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Is Black Caviar a freak?
Is Black Caviar a freak?
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Lets Elope I should not have even mentioned Frankel. But many Australians wanted to compare the two before the Queen Anne . Frankel is from another planet . Yes i would have liked to see Frankel race in the Arc. But Frankel did race from 7f to 1/5-16ths of a mile He was in the same mould as Vain which won 1200 metre races by won races by ten and twelve lenghths. Something Black Caviar has never done. Black Caviar is one dimentional. Let her go and she won't go much faster. She can't beat quality horses by ten and twelve lenghts the way Vain and Frankel did.
She simply does not have same brilliant acceleration. All i want is the name of another horse that raced in Australia of so called champion standing that has had such a protected and mollycoddled career.In my view Black Caviar always looked like she would run 1600. She was five years old before she raced once over 1400. Powderpuff. Like i said Vain never looked like running a mile and yet as an early three year old with up to ten pound over wfa, was thrown in against the best sprinter milers in the land like Black Onyx and Daryl's Joy. Daryl's Joy then went to America and broke Tullochs record for a mile and half. The horses Vain met were superior to the class and depth of horses that Black Caviar is meeting week after week. Anyway back to my original question. Can anyone name a more mollycoddled protected so called champion in the histoy of Australian racing than Black Caviar????????????????????? I can't think of one So was it Vain Manikato Luskin Star Takeover Target Sunline Tulloch Tobin Bronze Pharlap Ajax Kingston town. Gunsynd Bernborough Or dozens of others. Come on give me a name. |
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Congratulations KDR you managed to make an entire post without a c+p from the bowells of depravity. Keep it up.
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KDM ^
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Mr Elope, as the saying goes "you can't educate fools" tilt10 just by his name has already tilted 10 times, so its a bit unkind of you to tilt an 11th time. I notice he had no response to BC winning a G1 over 1400 then backing up 7 days later and winning a G1 over 1000m. How many horses in the world are capable of doing that? She's also won more G1s than Frankel has had starts, but he calls that molycoddled. WD tilt11
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I really think we should all give Tilt the benefit of the doubt. Its quite obvious to me,that at some stage in his life, he has been unlucky enough to have been affected by a sharp blow to his cranium.
 This would explain why he posts absolute rubbish,and also why his head is stuck permanently at right angles to his body .Hence the name Tilt |
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hey tilt...i guess winning a group 1 7f race and fronting up 7 days later against the 2nd best sprinter in the world ( hay list ) in the group 1 lightning stakes and not only winning it, runs 31 sec for 600m and a sub 10 sec (9.98 ) at the business end is that of a average champion of its era?
i assume you are a pom ? |
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tell u wat..Shae Shae was impressive last night at Maydan..no sprinter in the world,would of beaten it,broke the track record..speed machine ..
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Still no horse. Give me a name.
Come on Mugsy you are a racing legend, surely you must have a string of champions that have raced over 1200 and only over 1400 once that have been more mollycoddled and protected.. Think |
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Hey Mugsy i told you Black Caviar was overrated before the Queen Anne. You kept mouthing off about what a champion she was. I suppose you kept reading those stories in the paper about how she was better than Pha Lap. Funny didn't hear a word from you after the race. "Better than Frankel". Give me a break.
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How far did she get beaten in that race? Remind me please.
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tilt10 • March 31, 2013 3:56 AM BST
Hey Mugsy i told you Black Caviar was overrated before the Queen Anne First tilt10 says BC has never raced over 1 mile, then he says she raced in the Queen Anne which is run over 1 mile She has never raced beyond 1400m so maybe tilt can tell us when she lined up in the Queen Anne? |
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Please. Frankel travelled around 1500km in his race career. Black Caviar over 20,000km. So You Think, from memory was up over 45,000km travelled to race. You may remember Frankel chose to race in the 200k 8f race and dodge the 300k 10f race because SYT was in it. Didn't move up to 10f til he retired.
