Sunday, March 03, 2013

Tony Abbott's scripted lies about #NBN costs

Taken from a doorstop interview, (the only style of interview Abbott does in this election year....unless he does it with someone from MURDOCH, or Alan Jones or a shock jock.)

QUESTION:
Are you going to make Malcolm Turnbull the Treasurer?

TONY ABBOTT:
Malcolm is the Shadow Minister for Communications. He’s doing a really good job of exposing the fact that the National Broadband Network is a complete white elephant. He’s doing a very good job of promoting our real solution, which is national broadband that doesn’t involve digging up every street to deliver fibre to the home whether you want it, need it or can afford to pay three times the current price for it. He’s doing a very good job and I expect that Malcolm will be the Communications Minister in an incoming government.
Source: http://www.tonyabbott.com.au/News/tabid/94/articleType/ArticleView/articleId/9083/Joint-Doorstop-Interview-Leumeah.aspx

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A report from the AGE on the same day....


NBN users report no hike in bills
Date March 3, 2013

Jonathan Swan
National political reporter

FEARS that consumers would be hit with massive bills after signing up to the national broadband network may prove groundless, with new research finding almost two-thirds of customers pay the same or less than before.

After interviewing 282 households in Brunswick, one of the first neighbourhoods in Australia connected to the NBN, researchers from the University of Melbourne and Swinburne University of Technology found 63 per cent of households that joined the NBN reported their internet bills had either stayed the same or decreased. About 26 per cent said their bills had increased somewhat.
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''Some of the reporting or debate around [the NBN] has been the potential for an increase in household costs for internet when people take up the broadband,'' said Bjorn Nansen, a research fellow from the department of computing and information systems at the University of Melbourne. ''From our standpoint, costs do not dramatically increase when you're shifting from other broadband to high-speed broadband on the NBN. Some people are paying less, most people are paying about the same.''

According to Dr Nansen, one of the reasons most people did not end up paying more for the NBN was that some households substituted their landline telephone for a VoIP phone (which allows telephone calls to be made over the internet for free, as with Skype).
The researchers received funding from the Australian Communications Consumer Action Network (ACCAN), the peak consumer body in the telecommunications sector.

Surprisingly, the first households to adopt the NBN in Brunswick tended not to be Xbox-loving, twentysomething, male tech-heads, but rather families with children (59 per cent) and home owners (63 per cent).

Those who were renting or sharing apartments were less likely to sign up to the NBN because they needed to get permission from their landlords, Dr Nansen said.

The families who signed up to the NBN also tended to be wealthier. More than half of those who bought plans on the network had a household income greater than $100,000 a year, compared with about 35 per cent of ADSL and wireless-connected households.
It is too early to draw sweeping conclusions from the Brunswick study, Dr Nansen said, but the results do suggest people's motivations for joining the network.

''People on the NBN are much more likely to be working from home,'' he said. ''It facilitates teleworking. Quite a few said that they increased the number of devices in the home.''

The research does not suggest the NBN has transformed its users into teleworking wizards; it is more likely the other way round.
But parents who are already worried their children spend too much time online might be troubled to hear 62 per cent of the households that had taken up plans on the NBN reported they were now using ''somewhat'' or ''a lot'' more internet at home.

Between 2011 and 2012, the number of households in the Brunswick site that had an active NBN connection rose from 20 to 36 per cent, but Dr Nansen said this was still low compared with other areas around Australia where the network has been built.

Demography contributed to Brunswick's lower take-up, he said. The suburb has a higher than average proportion of residents from non-English-speaking backgrounds and a higher proportion of shared households and renters.

Most of those surveyed (82 per cent) thought the NBN was a good idea. This supports national research showing the NBN is Labor's most popular policy - with about 70 per cent of the population in favour of it.



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This bloke is just a serial liar. On the same day he spreads his lies on  his own website, we have an article that demonstrates his lies. He can't open his big mouth witout uttering a blatent lie....in order to try and scare the community.

Not only that…… this article says that a signifigant percentage of NBN take ups, ACTUALLY ARE PAYING LESS THAN BEFORE…OR ARE PAYING ABOUT THE SAME AS BEFORE………. FAR FAR FROM THE TRIPLE THE PRICE……… LIES THAT ABBOTT IS ALLOWED TO SPREAD BY THE MSM.

