to my own work and that works for me but each to their own............

anyone going to put up the set from Saturday?  CarnegieH?

Tipped the program I heard Mr Elephant

oh man of the match the other bloke tips 4 in every race and gets 1 20/1 winner every 6 months he hasn't got much to beat

Must be going better than racenet MYM as I think they pulled the pin on it

gotta love journalists who charge for tips, nearly as bad as bookmakers

I'd be happy to put up a set, if that's what the public want? CrowFormGold

would make the Layers happy crow

go for it crowballs everyone else is, even bookmakers!  for the believers they are the blokes who take your bets, whose son would you believe also happens to be a bookmaker!,  and they want to tell you who to put your money on and even how much to put on!!!!!!   
and people actually pay them for this????
FOR FK SAKE

I'll pm them and LIH is blocked, same smart ass attitude as da judge

And to show you how hurt I was I posted it twice ffs

come on put them up someone, did he tip people in to MJ ?

Would be interested in Mr Carnegie putting up RWs set from Saturday

The rat inspector?

Nothing from the believers ?

According to Dallas Baker, Robby tipped MJ on top.

ouch

robbie tipping it ... and ... an assertion as yet still anecdotal & unproven ... that TW bagged it

... isn't sydney racing an interesting place

Sickening
No better than that goose with the fitness % fairy tales
Rorting the delusional

Is Mr Murrihy going to ask RW (the bloke who sleeps with the trainer of More Joyous, who treated the sick horse with antibiotics) why he told people to back More Joyous on his paid tipping service???????????????????????????????

Very good point Elephant.

Simple answer to that Mr Elephant, Gai never mentioned it, and Gai will confirm it by saying she never mentioned it to anyone as in her opinion it was insignificant. RWs book will show he backed MJ for a good result.

What would be interesting to know is, at what stage of the betting did RW & TW money go on? Not that i'm alluding to anything untoward, but would be interesting if it went on after Singo blew up.

About 3 minutes after Gai rang Tommy.

3 minutes? try .3 of a second, just joking, Gai was too busy to ring anyone pre race, after the race she probably rang Tommy to find out what all the kerfuffle was about.

Well they may not have many witness's, but they do have phone records.
Had to when i saw Ray's investigators as "a CRACK team". 

^^ described in the paper ^^

Some might say a team with cracks

I wonder if certain witness's in the case were Encouraged or Advised that they would
be better off not showing up?

Of course, that wouldn't happen would it?
Probably just my cynical mind.

Johns & Robbo are between the biggest rock and hardest place they could be, not for reporting to Singo, but because its against the Waterhouses

Eddie might get the title on his house back if he keeps his mouth shut.

The phone records, they're only what time calls were made, not conversations had, is that correct?

Think so. No conversations.
But i think Tommy said he hadn't spoken to mum all week.

Well he is so busy of a raceday, he can't remember everything

If they have more than 1 phone each, which theres a fair chance they do, TW may be proven correct

Coat Tuggers usually under a rock spy.
Re-iterate, Credibility and no Credibility
Johns already given stewards his statement" I coattugged Tom "whatya like,whatya got" Tom I don't like IADundeel,I don't like M Joyous
I don't like ATHard !! quote !
Then Tom "I backed MJoyous" ??? huh ???
Then the other Coat tugger(who couldn't appear due to fresh air phobia)
He said,she said i reckon, that means, I'm ringing Singo !!pleeeeease.

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Fair point.
That will confuse the CRACK team.

Johns last words were, he said shes off, Sterlo says and you still backed it, Johns answers yeah and they both laugh

Singo is a bit too smart too make the noise he has on what you say took place Mr Blackball

True spy but i also think ,in future he will 'decipher' words that come out of the maaaaates mouth.

I think he deciphered it 100% correctly, just that Johns & Robbo had no idea what Singo would do with said info, and thats what has them scrambling more than scrambled eggs

Some quotes coming out of the inquiry

"Not as bright as usual, hasn't laid down for a few days," a text from MJ strapper Dave Meijier to Gai Waterhouse

Gai was questioned over why records weren't kept of more joyous being given an antibiotic and an anti inflammatory injection.

More Joyous had sore neck & off her food on wed - unable to bend down to eat grass. Given regular anti-arthritis drug Cartrophen after that.

Gai Waterhouse admits horse was off her feed in days before race

The person who will learn the biggest lesson out of all this is TW, and you can all guess what that lesson is

if you have to ask you're entitled to be told a lie

Fair enough Elephant,So why did 2 vets give the all Ok on race morning ?
Now if they question the other starters in the race they will have much the same info.

Just heard it's all been settled, the Human 4 legged Wikipedia,Gareth is at the desk on Sky,we don't need to know anything else for the day.

How many vets have you seen pass horses fit behind the barriers and a lot of them finish tailed off 8ball ? can't see everything

Singos vet did tell him not to bet though, so he did see all was not 100%

50/50 elephant have noticed the last 6 months an Increase in the amount of runners withdrawn at the barriers, all over the joint.
Am thinking the Vet get's another $50 for consultation or Med Cert before the horse can leave the Course,another extra Gratis on Race day, everybody's in for their chop it seems.

after he'd already heard it was off spy?  think he'd already made up his mind
the fact that she didn't record the drugs given makes it even smellier
give the 3 of them life imo

Good point

I'd be happy if you all got fkd and left Glenn Pollett alone ...

