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Is Black Caviar a freak?
On Friday night we saw the wonder mare Black Caviar win her 24th consecutive race, again in easy fashion.
Is she a freak of nature?
I have had a chance to rate her fitness levels about ten of these starts and on Friday I believe for the first time in her career, trainer Peter Moody peaked her 100% Super Fit.
Black Caviar has massive strength factors in her hind quarters which are probably 20k heavier that the good horses. This is where she gets all her power drive from. Her strength factors, hypertrophic muscle on muscles, nutritional and fitness levels all rated 100% last night.
She is at least as big as great male horses as Manikato and Hareeba.
She is in the best fitness condition of her life, a far cry from at Royal Ascot when on the Tuesday trial rating 99% fit, it was all downhill in fitness to her Saturday win on lower 96% fit. Something was wrong and she raced 4 lengths below her best.
Another first was the prerace program undertaken at the track. It is the first time in over 50 years of racing I have seen that a trainer has got it perfectly right!
Black Caviar had a warm up in the parade yard for 6-7 minutes prior to going into the mounting yard. It takes that long for the oxygen in the blood, pumped from the heart to reach her feet. The 1st goal Peter Moody kicked.
Second goal; she was slowly galloped once on the track to the starting stalls. I am a long advocate the too many horses go too fast to the starting stalls and her slower gallop was perfect to stimulate her oxygen levels into her muscles before a race. Once behind the stalls it takes 90 seconds to re-charge those levels of oxygen used back into her system. Everything was perfect to give her every chance.
In contrast, as an opposite example, I recently saw a jockey go around and around at half gallop on his horse behind the stalls for at least 4 minutes in a race in Hong Kong. It ran last!
Vain V Black Caviar
I have seen both these great horses’ race and Vain was an outstanding sprinter in the 70’s that won 12 from 14 races, sometimes by huge margins only to retire with an injury. He is recognized as Australia’s premier sprinter until know and many debates are carried on in pubs and clubs who would win a match race.
I think over their pet distance of 1200 metres, Vain would be a length in front of Black Caviar at the 400 metre mark from home and Pat Hyland on Vain, would release the brakes and catch me if you can tactics.
Vain would skip 2-3 lengths on her because of his explosive acceleration but by the 150 metre mark Vain would be only 1 length in front with Black Caviar now in full flight. 100 out they are locked together and the whips are cracking for a sensational finish. Because of Black Caviar’s amazing strength factors she wins by a neck.
Black Caviar is a freak of stature and conformation, plus brilliance and we should all follow this once in a lifetime champion.
I would continue to race and yes, back again to Royal Ascot because the sad fact of freakish champion mares is that they rarely produce in the breeding barn.
Jim Conway CEO
On Friday night we saw the wonder mare Black Caviar win her 24th consecutive race, again in easy fashion.
Is she a freak of nature?
I have had a chance to rate her fitness levels about ten of these starts and on Friday I believe for the first time in her career, trainer Peter Moody peaked her 100% Super Fit.
Black Caviar has massive strength factors in her hind quarters which are probably 20k heavier that the good horses. This is where she gets all her power drive from. Her strength factors, hypertrophic muscle on muscles, nutritional and fitness levels all rated 100% last night.
She is at least as big as great male horses as Manikato and Hareeba.
She is in the best fitness condition of her life, a far cry from at Royal Ascot when on the Tuesday trial rating 99% fit, it was all downhill in fitness to her Saturday win on lower 96% fit. Something was wrong and she raced 4 lengths below her best.
Another first was the prerace program undertaken at the track. It is the first time in over 50 years of racing I have seen that a trainer has got it perfectly right!
Black Caviar had a warm up in the parade yard for 6-7 minutes prior to going into the mounting yard. It takes that long for the oxygen in the blood, pumped from the heart to reach her feet. The 1st goal Peter Moody kicked.
Second goal; she was slowly galloped once on the track to the starting stalls. I am a long advocate the too many horses go too fast to the starting stalls and her slower gallop was perfect to stimulate her oxygen levels into her muscles before a race. Once behind the stalls it takes 90 seconds to re-charge those levels of oxygen used back into her system. Everything was perfect to give her every chance.