Indeed imagine if it was Julia Gillard telling us that a Liberal Policy was going to cost triple it’s real cost, and they had evidence to prove it wasn’t……they would be all over the front  pages calling her a liar.

ABSOLUTE SCUMBAG JOURNALISTS.

More proof that the media in this country is determined to get Abbott into the lodge and he can lie to his heart’s content in this election year….because not one person in the MSM is going to call him into account for it.

This has to be the most vomit inducing speech given by a political leader and potential PM in this country's history.
(THE TRUTH IS IN THE BRACKETS)

Plutocrats puppy: Tony Abbott’s speech at IPA birthday bash
Posted by admin in Politics on 6 April, 2013 3:12 pm / 10 comments

In a stark reminder of the forces forcing Abbott onto the Australian people, in a speech this week, Tony Abbott fawns over the reactionary think tank, obsequiously sucks up to mining magnate Gina Rinehart and sings paeans of praise to media monopolist Rupert Murdoch.

Andrew thank you so much for that truly lovely introduction. All I can say is: I prefer your judgments to your reminiscences!

Mr Premier, Mr Lord Mayor, Your Eminence, parliamentary colleagues, I don’t want to single anyone out because there are so many of them here but I should particularly mention the Shadow Attorney-General George Brandis who did such magnificent work in opposing the current government’s attacks on free speech, family members of the founder of the IPA, CD Kemp, Gina Rinehart, who has given what I’m sure is the best speech that any one will give tonight, ladies and gentlemen.

At one level, tonight we celebrate the 70th birthday of the Institute of Public Affairs; but at a deeper level we celebrate things that are timeless – the freedom that our civilisation has nurtured and the faith that has nurtured our civilisation. In celebrating the IPA, we celebrate its calling which is to support and sustain the public culture which has shaped our country and influenced so well the wider world.

In the Garden of Eden that Adam and Eve.......(IS THIS A PRIEST GIVING THIS SPEECH?) could do almost as they pleased but freedom turned out to have its limits and its abuses, as this foundational story makes only too clear. Yet without freedom we can hardly be human; hardly be worthy of creation in the image of God. From the Garden of Eden, to the Exodus, Athenian democracy, the Roman Senate, Magna Carta, the glorious revolution and American independence, the story of our civilisation has been the story of freedom and our struggles to achieve it.

Freedom, ladies and gentlemen, is what we yearn for but it can only exist within a framework of law so that every person’s freedom is consistent with the same freedom for everyone else. This is what the poet Tennyson meant when he described England as “a land of just and old renown, a land of settled government where freedom broadens slowly down from precedent to precedent”. At least in the English speaking tradition, liberalism and conservatism, love of freedom and respect for due process,(LIKE TRASHING PARLIAMENT, AND ALLOWING DUE PROCESS TO SLIPPER AND THOMSON) have been easy allies.

The IPA, I want to say, has been freedom’s discerning friend. It has supported capitalism, but capitalism with a conscience.(A GUILTY CONSCIENCE) Not for the IPA, a single-minded dogmatism or opposition to all restraint; rather a sophisticated appreciation that freedom requires a social context and that much is expected from those to whom so much has been given. You’ve understood that freedom is both an end and a means; a good in itself, as well as necessary for full human flourishing.

I particularly congratulate the IPA and its marvelous director, John Roskam, for your work in defence of Western civilisation. Contemporary Australia has well and truly – and rightly – left behind the old cult of forgetfulness about our indigenous heritage.(OR SLEEPYNESS LIKE THE DAY A GROUP OF FEMALE ABORIGINAL ELDERS MADE A 3 DAY LONG TRECK TO TALK TO A PARLIAMENTARY COMITTEE AND ABBOTT WALTZED IN LATE...DID NOT APOLOGISE SAT DOWN AND WENT TO SLEEP) Alas, there is a new version of the great Australian silence – this time about the Western canon, the literature, the poetry, the music, the history and above all the faith without which our culture and our civilisation are unimaginable.

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you”(EXCEPT IF YOUR NAME IS HANSON,SLIPPER,THOMSON,GILLARD) is the foundation of our justice. “Love your neighbour as you love yourself” is the foundation of our mercy. Faith has weakened but not, I’m pleased to say, this high mindedness which faith helped to spawn and which the IPA now helps to protect and to promote.

