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http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/racefixing-scandal-spreads-20120814-246zb.html

Race-fixing scandal spreads

Date
    August 15, 2012

Richard Baker and Nick McKenzie

THE racing corruption scandal has dramatically widened, with at least four top jockeys along with professional punters and other racing identities now under investigation.

In addition to the Smoking Aces scandal - which The Age can reveal involves fresh allegations that top jockey Danny Nikolic paid kickbacks to a third party to fix a race - authorities are also examining corruption allegations linked to several other horse races.

One of the allegations being probed involves one of Australia's most famous jockeys, who The Age cannot identify for legal reasons, who bet thousands of dollars on a rival horse to win a race in which the jockey was riding. The race was at a metropolitan Melbourne track within the past two years.
Danny Nikolic.

Jockey Danny Nikolic.

Meanwhile, a source from wagering company Betfair has confirmed a major investigation is being conducted into suspicious ''lay betting'' - in which a punter backs a horse not to come first - involving more than two dozen races and another leading jockey.
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''We have been aware of it for some time and we have told the authorities [in Victoria],'' the Betfair source said. ''It is the most serious case we have at the moment.''

The Age can also reveal that:
Mark Hunter.

Racing media identity Mark Hunter. Photo: Leanne Pickett

■Federal and state policing agencies are holding extensive information - which has not been passed to racing authorities - about the corrupt activity of three licensed Victorian bookmakers.

■A fourth bookmaker, Charlie Norris, recently resigned midway through a probe by the state's gaming authorities into his business association with a convicted drug trafficker.

■Efforts by Chief Commissioner Ken Lay to ban organised crime figures - including prominent horse owner Paul Sequenzia - from the track have been stalled by legal problems.

■The state government and racing authorities are at loggerheads about whether changes to the law are needed to allow stewards to question non-licensed racing identities suspected of corrupting the sport.

In connection to the Smoking Aces scandal, sources close to champion jockey Danny Nikolic have revealed he offered to pay another jockey a kickback of up to $5000 in return for helping manipulate a race at Cranbourne in April 2011.

As many as three jockeys, including Nikolic - who rode Smoking Aces to victory in an April 2011 race that is under scrutiny - are now being investigated over the alleged race fix.

Sources at Caulfield have also confirmed to The Age that former AFL player, racing media identity and jockey adviser Mark Hunter is being probed by authorities for his links to betting tied with the Smoking Aces scandal. So too are Danny Nikolic's brothers - former jockey Tommy Nikolic and former Queensland-based trainer John Nikolic.

It is understood Mr Hunter, who provides riding advice to jockeys in return for a small fee, had contact with members of the Nikolic family in connection to a betting plunge on Smoking Aces prior to the April 2011 race. Mr Hunter could not be reached for comment.

Despite police publicly confirming last week that they are investigating the ride of Smoking Aces in connection to alleged race fixing, Nikolic has faced no action by Racing Victoria. He continues to ride, and raced six mounts over the weekend. He is due to ride a further six times this week.

Racing Minister Denis Napthine yesterday said the government was ready to introduce new laws if police, racing integrity bodies or others in the industry identified the need for change.

''The legislators have to be constantly vigilant and constantly ready to close a loophole or introduce a new power if they are identified and justified,'' Dr Napthine said. ''Integrity is paramount and we will do whatever is necessary to ensure integrity.''

But opposition spokesman Martin Pakula said Mr Napthine should act immediately.

''Denis Napthine must act, without further delay, to give the stewards the powers they need to deal with unlicensed persons, and to enable police to share information with racing officials,'' Mr Pakula said.

In the wake of allegations of race fixing and corruption aired last week by The Age and Four Corners, NSW yesterday became the first Australian jurisdiction to announce the introduction of race fixing laws, which will carry a 10-year jail penalty.

The revelations about other cases of suspected corruption in the sport undermine the claims made by Australian Racing Board CEO Peter McGuaran and Victorian racing chief Rob Hines last week - after The Age and Four Corners revealed allegations of race fixing and other misconduct - that integrity problems were limited to allegations involving a single race.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/racefixing-scandal-spreads-20120814-246zb.html#ixzz23YyfTnuu
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Report Thebas August 14, 2012 11:50 PM BST
promises to be as interesting ... publically ... as fine cotton & the jockey tapes ... cops are just waiting for someone to roll over under oath i imagine ...

where its headed who knows ... but well done four corners for preparing us i guess
Report lazza August 15, 2012 12:14 AM BST
The clock does not lie!