In contrast, as an opposite example, I recently saw a jockey go around and around at half gallop on his horse behind the stalls for at least 4 minutes in a race in Hong Kong. It ran last!
Vain V Black Caviar
I have seen both these great horses’ race and Vain was an outstanding sprinter in the 70’s that won 12 from 14 races, sometimes by huge margins only to retire with an injury. He is recognized as Australia’s premier sprinter until know and many debates are carried on in pubs and clubs who would win a match race.
I think over their pet distance of 1200 metres, Vain would be a length in front of Black Caviar at the 400 metre mark from home and Pat Hyland on Vain, would release the brakes and catch me if you can tactics.
Vain would skip 2-3 lengths on her because of his explosive acceleration but by the 150 metre mark Vain would be only 1 length in front with Black Caviar now in full flight. 100 out they are locked together and the whips are cracking for a sensational finish. Because of Black Caviar’s amazing strength factors she wins by a neck.
Black Caviar is a freak of stature and conformation, plus brilliance and we should all follow this once in a lifetime champion.
I would continue to race and yes, back again to Royal Ascot because the sad fact of freakish champion mares is that they rarely produce in the breeding barn.
Jim Conway CEO
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Vain v Black Caviar
Great race for sure. But I'd still back Paleface Adios to beat them both if they ran it on the inner track at the Valley. |
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Or better still ... the Showgrounds
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Definiton of a freak. "An abnormally formed organism, especially a person or animal regarded as a curiosity or monstrosity."
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CEO of the forum I presume he means?
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Nah, just his lunchbox... Some goose trying to talk after the fact and sell ****. Lowest of the low.
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yep, she is
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value bet for mine i reckon you got it right
until black caviar came along i always thought VAIN was the best 1200m i had seen ive been punting for over 50yrs but now its BLACK CAVIAR from VAIN.. |
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only 4L off her best in England Jim?
are you serious, i would say 10L conservatively....can you imagine any of those hacks getting within a bulls roar in her newmarket win? |
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I will play devils advocate, 7l
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71??
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l as in lower case l, not 1 as in one
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Only reason she hasn't gone to stud is they can't find a stallion that will let her go on top
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Reckon Frankel has blue balls waiting for her 2 retire
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They are gunna have to rope in black caviar,cause if they just put em both in a paddock,Frankel will stay a virgin. Wont be able to get within 50 yards of her
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Everybody knows i cant spell, Normally Lets Elope finds it.
Breeding i mean. Let the Public enjoy |
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Wrong thread
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I need to sleep
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Frankel a virgin? Danedream is already in foal to him.
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So if Frankel gets to root the Cav who has to pay the service fee?
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It has been confirmed England's wonder horse, Frankel, will be available to serve 20-25 southern hemisphere broodmares this year, which opens the door for a covering of Black Caviar even if she bypasses Royal Ascot.