I want to say of the IPA that, unlike some other bodies dedicated to the promotion of an ideal, the IPA has never been too proud or too pure to campaign for its beliefs or to take sides in a good cause. Your campaign against the bill of rights caused a bad government to capitulate. You campaigned against the bill of rights because(PEOPLE SHOULD NOT HAVE RIGHTS) you understood that a democratic parliament, an incorruptible judiciary and a free press,(FREE TO SAY AND DO AS THEY LIKE EVEN IF IT IS UNTRUE) rather than mere law itself, were the best guarantors of human rights.

You campaigned against the legislative prohibition against giving offence(LIKE ANDREW BOLT DID) and I’m pleased to say that the author of those draft laws is now leaving the parliament. Well done IPA! And, of course, you campaigned against the public interest media advocate, an attack dog masquerading as a watchdog,(AS OPPOSED TO THE DAMP LETTUCE THE NEWSPAERS GET HIT WITH IF THEY DO WRONG NOW) designed to intimidate this government’s media critics( MURDOCH THE PERSON FOUND TO BE NOT A FIT AND PROPER PERSON TO RUN A NEWSPAPER COMPANY, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE HIS PHONE HACKING DEFENCE)  and that legislation was humiliatingly withdrawn. John, whatever you did to persuade independent members of parliament, please, give it to me!

John, you’ve done very well with just 20 staff – but remember what Jesus of Nazareth did with just 12 and one of them turned out to be a rat!

John, there is one campaign where you will not prevail – namely your urgent advice to me in the IPA Review last August to be more like Gough Whitlam.(A PRIME MINISTER WITH INTEGRITY) You had a great deal of advice for me in that particular issue and I want to assure you that the Coalition will indeed repeal the carbon tax, abolish the Department of Climate Change,(BUT YOU BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE) abolish the Clean Energy Fund.(BUT YOU BELIEVE IN CLIMATE CHANGE DON'T YOU) We will repeal Section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act,(THAT'L STUFF THE BOAT PEOPLE) at least in its current form.

We will abolish new health and environmental bureaucracies.(STUFF THE ENVIORNMENT AS WELL)  We will deliver $1 billion in red tape savings every year.(ANYTHING THAT HINDERS GINA AND RUPERT) We will develop northern Australia( AND BRING IN OVERSEAS WORKERS TO WORK FOR A FEW DOLLARS AN HOUR LIKE GINA REQUESTED). We will repeal the mining tax.(GINA) We will create a one stop shop for environmental approvals.(MUCH EASIER TO RUBBER STAMP THEM THAT WAY)

We will privatise Medibank Private. We will trim the public service (YES THE PUBLIC DONT WANT SERVICE) and we will stop throwing good money after bad on the NBN.(RUPERT TOLD ME THE INTERNET IS THREATENING HIS MONOPOLY ON PUBLIC DISCOURSE AND WE WILL MAKE THE PUBLIC PAY TOP DOLLAR TO TAKE THE FIBRE FROM THE NODE TO THE PREMISES)

So, ladies and gentlemen, that is a big “yes”(I HAD TO LOOK THAT WORD UP) to many of the 75 specific policies you urged upon me in that particular issue of the magazine….but Gough Whitlam I will never be!(BECAUSE HE IS A GENTLEMAN)

Now, as it happens, John Roskam is not the only member of this audience to have had some regard for Gough Whitlam. Based on his papers’ 1972, support for the Whitlam Government our guest of honour tonight was once described as a “recovering socialist”. I suspect we will discover later on just how completely he has been cured!