It's alot bigger than we will ever know!
Report Thebas August 15, 2012 12:19 AM BST
NSW yesterday became the first Australian jurisdiction to announce the introduction of race fixing laws, which will carry a 10-year jail penalty.

the clock ... yes lazza ... and should a rorting 'methodology' come out for public scrutiny ... then in light of the above re NSW ... maybe sydney metro racing will become more 'competitive' early ... time-wise also
Report Beat The OverRound August 15, 2012 12:27 AM BST
It is understood Mr Hunter, who provides riding advice to jockeys in return for a small fee

Hilarious, anyone miss this???

LaughLaughLaughLaughLaughLaugh
Report lazza August 15, 2012 12:37 AM BST
What are top Jockeys?
They are men who can adjust to any situation

but when they suddenly lose that ability ( for one race)
then questions need to be asked.

Sydney is a closed shop.. The laws are just a front.

If they were fair dinkum then Munce would have
done his full time.
Report Back High Lay Low August 15, 2012 12:42 AM BST
Pete 'Keystone' V'landys is on the case in NSW.

The chief executive of Racing NSW, Peter V'landys, said the allegations seemed to be confined to Victoria. ''We're going to be vigilant in NSW to ensure there's no allegations here.''

http://www.smh.com.au/sport/horseracing/racing-scandal-widens-20120814-246vx.html#ixzz23YsQjCIX

What a toolPlain
Report Thebas August 15, 2012 12:43 AM BST
yes overround ... maybe the advice is more than just 'mount from the near side' Laugh
Report lazza August 15, 2012 12:55 AM BST
Mark Hunter?
Is this the guy who does tips on Sky and
manages Williams?
Report Beat The OverRound August 15, 2012 1:00 AM BST
He's an ex footballer and mug punter.

He was called before the Stewards in Vic in 2010 over Nikolic back then.
He offered to supply them his "speed maps" for the meetings in question, the stewards giggled and said "they will not be required".

He's a complete joke.
Report lazza August 15, 2012 1:05 AM BST
Ah I don't know of him.. I think I'm confused
with Mark Guest.
Report spyvspy27 August 15, 2012 2:12 AM BST
Poor old DN, they try and ping him for not giving some of his mounts every chance, so he does a 180 and tries to give some of them too much chance, and they want to ping him again, no wonder hes confused
Report VeryLTU August 15, 2012 2:39 AM BST
was an ordinary player with footscray lazza. Speaks as knowledgably as Mark Guest re horse racing and analysis.. sounds like he knows what he's on about.......but just like Guest and other so called "experts" the race outcomes are usually different, very different, to what he's predicted.
Report lazza August 15, 2012 3:25 AM BST
Well R Freedman said it's a colourful industry ffs lol

they keep forgetting though that it's supposed
to be regulated ffs.

Had a little go at Gai's in the 1st GL
Report spyvspy27 August 15, 2012 6:27 AM BST
The chief executive of Racing NSW, Peter V'landys, said the allegations seemed to be confined to Victoria. ''We're going to be vigilant in NSW to ensure there's no allegations here.''


Looks like the Astronomer rider & connections can breathe easy
Report lazza August 15, 2012 6:37 AM BST
Crooked racing means higher turnover..

But it can only last so long... Imo
Report PCisaripoff August 15, 2012 6:45 AM BST
Lots of hot races, has always happened & will continue. The game is to know or at least be able to recognise the signs. Interesting rides day in/day out. Vic jockeys either dumb/hopeless or hot. See Sandown Race 5, stewards enittled to bring every jockey bar 2 & ask the question "did you see Race 4, why did you leave the inside?". Might be some entertaining responses & at least we'd know the IQ of some of these freaks on seats
Report logroller August 15, 2012 6:55 AM BST
come on pcis............they cant jump over horses in front of them, or run straight through them, i think some horses have to hook out wide to get a run, they all can get the run of the fence dh...........................jumping at shadows u lot
Report Lets Elope August 15, 2012 9:00 AM BST
Mark Hunter is hardly a mug punter and seriously doubt he would be involved in anything. Provides speedmaps etc for riders and is a an astute professional punter who's been around for a long time. Also a pretty good judge.
Report Kye August 15, 2012 9:28 AM BST
Lets obviously you know the guy well. However if punters are such good judges why do they need to associate with jockeys at all. If i recall there were some pretty suspect betting transactions mentioned from the previous allegations involving DN.