Juddmonte Farms general manager Phillip Mitchell told London's Telegraph earlier this week interest from Australian and New Zealand breeders had exceeded expectations and Frankel's owner, Prince Khalid Abdullah, had given his consent. "We have had a huge interest in Frankel from the southern hemisphere,'' Mitchell said. ''We have decided to make him available to a very small and select group of mares, which is something we have done in the past with Dansili and Oasis Dream. We have had no contact direct contact with the owners of Black Caviar, but if at some time they would like to discuss a visit to Frankel, we would be very happy to have that discussion." Frankel will have a harem of 135 mares in his first season at Juddmonte Farms' Banstead Manor Stud in England at a fee of £125,000 (180,000). It is believed Frankel's fee for the southern breeders would be £100,000, to assist with travel and insurance costs to England. Advertisement New Zealand-based bloodstock consultant Ric Wylie has been advising Australian and NZ breeders of the opportunity. He said Pencarrow Stud, in Waikato, owned by two of the country's biggest breeders, Peter and Phillip Vela, was intending to send two of its blue-hen mares to the 14-time winner. The Velas own the New Zealand Bloodstock auction house at Karaka and have experienced huge racetrack success, including the Caulfield-Melbourne Cup double with Ethereal. Australia's big three studs - Coolmore, Darley and Arrowfield - will no doubt find the availability of Frankel most enticing as they have mares in the northern hemisphere. However, they all have high-profile stallion interests in Europe. Coolmore shuttles Fastnet Rock, Darley has many of its star sires in Newmarket, including Exceed and Excel, while Arrowfield has sent Redoute's Choice to the Aga Khan's base in France for the first time this year. Applications are now open to Australasian breeders and the calibre of the mares involved will make for interesting reading. Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/sport/horseracing/frankel-opens-door-to-caviar-other-southerners-20130327-2gucn.html#ixzz2OjzEuzW4 |
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Sandown Summary and black bookers 27-03-2013
RACE 1. Il Cavallo top rated on 96% in field of first starters and won. Nice strong horse and may have a future in Saturday class. RACE 2. (9) Double Dee on 98% was our top rate horse all day and this lightly raced Filly looks set for a nice career now over more distance, was hopeless first 600 metres settling 2nd last and worked into the race from there on and finished off well and not that far from the place getters. No doubt 1200 especially at Flemington a black booker. RACE 3. No Bet on lower ratings of many horses. On 96% fit the filly from the Michael Kent stable, Demonstrable could win a bush race next start. RACE 4. Top weight Two Sugars on 97% fit was our top rated and just piped 20 metres out, but at $2.40 a place in a field of 7 was a good dividend. RACE 5. Gogonski was our top fitness rated at 96% and just failed to win with a good 2nd at $2.40 a place. with the last scratching of Van rossum, which I missed it then bought the field back to 7 runners, but paid 1-2-3 on the tote. RACE 6. I got it wrong with Glenmaura on 96% on top and ran 4th, he had suspect distance form over the 1300 metres and black book him over 1200 and similar type race. Mariella also on 96% fit ran a nice race for a good 2nd and again black book for similar type of a race. RACE 7. The Chris Waller trainer Rugged Cross on 97% fit was having his 1st start since racing in England won a tight due with stable mate High on Believing at double figure odds and on 96% fit ran 2nd. We got 1-2 across the line here. Be a bit careful of wagering on Rugged Cross as the hype will have him short priced next start and he really is only just above pony size and that will tell in better company. Rock Hit was a late scratching in the last (9) so one short in tips and the (7) was next selection. It made up $2k in exotic profits, damn. Tipping: 1 horse Tip, unplaced but black book Double Dee Exotic ratings: Top horse 5 tips: 2 winners, 2 seconds, 1 4th Members are over 4,000% in profit this week. Cheers Jim |
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Jim, we have a problem, I am currently launching a new reality home renovation show in America and I am told I will be in direct competition with some guy trying to launch a cooking show. Put your dukes up Jim, we are going to war. I am ready for the challenge of battling a doyen with your experience and intellect.
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FREE 1ST 20 only today parade yard fitness tips from Singapore SMS to you.
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Vain by four. Paleface Adios second. Black Caviar a tired third. Sorry the horse is simply not that good. The most hyped overrated protected horse to race in Australia in the last fifty years. No Australian sprinter has ever done what Vain did to older horses as an early three year old.
For two months before the Queen Anne i never let up on how this horse was the most overrated mollycoddled horse to ever race in Australia. I was proved right. Give me a gutsy war horse like Paleface Adios anyday. |
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How were you proved right?
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Sounds bit silly but i would respect the mare more if she was pushed to the limits and got beaten (not that its her fault she is winning exhibition gallops).
Makybe Diva, Sunline and Kingston Town are still my favorites. They took on allcomers and won better races. |
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Could not agree more Kye.