John Howard has said that Rupert Murdoch has been by far Australia’s most influential international businessman;(HE ALSO TOLD US SADAMM HAD NEWKS) but I would like to go a little further. Along with Sir John Monash, the Commander of the First AIF which saved Paris and helped to win the First World War, and Lord Florey a one-time provost of my old Oxford College, the co-inventor of penicillin that literally saved millions of lives, Rupert Murdoch is probably the Australian who has most shaped the world through the 45 million newspapers that News Corp sells each week and the one billion subscribers to News-linked programming.(NOT TO MENTION THE PHONE HACKING...WHICH HELPED SHAPE A FEW THINGS)

Rupert Murdoch has sometimes changed his political allegiance( FOR LEVERAGE)  but he’s never changed his fundamental principles.(BECAUSE HE LACKS THEM)

At least since the mid-70’s, those have been greater personal responsibility, smaller government,(BECAUSE A GOV'T SERVES THE PEOPLE, SO WE SHOULD HAVER LESS OF THAT BECAUSE IT HINDERS GINA AND RUPERT) fewer regulations,(BECAUSE PESKY REGULATIONS JUST FURTHER  HINDERS GINA AND RUPERT) and support for open societies that don’t build walls against the world.(END OF PRAYER ....AMEN)

(This speech was given at the IPA 70th birthday event this week, MC’d by Andrew Bolt, with Rupert Murdoch as guest of honour and also featuring a speech by Gina Rinehart. The text is republished (edited,in brackets) from Tony Abbott’s personal website.)

I THOUGHT WE HAD TO HAVE AN ELECTION FIRST.

Kye posted

Worst thread ever.

Can you please explain again why Abbott should be sacked?? i'm sure everyone interested in hearing your biased views again.
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Here's Why.

Her father’s sudden death while she was at the 2012 APEC Summit set the stage for the most hurtful insult ever directed at any Australian prime minister.

A few days after John Gillard’s funeral, at a $100-a-head Sydney University Liberal Club dinner, Alan Jones made his heartless remark that the Prime Minister’s father “died of shame.”

Advertisers began boycotting Jones in droves. Malcolm Turnbull commented on a social networking site, “Alan Jones’ comments about the late John Gillard were cruel and offensive.”



However, Abbott gave a half hearted criticism and said he would not register a protest for decency in broadcasting by refusing to be a guest on Jones’s show saying he would appear on it in the future.

Gillard simply ignored Jones’ comment.

Then on 10 October, Abbott launched yet another of his shrill censure motions in question time to attack the prime minister.

He used the word “shame” throughout the speech and then delivered the callous finale – that she led “a government which should already have died of shame.”

It was premeditated and intended to hurt.

If Jones had stuck the knife into Gillard, Abbott had now cruelly twisted it in the wound. He showed he was not only a sexist but a sadist as well. Later on 2UE he was to deny that he had intended any connection to Jones’ comments.

Given the furore and publicity over Jones’ remarks, which dominated the political news for days, this defence was disingenuous and cowardly.
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THAT IS WHY THIS PRI CK IS NOT FIT TO LEAD ANYTHING ......LET ALONE A COUNTRY.

crikey .. if abbott is that bad lol ... it just shows how much WORSE the deciever is going 


http://au.news.yahoo.com/nsw/latest/a/-/newshome/16762980/poll-reveals-abbott-s-popularity-post-misogynist-speech/

Tony Abbott is now more popular as leader among women voters than Julia Gillard.

The surprise result is revealed in an exclusive 7News-ReachTel poll, that comes months after the Prime Minister labelled him a
misogynist.

Tony Abbott now leads among women voters 52-48, and he's way ahead, 62-38, among men.


.... really guys ... she HAS to go 

So if ABBOTT is consistent and not a hypocrit.....he should stand down until he proves his inocence.

Just like he demanded Thomson stand down, before any charges were laid....because it was a tainted vote.

Will ABBOTT the LIAR accept his own vote?
Will Abbott the LIAR scurry out of Parliament the next time he has to vote, so he doesn't TAINT the LIBERAL PARTY?

Tony Abbott’s mugging produces a one-sided affair

Posted by MatthewDonovan in Media, Politics on 7 May, 2013 8:05 pm / 5 comments

Hate and vitriol toward our prime minister, mostly by shock jocks, has reached fever pitch — an atmosphere unleashed by Abbott’s aggressive style. Michael Taylor comments.


2gb

IF I WERE to be asked which side of politics indulged in the practice of ‘playing the man, not the ball’, I’d reply that it’s a one-sided contest. The ‘Right’ wins in a canter. By the ‘Right’ I refer to not just the members of the Coalition but their supporters and the right-wing media.

I’m assured by many from the Right that the ‘Left’ has its fair share of trolls, muggers and attack dogs, but I’m sorry — I can’t find them anywhere. At least not the places I frequent; the media – old and new.