I have no respect for any punter involved in benefitting from a jockey pulling up a mount & any punter that is involved in such conspiracy to commit fraud belongs in jail with the jockey.
Report spyvspy27 August 15, 2012 9:31 AM BST
Mr Elope are you saying the police just made it all up re his involvement? To quote Richie Callander puhleeeeze
Report earlycrow August 15, 2012 9:35 AM BST
I always rated Mark Hunter, here is a link to his tips when they were on The Tote daily, looking through the archives there are alot of winners
http://mar****erstips.thetote.com.au/
Report Lets Elope August 15, 2012 9:36 AM BST
He provides them with speed maps for fark sake and advice on tactics etc.
Report spyvspy27 August 15, 2012 9:39 AM BST
I don't think thats the reason the police have implicated him Mr Elope, unless of course they have him giving advice on tactics that aren't in the best interest of the horses chances of winning Laugh
Report Lets Elope August 15, 2012 9:39 AM BST
I know a good mate of his who is a good longtime firend of mine and I know him through that person and from going to the races with them a couple of times when I've been over there and when he's come  over here inthe past for the Inters and our racing carnival. I would be flabbergasted if Mark was involved in anything.
Report Lets Elope August 15, 2012 9:42 AM BST
Cops barking up the wrong tree with him for sure, the only reason he would be mentioned is probably because of the phone records of calls to and from him.
Report Kye August 15, 2012 9:43 AM BST
Lets do how many friends & family have said that about prison inmates. Never thought he was the type.

Ffs leave it to the police & if he is guilty of anything i'm sure they will charge him. But we dont need some w@nker saying what a great person he is.
Report Kye August 15, 2012 9:44 AM BST
Cops barking up the wrong tree. What the fk would you know about their job 7 what evidence they have?
Report spyvspy27 August 15, 2012 9:45 AM BST
You must also believe in the tooth fairy, as i'm sure out of all the recordings they, not every voice is up to no good, hence they didn't name people just because their voice was recorded.
I may be wrong but you sound quite biased Mr Elope.

Should Mr hunter be charged, you can't change your mind as we have your pre race tip on the matter Laugh
Report nickw August 15, 2012 9:52 AM BST
must be a massive advantage if you know the way certain horses are going to ridden in a race

Having said that i have recieved his tips when he was on board with thetote to say is he is mug is just plain incorrect
Report lazza August 15, 2012 9:59 AM BST
Write your own ticket with that mail imo
Report Lets Elope August 15, 2012 10:08 AM BST
Considering how I rate some of the opinions on here seeing certain clowns expect him to be charged I would say mark has absolutely zero to be concerned about.
Report lazza August 15, 2012 10:17 AM BST
Are you saying Racing is totally clean Lets?
Report Live_in_Hope August 15, 2012 10:39 AM BST
u need phone recordings for a conviction - records can be challenged
just saying
Report Lets Elope August 15, 2012 10:50 AM BST
Of course not Lazza but to say that Mark Hunter would be involved in anything is verging on laughable in my opinion.
Report lazza August 15, 2012 11:04 AM BST
I don't know him Lets but some of the boys
on here think differently.. I just find it amazing
how anyone connected in a scam that DN
is involved in .. You immeadIately go into bat
for them... Let's from what I've seen happening
this is only the tip of the ice berg IMO..

I know I react and say ah that thing was dead
and I'm sure on some occassions I'm wrong
... but when these top jocks ride them like
4 kilo claimers ffs... We are talking about a
hell of a lot of money here.
Report Live_in_Hope August 15, 2012 11:18 AM BST
nothin to do with this thread but do you know the name of moodies biggest owner?
Report Putawhyyouflinch August 15, 2012 12:26 PM BST
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He's an ex footballer and mug punter.

He was called before the Stewards in Vic in 2010 over Nikolic back then.
He offered to supply them his "speed maps" for the meetings in question, the stewards giggled and said "they will not be required".

He's a complete joke.