Has anyone noticed how the last link necxt to "Vegas Slots" in the menu at the top of this page is "Bingo" ... and that rhymes with "Singo".

Why has Singo got his own Vet?

Why doesn't he see a doctor like everyone else?

Has Gai called Darren Binskin as a witness yet?

Looks like O_V_S has taken over the shift from O_V_B

who is OVS?

Skidsy

I don't get it

OTTO_VON_BISMARCK=Lazza OTTO_VON_SKIDMARK=TQ

gee thanks a lot c_nt!

OVB replies, strange reply imo

are they are a couple these days?

What was that comedy series staring Jack Klugman & Tony Randall called? oh thats it The Odd Couple

think hes roootin her

Greek style?

Not that theres anything wrong with that of course

Clinton Payne
6/05/2013
Singo fires off a barb at Tom during the hearing
More Joyous’s owner John Singleton stated "someone must have got to him [Andrew Johns], Tom [Waterhouse]” in a flashpoint during the second part of the reconvened inquiry into the mare’s below par performance on the All Aged Stakes at Randwick on April 27.

Singleton gave evidence that at 12.13pm on April 27 that he received a phone call from retired jockey Allan Robinson to tell him that More Joyous was "off”.

Singleton said Robinson told him the advice came from a "mutual friend” but refused to name the individual other than to state he was a "rugby league immortal”.

Singleton then called Andrew Johns at 2.25pm "to confirm where he was getting his information from” and Singleton claimed Johns told him he’d "heard it from Tom [Waterhouse]”.

Singleton told the inquiry he was unable to recall if it was Johns or Robinson but one of the two told him "it [More Joyous] would come closer to last than first” as "the horse was off”.

Earlier that day, Singleton had been advised by his racing manager Duncan Grimley and vet John Peatfield that More Joyous had been treated over the past three days for "heat in her neck”.

"What it did was take an 'if' or a 'maybe' to certain it could not win,” Singleton said. "First I heard the horse couldn’t eat grass was from Andrew Johns or Allan Robinson.

"Duncan Grimley said, ‘They are on the money’.”

Singleton then again called Johns about 15 minutes after the 2.25pm call and told the inquiry that Johns reconfirmed his belief "the horse was off” at which point Tom Waterhouse interjected and stated that nowhere in Johns’ statement was the ‘off’ mentioned.

"Someone must have got to him, Tom,” Singleton fired off.

The inquiry continues.

I would hardly call Tom Waterhouse a Rugby League Immortal yet.....

Just look at all these names ffs..Not one reputable name among them.. A.Johns is Bi-Polar isn't he.. Fkn hell, Racing finest.

Johns stated that he had two bets on April 27 "$100” on both "Coins and More Joyous”. He also stated he had no contact with anyone other than John Singleton but phone records confirmed that he had made a series of phone calls or text messages to well-known punter Eddie Hayson, who he described as an "acquaintance” and Newcastle trainer Kris Lees.

He has been weaving a tangled web for a long time

Doesn't seem to bother channel 9

Fck me,  the horse couldnt reach the ground for a feed, yet
they thought it was fine to race.

Racing NSW chief steward Ray Murrihy said "evidence from” Andrew Johns and Allan Robinson "is not in line” with their call logs.

I bet that comes as a shock to everyone

I wonder how many punters who live in the Newcastle area layed MJ on here?

Maybe judgey was in on it as well, he told me she couldn't win, his reason was she looked terrible in enclosure and behind the barriers. Come on judgey, cough up, did you receive a phone call?

"I never spoke to (husband) Rob or Tom about More Joyous before the race," Waterhouse said.

"Any conversations I had were of a personal nature."

I never spoke to (husband) Rob or Tom about More Joyous before the race," Waterhouse said.


... maybe not lol ... but surely the answer to any question should relate to 24 hours prior to the race


... any hardened punter who doesn't think MJ was right OFF on the day ... well what can i say


but who knew about it beforehand is what is interesting

tho who gives a fk about the punters eh ?

Johns placed a $100 bet on the horse to win the race, but betting records show that was not done until about 4.15pm - immediately prior to the race.

"The jockey can't think straight ... Nash isn't in a composed a situation as he normally would be joking onto the horse (with you there)," Mrs Waterhouse shot at Singleton.

"I am suggesting that (he didn't ride the horse well)."

But Mr Singleton rejected her claims firmly.

"Nash rode the horse perfectly," he said.

Mr Murrihy told the inquiry he had accessed the telephone records of all the main parties to the inquiry. ‘‘They do provide a very interesting matrix,’’ he said, to chuckles in the room.

fair to say I think waterhouses won that round

I may be drunk, Ms, but in the morning I will be sober and you will still be a ... [xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx].

Winston Churchill



... any relevant phrase would do in this sydney fiasco 

I may be drunk Ms, but in the morning I will asleep in my bed and you will be treading in horse sh1t

I hope Singo doesn't keep his Horses around Sydney, Because he'll have about as much hope as R Leemon.

You underrate Singo