The old media sets a bad example – or I should say a good example? – of ‘playing the man’ (or woman).

Here are some recent examples that – of the many available – come to mind:

◾After Senator Conroy announced proposed changes to media laws, who did we see attacked? The laws or Senator Conroy? Conroy, of course, and it got personal when he was likened to one of history’s greatest mass murderers, Joseph Stalin. We saw little dissection or even debate on the policy or its implications. The best the media and the Opposition could do was attack Senator Conroy in the most vile way they legally could.

◾When refugees drowned off Christmas Island in 2010, who did we see attacked? Not the people smugglers, but Julia Gillard who according to one fanatical right-winged mouthpiece had blood on her hands. The attack was rabid.

◾When four people tragically died providing home insulation under the Rudd Government’s home insulation program, who did the media blame? Minister Peter Garrett, of course. Were they interested to seek answers about why or how these people died, or how future deaths could be prevented? No, they weren’t. They preferred to play the man.



It contrasts to how the Left react.

Take recently, when the Opposition released their NBN policy – the details I needn’t go into – it was not well-received. But who or what was attacked? The policy. Nobody played the man; they played the ball. Sure, people made fun of it because after all, it was a dud. Can we really expect those of the Right to play the ball when the man who oversees the demise of political integrity in this country, Tony Abbott, has turned ‘playing the man’ into an art form?

I used to think that John Howard was a mean-spirited, nasty piece of work, but in comparison to Tony Abbott he appears as kind, caring and compassionate as Mother Teresa.

Tony Abbott is far, far more mean-spirited. He demonstrates this in the way he ignores human misery and the way he belittles those who are suffering from it. He is, in a nutshell, nasty to the core.

Stories surface that he’s been inherently nasty for as long as people have known him, but it wasn’t until 2005 that I first took notice of his extreme level of nastiness and lack of compassion for human misery when it was hoisted onto the national stage. It came only hours after the NSW Leader of the Opposition, John Brogden, had attempted suicide.

Tony Abbott wasted no time sticking the boot into John Brogden.
John Brogden (image courtesy Fairfax Media).


The Age reported at the time that:


The day after Mr Brogden was found unconscious in his electorate office with self-inflicted wounds, Mr Abbott publicly joked at two separate Liberal Party functions about the disgraced leader’s career-wrecking behaviour …. Mr Abbott was asked at a fund-raising lunch about a particular health reform proposal and reportedly answered: “If we did that, we would be as dead as the former Liberal leader’s political prospects.”

Nasty. Even to a mate.

He also claimed that Bernie Banton was a mate. Not that he acted like one.

When Tony Abbott was the Minister for Health, the dying asbestos disease sufferer Bernie Banton obtained a petition containing 17,000 signatures of those who supported the listing of the mesothelioma drug Alimta on the Pharmaceutical Benefits Scheme. This petition was to be presented in person to Tony Abbott. If it wasn’t disrespectful enough to snub the petition, then his verbal response certainly was.

Mr Abbott said of Mr Banton’s actions, fighting for James Hardie asbestos victims:


“I know Bernie is very sick, but just because a person is sick doesn’t necessarily mean that he is pure of heart in all things.”



He loves making fun of dying people. Does he expect we’ll all laugh along with him?

He even has a go at deceased people. Margaret Whitlam wasn’t even in the grave before Tony Abbott used her death to score cheap political points.

He said, on hearing of her death:


“There was a lot wrong with the Whitlam government but nevertheless, it was a very significant episode in our history and Margaret Whitlam was a very significant element in the political success of Gough Whitlam.”


Tony Abbott found himself incapable of decency even on hearing news of the death of Margaret Whitlam.
Margaret Whitlam

Nasty. As always. Just another person to mug.

And let’s not forget the role he played in the jailing of Pauline Hanson. After One Nation shocked the Coalition by winning 11 seats in Queensland in June 1998, Abbott was determined to dig up every piece of dirt he could on Hanson. In his own words, on her demise he boasts this was:


“All my doing, for better or for worse. It has got Tony Abbott’s fingerprints on it and no-one else’s.”