Beat The OverRound you seem to make sense in most of your posts but this don't seem one of them how do you come to the conclusion that he is a mug...the guy has been doing this for years while making a living from it just asking?
Report Lets Elope August 15, 2012 12:28 PM BST
Stars he's probably dirty that he didn't get Mark's tipsLaugh
Report Monday mike August 15, 2012 1:21 PM BST
Carlton Football Club are a subsidury company of organised crime in Melbourne.
Report CarnegieH August 17, 2012 2:15 AM BST
I recently read David Schwartz's book and while he was still playing AFL and in the midst of his serious gambling haze, he was paying Mark Hunter $1000 a day for tips!!! That alone raises questions about Mark Hunter's character, or lack of???? I know if Schwartz's is sill enough to pay but $1000 a day that's taking advantage????
Report Putawhyyouflinch August 17, 2012 2:50 AM BST
Was it per day or per week as i think the Herald Sun done a story on it and mentioned week?
Report Monday mike August 17, 2012 4:31 AM BST
More importantly whos money was Schwarz gambling with.?  Probabably from their pub I reckon.
Report Monday mike August 17, 2012 4:34 AM BST
This is not sorry for David day again.   Just because his on radio does not give him a good character.
Report CarnegieH August 17, 2012 4:45 AM BST
David Schwartz doesn't need any simpathy, he's a big boy, he bet he lost so what - I'm questioning the character of a bloke (Mark Hunter) who represents himself as a pro punter to young blokes with cash (AFL players in this case)to sell them "tips" for inflated prices.......I concede if they are silly enough to pay for them it's their problem, I just think it's a bit rich.
Report Monday mike August 17, 2012 4:54 AM BST
"Schwartz bet he lost so what".  Losing other people's money as well is against the rules Carnegie.
Report CarnegieH August 17, 2012 5:16 AM BST
MM, if he lost other peoples money that's worng but it's a matter for them, what has it got to do with the discussion? I thought this thread was about the characters involved in current race fixing scandal? in my opinion there are a few things about Mark Hunter that are questionable....
Report whoopi August 17, 2012 5:30 AM BST
monday mike....his....please see other thread
Report spyvspy27 August 17, 2012 5:37 AM BST
Laugh Mr Cushion, ps how is the ford Falcon going?
Report whoopi August 17, 2012 5:43 AM BST
Confused
Report spyvspy27 August 17, 2012 5:44 AM BST
You drive a Ford Falcon don't you?
Report whoopi August 17, 2012 5:45 AM BST
no
Report spyvspy27 August 17, 2012 5:47 AM BST
Sorry i meant a Maltese Falcon Laugh
Report whoopi August 17, 2012 5:48 AM BST
Laugh
Report logroller August 17, 2012 6:31 AM BST
1000$ a day and Schwartz still lost his shirts................really i would take anything Schwartz said regarding his gambling.......halve it and then divide by 2
Report manikato August 17, 2012 8:19 AM BST
even nick williams was tipping to him.
Report Monday mike August 17, 2012 11:55 AM BST
Its all linked Carnegie.  Transfer of the $$$$$$$$$
Report Monday mike August 17, 2012 11:56 AM BST
Appologies didn't see the other thread.   Havent had a beer till tomorrow either.  Silly me.
Report thewaffleking August 17, 2012 1:02 PM BST
LETS ELOPE is correct
Report spyvspy27 August 17, 2012 3:53 PM BST
You might just be talking a lot of waffle Mr King
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON August 17, 2012 4:00 PM BST
I beg to differ.

The Kings Decree should be respected.

I can't personally remember Lets being anything but correct, for the record.
Report spyvspy27 August 17, 2012 4:06 PM BST
I can't argue with you on that one Mr Spooon, and all i can say is thank fk for that
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON August 17, 2012 4:08 PM BST
Laugh
Report Lets Elope August 17, 2012 4:08 PM BST
Spoon I presume that was said very much with tongue in cheek.
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON August 17, 2012 4:18 PM BST
Not really
Report Putawhyyouflinch August 17, 2012 4:22 PM BST
I mentioned it here ages ago and look Hunter might be a stand up guy i have no idea will leave that for them to sort out only those that know him personally know for sure.

what i mentioned is some of these geniuses punters of the past and i wont mention names are mentioned as betting giants smart operators but most and not all but certainly most were linked to jockeys and trainers setting up races and making their big kills plunges winning huge amounts which set them up....the same guys later and now can not pick their noses without the stable info they once received.

not to many guys in this game are actually winning because they are astute punters, as i said not all a shifty but a lot are.

Also these trainers being called geniuses because when they put the money on they just win..these same trainers are simply hooking superior horses and then entering them in weak races and backing them off the map wow real skill that is, more like skill in how you know what...
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON August 17, 2012 4:23 PM BST
I like the unswerving confidence of your own opinions.

Solid on the bluster.

Earnest in your reviews.

