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By:
Aussie Driver
When: 16 Mar 13 09:58
Bayonet you are clearly involved with the stable and attempting to defend the indefensable. Either that, or you simply have no idea.

Bicarb/Blue Magic - its ok is it because others were also investigated? Blatant cheating with his drive on Hotasel is ok? Putting another driver at serious risk is ok is it?

Give it up - the guy is a diseased grub and there comes a time when QC's can't help someone like that. Has a roll call as long as anyones
By:
gardenstar
When: 16 Mar 13 10:00
G Cramp trained a horse called Bayonet in the 90's
By:
Back High Lay Low
When: 16 Mar 13 10:05
Someone's stolen my posts Whoops
By:
Bayonet
When: 16 Mar 13 11:14
aussie,
one of my posts has been deleted but have you found a winner at Mildura of a CO that ran sub 28 and didnt lead?
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 16 Mar 13 11:26
Obviously I am not going through the database to find such things, but only those with a connection to the stable such as yourself think coming three wide was a bad idea. Every other harness person holds a differing view.

I hope you are happy supporting someone who has been involved in such things
By:
Bayonet
When: 16 Mar 13 12:01
Cos you wouldnt find one
By:
Bayonet
When: 16 Mar 13 12:01
Cos you wouldnt find one
By:
spyvspy27
When: 16 Mar 13 12:23
Barney The Bot Slayer • March 16, 2013 8:22 AM GMT
I don't watch VIC trots, however I will throw my 2 bobs worth in regarding 2 replays Lloydy mentioned

If I had backed a horse at 100/1 that was travelling as well as HOTASEL was at the 300, i would have been at the fence abusing the Mug Driver for not pulling 3wide at the corner

Bayonet, Barney says it all, and he's talking about a 100/1 pop not a 1.50 pop.

Now you say he couldn't go 3 wide and win with the time the winner ran the last qtr, well he ran about the same last qtr as the winner and was never let go, the horse never spent a penny in the run, ie due to slow pace, but you say he didn't have 1.5l to give, yet he ran sub 28 qtr without being let go.

No one is saying the horse would definitely have won, but i'm sure backers would've like the chance to see if it could've won
By:
trotman
When: 17 Mar 13 03:13
Guys - I think Bayo makes a good point on the times - but also so does Spyman with his suggestion that hooking wider to get clear running was the right move, irrespective of whether he could catch the winner. It did appear that the horse went to the line "untested" as the Stewards like to say.

I appreciate the sectionals contribution of Bayo here as it does improve the perspective somewhat. I dont bet there, so hadn't looked into that much detail.  Sadly, most others dont either, leaving the unfortunate impression that the driver made a non-competitive choice on this occasion.
By:
Bayonet
When: 17 Mar 13 20:50
Thank you Trotman

Now taxi driver you would go the videos.

Last week raCE 4 C4/C6 not a C0 MILDURA last 2 1/4s 30.8    28.0  does that ring a bell?

Dick nose pulls off the fence at the 400? Oops hes loosing ground and lost his position.

But luckily dick nose pulls but to the fence but it still costs him 2nd.

And alot of punters the moral quinella.
By:
uncleee
When: 17 Mar 13 22:41
Bayonet the trick to watching videos is to watch the horse, not random other races... Hotasel is clearly a better horse than c0 company

I love the call at the start, 'the big firmer on the tote'
By:
Lloydy Trots Man
When: 18 Mar 13 12:21
After watching those 2 Videos i posted ill never bet again at Mildura.
He had 3 times to get off the fence and elected to stay on fence on not a 1.50 shot a 1.30 shot who came out the next week and **** in.

Yes Milne Posted Cramp wide a Race before and another race but cutting him off after the race is unforgivable in my book.
Imaging if that was a Horse like Smolda and had his legs crossed and came crashing down. Both Driver and horse could of been killed.

I liked Shane Cramp till then
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 18 Mar 13 22:29
Makes me laugh how someone on here is pretending to be some sort of form analyst when he is only trying to cover up the rorts of the stable he is involved with. Interesting how not one person who is impartial shares that view.

Seems the whole lot are in cover up mode at present
By:
eight ball
When: 19 Mar 13 01:03
Lloydy's thread majored around the Cramp incident at the finish and the eminent danger to horse&human.

The 'rort' drive was secondary(but no less important).

Gotta applaud Milne.
You race your 'camels'at a track that gets dominated by one stable,your not a complete nutter hobbyist so your actually out to compete.
The guys said, sitting back here race after race isn't getting me anywhere I can no longer be dictated to, so he becomes pro active.
Now the Leading stable's driver does his usual thing but encounters resistance and says what the fcks going on here, gets jacked off as its already happened earlier and decides to vent his frustration.

Pork pie hats could have asked Cramp the question, is it given that other drivers have to hand up ?

So for mine(20 cents worth)it was good to see a driver take initiative.
The interesting thing will be how the 'Schoolyard bully' reacts from here on in,think the best action will happen in the stabling areas of Mildura.
By:
jay peterman
When: 19 Mar 13 04:32
Lloydy check your messages for SC details
By:
Bayonet
When: 19 Mar 13 08:44
Eight ball,

I applaud Milne as well, going to Mildura each week when he has no chance and is only warming the seat for the return of Douglas.
By:
Solvalla
When: 19 Mar 13 13:53
Does Gareth Hall ever give himself CRAMP for his constant rubbing one out as he does over Shayne or his mate from WA who floats across from the West in a hot air balloon because his ego won't fit through the aircraft door?