His nastiness is contagious to the Liberal Party and many of its members, supporters and the adoring media have been affected under his leadership. It is a point that I and many others have expressed, but I do like what Dave Horton has to say in summary:


In effect all shock jocks and populist politicians are painting targets on people who do not share their views. In Australia the people who said the Prime Minister was a “witch” or a “cheap prostitute whoring herself” who should be “drowned in a sack” or “kicked to death” were inviting violence in a way that should not be permitted in a civilised society whether applied to the prime minister or the unfortunate woman who was the partner of Car Park Man.

Bullying, in home, school, workplace is rightly taken very seriously these days. And it is clearly recognised that verbal bullying can cause as much distress and psychological damage as physical actions.

Yet we facilitate, protect, applaud, the bullying and incitement to bullying that takes place every day in out media. Target after target of helpless and/or vulnerable groups (Aborigines, gays, single mothers, unemployed, refugees, public housing tenants, environmentalists, unions) are chosen day after day by bully boy shock jocks and politicians. Day after day there are attempts, by the same people, to denigrate, delegitimise, degrade, political and philosophical opponents. Day after day words are twisted, lies told, rage consequently incited.

And oh how that nastiness has filtered down into our media, old and new. If you need any further evidence of how nasty the right are then feast your eyes upon these two disgusting videos, courtesy of the rabid, vile right-wing shock jocks at 2GB:





Do you see or hear that type of media trash from the Left?

Recently, I had the displeasure of witnessing such pathetic behaviour on social media.

We are often asked here why we only preach to the converted. I can assure people that we don’t. All of our articles are posted on Facebook sites, for example, where left/right followers have the opportunity to debate the articles. John Lord did this last night, and he was immediately subject to a barrage of personal attacks bordering on defamatory. I checked the profiles of those playing the man, and surprise surprise, they boasted on their Facebook pages as being Tony Abbott or LNP supporters. Not one of them showed any commitment to discussing the topic at hand, unlike the Left supporters on the site.

It was pure filth. He was verbally mugged.

It’s their style. Play the man, not the ball. And when you catch him, make sure he gets a good mugging.

(Michael Taylor writes at The Australian Independent Media Network and Café Whispers. This article was originally published at AIMN.)

only takes Mike one sentence to hit the point on the nose..

But saying that I'm always available to breed with any rich intelligent woman, least I can do for my Country.

I'm not an Abbott fan by any stretch of the imagination, but the most recent comments on this thread are firstly misguided, then fabricated, then just grubby.

1. "Abbott proposes Maternity leave with out Means testing"  FFS the proposal is for women earning under $150k.

2. Where did this quote come from "This creates a better class of woman to breed"?????

3. "Tony has 3 daughters Mike Wink"

I'll chop of Willy if forced to breed with Gina thank u.

go Jonny

former prime minister John Howard believes the Australian economy is in “good shape”, especially in comparison to the rest of the world.

Speaking at the MFAA conference in Sydney on Friday, Mr Howard said that while many people believe the Australian economy is "running on empty at the moment", it has actually shown an unexpected resilience.

Mr Howard said he is optimistic and bullish about the future of the country.

“When the current prime minister and the treasurer and others tell you that the Australian economy is doing better than most – they are right,” he said.

"We are still fortunate that we have an unemployment rate with a five in front of it. I wouldn’t have thought that was going to be possible a couple of years ago, and I don’t think many people would have. Our unemployment has remained pleasingly quite low.

"And our debt to GDP ratio, the amount of money we owe to the strength of our economy, is still a lot better than most other countries."

That said, Mr Howard said it was important for Australia to be constantly striving for growth and betterment, so that our competitors don’t overtake us.

"In an international environment, in a globalised world economy, you have people who are in that economic foot race who are trying to get past you. And the problem about slowing down in that footrace, even if you can’t ever get to the finishing line, is that if you slow down, other people are going to go past you," he said.

"And that is a bit like what’s happening at the present time. We’ve been doing well in that footrace for about 25 years, but we’re now starting to slow down."

He wants the Governer General job the little brown nose.