Great champions are pushed outside their comfort zones and get beaten. That adds to their champion status. Great champions of the past Like Vain, Sunline, Takeover Target. Manakato, [Kingston Town and Ajax] won from 1200 to 3200. Ajax won eighteen in a row,Zoom Top ,PharLap Paleface Adios were always pushed to their limits. So she stepped up at five and raced over 1400,when she always looked like she would get the distance. How gutsy. Powderpuff. |
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The 1400 you speak of was a G1, she wins by 3.5l then 7 days later drops to 1000m G1 and easily beats Hay List by 1.8l, yeah thats powderpuff stuff, some good judges here
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You been smoking the next door neighbors front lawn again,Tilt
---Ive seen lots of great horses.Manikato,Kingston Town,Dulcify(we wont ever know how good he might have been) Makybe Diva. .Not old enough to have seen Vain. Black Caviar is better than all of them by a long shot. Nolen has only let it go once,2 starts ago ,and it smashed a 25 year old track record. Would hold every track record if wanted to,but obviuosly might not have stayed sound. They have cuddled the horse for a reason. Too keep it racing for as long as possible. All those 4 and 5 length wins could easily have been 10length wins. NO horse has ever been this dominant. ps--YOu can only beat what your racing against. There are lots of group one winners that BC has made to look like hurdlers. Freak horse.Wont be another like it for a long long time. ps-Tilt---If you think Paleface was a champ,what does that make Maori's Idol?--Or did you forget Maoris Idol(trotter) sprinting past Paleface Adios (pacer), like he was nailed to the ground,up in Brisbane. Ps--The Idol and BC--best,most dominant, 2 horses ever seen by a long way.  |
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I give it to BC because what she and Moody have achieved has only been done by one other horse in 200 years of racing world wide .
One might say well Vain had more depth in winning distance and beating older horses. But many horses have done this over their careers. BC and is the ONLY HORSE WORLD WIDE to have done what she has done in her winning streak for around 200 years. People deride this achievement by saying she has been molly coddled and it's more about placement than ability. The facts do not bear this out, as if it is so easy to just rack up wins this way, then why is she the only horse to achieve this streak in 200 years world wide? |
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I will tell you why. If you put a three legged horse up against a good four legged horse five hundred times over the same distance then the four legged horse will win every time. Yes it is a sign of the times but the amount of hype that this horse has received is an insult to all the great Australin and international champions of the past. "Better than Frankel" " Better than Pharlap. What a load of crap. Black Caviar lines up against an ordinaty lot in the Queen Anne and nearly got rolled.One of the few times that he has been tested away from the skating rinks in Melbourne I have seen all the great horses in Australia horses over the last fifty years and Black Caviar is the most mollycoddled so called champion i have seen. Can anyone on this site name another great Australian chanpiopn that has been so mollycoddled? Then name the horse please. I can not think of one. I certainly wasn't Vain. The only freak i have seen on an Australian ractrack in fifty years. |
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I am not sure how many races you watched tilt...but I never saw her race against a 3 legged horse.
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How many times did the other horses travel to the other side of the world in the off season and win, with a broken leg nevertheless.
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I think tilt-head has got his legs mixed up.
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Is it a Risk to Mate with Frankel?
Could be a Dud. |
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Congratulations AFL. You've managed to make an entire post without a c+p from the Socialist Forum website. Keep it up son!!
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Frankel never ever left his own backyard and dodged every top class horse going around and wouldn't even travel across the channel to the Arc and you have the audacity to call Black Caviar mollycoddled.
BC has never dodged anything, she's even raced when injured and at the end of her tether after a long and arduous campaign and still beat a genuine superstar sprinter in Moonlight Cloud after having travelled halfway around the world to do so. She's been to every major racing state in Australia with the exception of WA and set Group 1 handicap weight carrying records won countless WFA events and smashed ones of the best sprinter in Australia for years in Hay List who in any other era would have ranked as one of our all time great sprinters. BC thrashes pointlessly Ortensia every time it goes around and Ortensia chalked up two international Group 1's during her last prep and the horses who finish down the track behind her floundering in her wake just keep on winning i.e. Shamexpress, beaten a furlong by Black Caviar in the lightning when she broke the Flemington 1000m track record first up which had stood for more than two decades, then comes out and wins our best sprint the Group 1 Newmarket Handicap at its next start. |