Just a tip...Don't waste it on the Poms Cool
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON August 17, 2012 4:25 PM BST
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Addressed to LetsElope
Report Lets Elope August 17, 2012 4:29 PM BST
I can assure you I'm wrong on plenty of occasions but then again I'm also right more often than not and that really is the key isn't it to survival in this caper. I would like though to implement that good judgement a bit better at times.
Report THERE....IS....NO....SPOOOOON August 17, 2012 4:31 PM BST
Solid on the bluster.

Earnest in your reviews.

Confident and humble....in the same sentence Happy  Not many can do that Cool
Report Lets Elope August 17, 2012 4:44 PM BST
Can't see much in the Nunthorpe field Spoon that's going to worry Ortensia if its dry. I'm happy to back her to out sprint bated breath if they bet a reasonable price.
Report Thebas August 18, 2012 2:10 AM BST
cheers Put ... interesting article ... maybe i should read newspapers again

(tho i rely on you guys to put the relevant stuff on the forums lol)

***

Over the past year, Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has quietly banned 10 rogues from sticking their bent noses on any racetrack in Victoria - the first such orders since 2006.

And if the rumours are true that a key insider is about to confess his sins, some jockeys will soon be swapping racing silks for prison overalls, and stirrups for handcuffs.

One has confided he expects to serve two years if the truth surfaces. And he is being optimistic.
Report spyvspy27 August 18, 2012 2:15 AM BST
Gangsters love to befriend jockeys and over the years some of these pint-sized rascals

That made me Laugh



If racing people are ever challenged over links to gangsters they usually suggest that the relationships are harmless friendships based on shared interests (love of cash being one of them). However, the true nature of such liaisons is sometimes exposed when police target a particular crime.



John Schreck the previous Sydney steward answered similarly when questioned about his connection to the late George Freeman, Mr Schreck replied, yes i speak to him on the phone, but we don't discuss racing

Funny how no one in the AJC or STC thought there was anything wrong with that
Report Putawhyyouflinch August 18, 2012 2:19 AM BST
do they still sell newspapers Thebas lol

Amazing part of that read is police cant give info to stewards regarding police matters phone conversations
Report spyvspy27 August 18, 2012 2:28 AM BST
Over the past year, Chief Commissioner Ken Lay has quietly banned 10 rogues from sticking their bent noses on any racetrack in Victoria - the first such orders since 2006. And if the rumours are true that a key insider is about to confess his sins, some jockeys will soon be swapping racing silks for prison overalls, and stirrups for handcuffs


Nothing will clean the game up quicker than if that happens.


Chris Munce copped a gaol term in HK for tipping, the penalty seemed harsh to most of us in Aus, but he knew the rules and still chose to break them. HK racing is a lot cleaner for the tough stance they take, the sooner we in Aus start taking a similar stancve ours will be a lot cleaner as well
Report Putawhyyouflinch August 18, 2012 2:35 AM BST
exactly spy if they had prison instead of ban they would think twice before doing anything $hifty plus once a jockey is caught setting up a race they should be banned for life from riding i mean if a lawyer was found guilt he would not be allowed to practice law same thing goes for jocks plus ffs they earn a good quid anyway.
Report spyvspy27 August 18, 2012 8:25 AM BST
And then there is Danny Nikolic. If police had their way, Danny would be banned from riding a horse on a carousel let alone in the spring carnival


Now what would make the police say that Mr Elope?
Report Joel August 18, 2012 8:58 AM BST
Obviously they are barking up the wrong tree
Report Putawhyyouflinch August 18, 2012 9:02 AM BST
what they know could fit on the back of a postage stamp tell them lets elope Wink
Report Monday mike August 18, 2012 11:09 AM BST
Danny Nikolic wants to be very careful he does not meet with an accident set up by the establishment.  Must be a couple of State Polititions getting very jumpy at present.  From the begger on the street selling drugs to the top of the political tree, they don't like threats to the chain its not good for business in crime controlled Victoria. Cool.  This is getting big.
Report VeryLTU August 19, 2012 2:05 AM BST
Our highly respected racing minister showed his real attitude after Sals' big announcement. Another do nothing, spout the "mafia doesn't exist style" no problem here minister. Just what racing needs.... another smiling face telling the community that nobody is ripping you off it's ten o'clock and all is well folks. Good luck Sal .... you've got no hope mate... your backup is ZERO and more than likely to "even interfere" with your efforts if i'm any judge of character.
Report Monday mike August 19, 2012 2:38 AM BST
If Stewards are not given more power, give police power to take control.  I like this sort of stuff.
Report VeryLTU August 19, 2012 2:52 AM BST
why do i get a feeling that Mr. Plod is already being told about what the "community" expects LaughCool
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