At least cramp has a cheer squad outside the homeless bloke who lives behind the Mildura grandstand.
By:
trotman
When: 20 Mar 13 06:41
Stewards Report from 14/03/13

Driver Shane Cramp (Hotasel) was found guilty of a charge under rule 163(1)(a) for causing interference. Leaving the back straight on the final occasion, Mr Cramp directed Hotasel wider on the track when not sufficiently clear of Shes A Killer (Ryan Hryhorec), resulting in sulky contact being made to the legs of Shes A Killer, which checked and broke as a result. Mr Cramp’s license to drive in races was suspended for a period of 2 weeks. In assessing penalty the panel took into account that Mr Cramp pleaded not guilty to the charge, his very good driving record in relation to interference over a number of years and the interference suffered which was considered to be at the higher end of the scale. The suspension was deemed to commence at the completion of a 4 week suspension handed down by stewards at the Mildura meeting on the 07 th of March 2013.


Mr C must have read Lloydy's driving instructions on this very forum ?!?!?

Hard done by I say ... he stays in one week - gets 4 weeks.
He pushes out the next week - gets 2 weeks.

What is it they actually want him to do ?!?!?
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 20 Mar 13 08:48
Was likely a square up for the fact he should have got 12 months for the March 7 drive.

Aggregate result, he was granted a miracle
By:
Lloydy Trots Man
When: 26 Mar 13 11:05
Must of had Instructions to Pull Out as this thing can go.
Your Honer i made a Mistake lst start staying on the fence on a Horse that was 20mt better than the Field so please only give me 4 week as we made enough to pay for feed for a year.
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 26 Mar 13 11:13
Disgraceful, anyone defending him is obviously in on the rort

Note C1's went sub 58 half and sub 28 quarter again tonight
By:
bigted.
When: 26 Mar 13 12:39
Lot of haters in the red hots aye..
By:
trotman
When: 27 Mar 13 00:27
Cmon Lloydy - you think that anyone pulling a swifty [no allegation implied here] would be spending the proceeds on FEED ? :-)
By:
Bayonet
When: 27 Mar 13 09:39
Well done Aussie on noticing the C1 times.

And guess what the leader won again.
By:
PardonThePun
When: 10 Apr 13 10:22
I see Cramp is back driving Mildura cup night, gee that was a quick 7 months
By:
gardenstar
When: 11 Apr 13 06:49
The Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT) have granted a stay to Mr Shayne Cramp with regard to the recent periods of suspension imposed upon Mr Cramp’s driving licence by the Harness Racing Victoria (HRV) Racing Appeals and Disciplinary (RAD) Board .
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 11 Apr 13 11:05
lol what a complete cheat

and guess who was his partner in crime again, N Jack!! AMAZING

Were you in on this one Bayonet or was the Jack/Cramp fraud just another 'coincidence'?
By:
gardenstar
When: 11 Apr 13 11:12
Embarrassing....he continues to send the sport further down the gurglar
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 11 Apr 13 11:19
As I have said before, anyone who defends him is a fraudster themselves.

What just happened then was beyond even his normal cheating standards.

Jack continues to prove what a grub he is as well. He is invariably the 'other party'
By:
Wat Smol
When: 11 Apr 13 12:08
Hotter than Hotasel!!
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 11 Apr 13 12:54
I wonder if there will be some sort of sectional that someone quote to defend the decision this time.

This grub needs all the QC's his fraudelently earned money can afford.

You are right Wat Smol, that was worse than Hotasel
By:
Wat Smol
When: 12 Apr 13 10:27
No stewards report posted yet, but i have been told that Nathan got 6 weeks.
By:
Aussie Driver
When: 12 Apr 13 10:39
Deafening silence from Bayonet after having a lot to say last time.

Maybe he now realises his mate is a BONA FIDE CHEAT
By:
Bayonet
When: 12 Apr 13 17:50
Taxi driver,
remember taxi I asked you to find a video of a horse coming from behind in a CO in a race at Mildura Mildura and winning?
DEAFENING SILENCE
aND THEN ON ANOTHER POST YOU SAY ITS DISAPOINTING THERE IS ONLY 7 RACES AT MILDURA ON OPENING NIGHT

Have a think?
Its TIP RATS like you bagging Mildura?
By:
littlegypt
When: 14 Apr 13 00:51
hope the boys got plenty race 8 Mildura last night-Swan Hill seems money well spent do they ever race there
By:
PardonThePun
When: 12 May 13 09:31
What is going on with Cramps many suspensions?????

How on earth can he still be driving, he was found guilty of the worse possible charge of foul driving - got disqualified for 6mths, appealed - lost - got varied to a 6mths suspension and 10k fine AND HES STILL DRIVING. Plus he had another 6 weeks worth of charges that he appealed and lost, WTF???
By:
Solvalla
When: 12 May 13 11:41
PTP it is the only sport I know that worships the filth in it.

If you are a grub then you will go a long way in harness racing.

Football codes cherish and celebrate their heroes. Harness racing promotes and puts up on the pedestal the sports trash.

Cramp will be doing HRV ads, running a club or holding some high position before we know it.
By:
Solvalla
When: 17 May 13 15:19
If you ever needed a reason not to bet at Mildura just look at Mildura trots today and the Cramp horses. Enough said.
By:
uncleee
When: 20 May 13 04:42
why is mcarthy still driving? what possible evidence would they need extra time to find? probably going to show some of shayne cramps drives as evidence thats its normal to drive them like that
By:
Solvalla
When: 22 Dec 13 22:25
More Cramp news.

http://www.harness.org.au/news-article.cfm?news_id=22351

Is that Matt Leppard the same Matt Leppard who is an AFL umpire?
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