Mollycoddled? rotflmfao. BC was taken to England when she should have been spelling, to race in a no win situation. That was a race for the owners, had nothing to do with mollycoddling her, in fact it was quite the opposite. The trainer was under instructions to run her and he had no choice but to do so, even though it was against his better judgement. She is also a mare that has had constant injuries. She makes money by running and winning. She doesn't make extra money for winning by 10 lengths, so why bother, when all it does is decrease the longevity of her career. It is ok for Frankel to choose to race donkeys and push out to win by 5+ lengths, because he was retired at 4 and only wanted to run enough for a stud career. Never seen a horse protected as much as him. All they really achieved, was delaying his stud career by 12 months, because in the last 12 months, all he did was race the same races, against the same horses, as he did the year before. His stud fee decreased if anything, and he ran around for peanuts, dodging all the major races, and all the opportunities that racing in Europe offer that isn't available to the rest of the world, in the close proximity of all the neighbouring countries. In fact BC was put under duress to race in races across country ( a real country, not England which you could near spit across), simply to get her ready for a trip to England, to race in a race her trainer knew she should never have even bothered with. Hardly being moddycoddled. |
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Tilt clearly has his head permanently stuck up his own posterior.
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tilt, tell me why frankel is known worldwide outside england as "the cotton wool kid"
 you remind me of that guy who reckons he is straight but he's dyck is gay |
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I think you will get close to 1.30 about her in the T.J.Smith
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i heard it on good authority (my wifes cousins uncles niece who once slept with one of the owners cousins brother) that she will come to brisbane and then mebark on another tilt at england.
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Still sitting at $1.17 - has to almost be a lay at that price imo
Not a bad field she is up against, the inside draw could be a little tricky - a little risk this time I think In saying that, I hope she wins - she is an out and out champ and I'd love to see her remain unbeaten record |
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she beat 9 group 1 winners last time she won the TJ Smith and a in form haylist and she's going better than ever. lay all you like
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Who is tilt10, please
the old SC might have to come out of his shell if this discussion keeps going |
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I would like to see Black Caviar race for another 2 years lightly. take her to US , a turf race in Dubai or whatever no she appears more robust and mature.
Frankel was protected as all hell, I would see his progeny progress before getting too carried away with a service with BC |
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BC is great for racing and the punt, to rare a commodity for racing promotion to cut it short and take her from the tracks yet IMO.
In fact I am surprised racing bodies haven't sponsored her to keep going for a little while yet!! |
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Bel Sprinter must be a show at those odds. BC last run ran on a Good 3. The 3yos earlier in the night ran nearly 2 lengths quicker. Obviously tempo different so not saying anything about her losing that race. But as impressive as a 4 length win is, the time certainly was nothing special at all.
Bel Sprinter came home in 32.9 last start after breathing issues were rectified. Fast run pace obviously, but still an impressive run. Black Caviar is a super impressive horse, but I certainly don't believe she wins as easily as she looks to. She has a high cruising speed, and just because she is pulling up on the line because she is in front so far doesn't equate to her having heaps left in the tank. I think she is beatable here. If Bel Sprinter can be within 5 lengths of her at the 4-500, then she could go down. Obviously I expect her to win, but happy at 1.19 to have a lay. Not getting too heavily involved since it is probably madness to take her on given her record, but have a bit on Bel Sprinter to win, and 500 only against BC. Just think she is too short, and vulnerable. |
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nah it will not be a cake walk.
can get beaten , you never know. lot of stakeholders will want the run to continue though!! |
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what may be critical is how the race is run
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I reckon she will lead.
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unbelievable, same lot jumped on board knocking the greatest mare of all time heading into last years lightning stakes dropping back from 7 furlongs to 5 furlongs in the space of a week where records showed no horse in history had won even a saturday meet over these 2 distances in a week and you had hay list in his prime as was Buffering. what happened? she sustained 800 m of pure pressure on the field breaking haylists heart running a sub 10 sec ( 9.98 )from the 6 to the 400
she has a stride no horse can match some of you guys are unbelievable. |
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MUGS imo
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Unless I am mistaken megsy, now is not last year. ???
I certainly don't expect her to lose, but happy to take her on as I think she is unders. Just relax. Not worth getting worked up for.. |
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I don't think she will lead Mr Chocolate Eclair, but I do think Nolen will come out running and hopefully be able to get to outside of Rain Affair as he will want to get off rail so they don't sandwich him. Think RA comes out running, if worst happens and there is an upset I think it can only be Bel Sprinter who will relish the strong pace
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BJT I think BC is racing as well as ever
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And I think she will need to be...
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I think Black Caviar is vulnerable at Randwick tomorrow. I will take her on. Cheers
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you **** are ****g deluded, how the **** they going to beat her? she runs to her own gallop and it's proven to be far too strong of a gallop to any horse she's ever come across
this thread is full of guessers BJT: you don't expect her to lose, yet you are laying her GUESSER PERSONIFIED. and yes ****, the old SC is back baby! |
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I don't expect her to lose either but I'd be happy to lay her if i thought the price was wrong.
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I expect all
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