betting agency bet365

Good Luck. They rely on Margin Maker software to identify punters that are 'uneconomical' and close their accounts, sometimes within hours.

If you have any clue whatsoever you will be on such heavy bet restrictions that you could bet and still buy a coffee with the change out of 4 bucks.
They use the UK/Irish model, same as the rest of the new scumbags. Same or similar model to sportsbet, ias, sportingbet, centrebet, unibet, the list is endless.

so it's a waste of time registering for an account.

If you only bet one or two codes, are in any way profitable or show you know what you're doing, hit any overs they wrongly post or basically do anything other than lose hand over fist it is a waste of time registering for an account.

Classic Snake Your statement should follow any advertisement promoting these jokers

Most of the guys that I know were barred  within 3 weeks of opening an account with them.Well not quite barred just limited to bets of $16.

I just went to the webtsite live chat and posted this:

Darren, Hi
My name is XXXXX XXXXX and I just wanted it logged within your company that although I love your website, think it is possibly the best of its kind anywhere in the world, thought your pricing for AFL was competitive and would like to open an account with you, I was strongly advised not to bother because I have a clue what I am doing and might actually win on occasion, so I have decided not to bother. Cheers!

doubt he would believe your name was XXXXX XXXXX !

The conversation went further than I expected. I am still on with them. Wait for it!

Darren W has joined this chat.You are now chatting with Darren W.Darren W Hello, welcome to bet365 Live Chat. How may I help you?Darren W We have not heard from you. Do you wish to continue the chat?
Darren, Hi
My name is and I just wanted it logged within your company that although I love your website, think it is possibly the best of its kind anywhere in the world, thought your pricing for AFL was competitive and would like to open an account with you, I was strongly advised not to bother because I have a clue what I am doing and might actually win on occasion, so I have decided not to bother. Cheers!
Darren W Would you like to close your account?
I dont hold an account, was told not to bother opening one. that I would get banned inside of a week so anyway, my email address is. Anyone who wishes to discuss with me why me and a host of my friends won't hold an account can do so, or they can ring me on
Darren W One moment please.
But if I hear nothing I wont be surprised
Darren W I will be right with you.
I didnt wish to make your day a difficult one, but I really just wanted someone within your company to address the bad publicity you are currently getting
Darren W Please bare with me I am just looking into your comments now.
Darren W I will be unable to discus anyone else's account. Only one that may be held by yourself. All accounts are reviewed on an individual basis and this would be the case should you wish to open an account.
Darren W I will be happy to arrange for someone to call you if you wish to discuss opening an account.
I doubt very much they will want my business, but if they want to ring me I can tell them why.
Darren W Would you like me to arrange a call back for you?
Do you think it's something that would get us anywhere? Is this chat logged where someone will see it? If so, that was my aim. Have a great day Darren!
Darren W If we did call you we would only be able to discuss your account or opening one for you.
It's ok, you only want losers and I'm afraid I wont qualify but you enjoy working there, won't you
Darren W Is there anything else I can help you with today?
Well just answer is this is being logged where someone will see it
Darren W all chats are recorded.
refer it to one of your managers , thanks

Didn't you start to feel uncomfortable when he asked you to bare with him?

I reckon he was probably trying to get the attention of his manager or something. Who knows!
That was a long conversation. He obviously didnt know how to properly handle it.

I thought he handled it quite well, what do you want him to say?

No idea, I guess what he said. Total rhetoric, though, wouldn't you agree?

Bear with me maybe, bare with me means something totally different, and possibly gay

Well spotted, Joel. If you are a kid I'm a monkey. Seriously, there is no way you are a school kid, no chance at all.

you do come across as a pompous **** though, as in you know what they will do to your account before you even open it.

I can't confirm nor deny. It wasn't me who started this rumour anyway.

I dont come across as a pompous a$$, I AM a pompous a$$, but I wouldnt be the only PA they have on their books.

You think there would be any other result?

out of interest, does anyone like you on this forum?

What makes you think I care?

Who started the rumour, Joel?

whatever, I have races to bet on, just popped in to read all the aussie seething.  I see you have some of your own on this topic.

Yeah, as if you can tell seething from a post on a forum

I dont know, probably that doubleagent clown

easy to spot

Easier to spot you and what you are

Everybody is waiting for the bookie that opens up and takes on everybody for anything on any sport.
Why hasnt that happened yet ? It seems an obvious ploy to get business.

Tom Waterhouse claims to do it, but he's just another slimy Waterhouse with an agenda that doesnt include the likes of me.
Nobody's going to do it because they know the traders will just eat 'em.

I like you Mr Snake, and before you get on your high horse Mrs clever, no not in that way

Back at ya, spy. My opinions are pompous and controversial at times, but this is a forum and without opinions and healthy debate it's just a collection of blogs.

i have found bet365 better than bookmaker.com
at least bet365 wait for you to win something before they restrict you unlike bookmaker.com

It's a sad state of affairs when you have to compare bookmakers by least objectionable, rather than by customer service or prices, or some other objective means.

Bet365 are pointless. Obviously looking for the worst of mug punters only. They closed me on the same day I opened after 1 bet. Maybe they didn't like my username?

Maybe you should have gone with "Betting to lose"

No one here would run a corp much differently to the way they're being run imo

Say you're in charge and punter X is winning or seems to know what he is doing, punter Y doesn't seem to show much skill, which one would you let on for more? If they keep letting punters like X on, their business will struggle to survive.