Abbott has done an effective job in making the government look bad as opposition leader - will that translate to being a good PM??? No chance imo

Just look at the 3 policies released so far

Fraudband - anyone that knows anything about the NBN knows the Liberal alternative is a lemon

PPL - another Liberal out and about today bagging the policy as being overly generous and unaffordable

IR reform - outsourced to the Productivity Commission

They've got nothing!!!

it's in the Liberals blue blood

not being biased,but Tones budget reply is as televisually appealing as blow drying a turd. But ile be 12 bux a week better off

Womble:

wants to save a few billion

cut the pension supplement
cut low income super concessions
cut the school kids bonus
cut the humanitarian intake

he hates poor people


He'll need to go a lot further than that if he wants to deliver all his promises without the carbon tax and mining tax to fill the coffers.

How about:

abolish the dole
abolish the disability pension
raise the age pension eligibility to 70 (with the promise to raise it to 75 in his second term)

You're right ... he hates poor people

He will be sacked in September anyway, won't be a problem

I dont like increasing the GST but only because the money goes to states & they will p!ss it against wall & fight over how much they will get.

Abbott has only said he will review the GST (which should have been done years ago) and that he will go to an election with any changes (so at second term at earliest).

But doesnt stop the usual Labor scare campaign against Abbott because thats all they got.

gillard the dillard ... 

labor pretends to support the poor & needy but never quire pull it off 

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Tax cuts worth $1.4 billion linked to the carbon tax will be dumped in next week's budget because a slump in the European carbon price has forced a revision of revenue forecasts.

The backflip follows a decision to scrap a planned increase in the Family Tax Benefit Part A worth $1.8 billion, after the government confirmed the revenues for this financial year had plummeted by $17 billion.

Treasury had forecast a carbon price of $29 a tonne in 2015 when the local emissions trading scheme is linked to the European ETS, but was forced to halve that to $15 after a price collapse in Europe.

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/-tax-cuts-to-go--because-of-carbon-price-010403177.html


.... fancy that .. the Govt using the co2 tax as a revenue base to bolster their revenue ... until it fell apart on them

(while some were led to beleieve it was not a revenue based tax but an environment tax ... suckered again by a deceiptful gillard)

no probs womble just having a bit of fun with our servants here


... but the whole co2 tax joke is a bit different now, and i didn't see it initially

i saw the fake-for-the-environment part ... that was glaring especially after the IPCC Co-Chair told the World Press at Cancun (where Greg must have been asleep or watching the scantily-clad's at the beach ) that International Climate Policy had little to do anymore with the environment (pretty clear cut statement)

... and we now have julia blaming the 'lack of govt revenue' as being from the reduced takings from the co2 tax ... and also swanny blames his woes on the 'lack of revenue from the co2 tax'

so we now KNOW the Govt had long planned for the fake-for-the-environment co2 tax to be money money money revenue for them

... sadly though for us Julia for some reason best known to her ... had our carbon price linked to the European Price

at a time when Europe was heading down the fiscal gurgler into oblivion (not sure they're out even yet)

so the co2 tax had nothing to do with saving the planet but was introduced quickly to save the deplorable labor Budget

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Mr Swan says it's a "folly" to take a spot price for the European carbon price on one day to draw conclusions about the implications for the Australian carbon price in years to come.

Treasury is forecasting a carbon price of $29 a tonne in 2015 when a local emissions trading scheme is linked to the European ETS.

This week the EU price dived to less than $4 a tonne but Mr Swan insists it can bounce back and he defended Treasury forecasts.

The big difference between the Australian forecast and the latest European carbon price could cost the federal budget up to $7 billion, some experts predict.

He said the carbon price in Europe had been higher in the past and economic conditions could improve.

"In the future we could see higher prices," Mr Swan said.

Mr Swan guaranteed the household carbon tax assistance would stay, even with a potentially lower carbon price in coming years.

http://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/australia-facing--decades-of-budget-deficit--003148727.html


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... quite sick really for our Treasurer and Govt to be hanging their whole hat and our countries fiscal/budgetry future on what price Europe can come up when pricing coal & emmissions ffs

i had assumed the tax on co2 in Oz didn't provide the full revenue Swan and Gillard needed because our mines were producing less coal ... as if in some benign way the fake-for-the-environment cr@p they were spouting had mysteriously 'come true'

but it turns out Oz is producing the same if not more coal ... and the revenue isn't there just because of the European pricing Gillard signed us up to


.... come on september pls ... the deceiver HAS to go