As unsavoury as it is to those of you that are restricted, thats just the way it is and no amount of complaining or emailing will change a thing

Spy, Would have to be changed at regulator level. I think the argument is that they can offer what is seemingly very attractive but then only allow a certain type of customer to close a sale. Would David Jones be able to advertise an item at less than cost price but only sell it to people who buy their more profitable items as well?

i see what your saying spy but dont agree 100%
what wrong with a taking reasonable bet of the  winning punter and maybe using that information to your advantage for the rest of time you are betting on that market??
i dont think anybody expects them  to take monster bets of someone that MAY win of them but you expect better than to win these small amounts

there is  a such a large gap to the way your account is treated if you flagged compared to unflagged
i think everybody just wants some medium ground

Because nick, lets say you bet the smart punter a reasonable amount at say 2.00, how do you use that to your advantage when it firms into 1.90 elsewhere? Its ok if he bets with you 1st.

The on course bookie must bet to lose a certain amount, what do the so called super pros do? They manipulate the market to where they're getting under 100%, hence on course bookies are a dying breed.

Many years ago the smart bookies outweighed the smart punters, but the pendulum has well and truly swung the other way now.

spy,

If we all took that attitude so many things that have changed as a result of public opinion would have remained the way they were. To accept defeat in the face of enormous odds is an English mentality.
The point is that we know we are up against it and it is unlikely to change, but to do nothing and take it is worse.
In their shoes I would be likely to employ similar tactics, but in the case of Sportsbet (and Bet365 fits into the same category) they reduce it to the ridiculous. They are not allowed to close my account (I don't know the laws but I am catching up - maybe they are), but they are allowed to render it for all intents and purposes unusable. Something just doesn't fit here. Tell me straight out you don't want my business and close my account, by all means. Just be up front about it.

I see what you're saying Mr Snake, but i don't like exercises in futility and thats what i feel it is. Also the the amount of time, effort and thought you're putting into it could be detrimental to your main pursuit which is backing a winner

fcked if i would let anybody on for something just seconds before the jump

Mr spy,

Whilst backing a winner is my primary goal, it's going to be pretty difficult to do that without any bookmakers willing to take my bet. That is where I feel we're heading.
Many of the Betfair markets are too thin for me to get set and the commission on some wagers makes it impossible to do better than the good old bookie. Plus, much of the time the Betfair price is unders because the markets are thin and the prices move on rumour, much like a stockmarket.
I have to try and defend my livelihood. That is all I am doing.

I hope you succeed, i just think you're pushing the proverbial uphill. Maybe you're too good for your own good as i hear there are quite a few successful sports bettors that do get on for large amounts

Where are they getting on? Do tell...

That i'm not sure of i'm sorry

"To accept defeat in the face of enormous odds is an English mentality"..I was kind of with you until that, but you`ve pi$$ed me off.

Some facts.

You mention public opinion...the vast majority of the public dont give a rats a$$ about a handful of people who cant get on at a bookies.

Whether its right or wrong, how many people are actually affected by what bookies do. You are clued up, purely by being on here shows that, as are most who come on here, and how many people are signing up to this crusade. Its miniscule compared to the number of people who dont get cut by bookies.

Bookies arent a charity and raison d`etre is to win money, and you expect them to say, ok we win off customer a, but customer b takes our pants down, but lets keep them both going.

With the plethora of sports and markets, and the amount of information available for the clued up guys who specialize, its not difficult to get an edge, sometimes a big edge. Its simpler to identify these people and cut them, than to pay for specialists in every sport. In the old days it was very different.

The amount of bets that fly in - remember online bookies have the world as their shop not just Australia - mean that the guys watching the bets cant possibly keep up with whats happening everywhere, and with hundreds of bets piling in on all the leagues, sports and markets, its simpler to cut the sharp punters rather than
be proactive or even reactive.

The model is successful, look at the figures, and the tax they will provide for Govts means the Govts are highly unlikely to do anything about it, and anyway, when have Govts worried about what happens to a few people when theres a decent income stream to milk.

The bottom line is, a bet is an agreement between two parties, why should one party be able to force the other party to do something they dont want to do, and this is the one thing you will struggle to beat. Whether its fair or not,  whether some people get treated better than others, or some get on what they want and others can bet to win only $5. What law can be drafted to force a bookie to take a bet it doesnt want to take. Even if they could would the Govt have to start setting levels for each sport or each market for each sport, its inconceivable.

There, these are some of the arguments that you have to counter, and that we have encountered for years, and I`m sorry to have to play devils advocate. The system has evolved to what it is in Europe and it is what it is. Good luck in your quest, threads like this dont occur on here very often now in the forum, they used to.
I will follow what happens with interest.

By the way, what about English (British) mentality in the Second World War....

Pounf

Bookmaking has been a joke in England for decades at least and probably longer.  You only have to read Bill Waterhouse's book where he recounts what happened with English bookies when he was betting on English racecourses decades ago.  The markets were false then and have obviously been ever since

Just because the markets over in England are a joke does not mean it has to happen elsewhere

The fact is that English racing is a joke fullstop.  Coolmore and Darley and one or two others control all the good horses and and the result is terrible G1 racing with 1 or 2 decent horses per G1 race in most cases.  English racing is hopeless and part of the reason is the poor prizemoney.  And this poor prizemoney is the result of the bookies over there manipulating markets for decades and not paying their fair share to racing

The world works better with people sharing rather than being greedy.  Your longwinded post is simply advocating greed and in the end greed is bad despite what others might tell you

King Mug,

Beautifully put. Nothing more to add.

It isnt advocating greed, its telling it as it is.  Greed is bad, but everybody is out for a buck for themselves, definitely bookies, but including punters, including yourself, including myself.
Greed is at the heart of all the social problems we have now, where the few do very well thank you, and the many do not.
We have a Government here where the well off are getting tax breaks, whilst the health service for everybody is being dismantled.
Nearly everybody is greedy, from the guy ruunning a corner shop to the local garage where they would charge you for opening the bonnet of your car.

When this nirvana comes about when everything is fair, let me know and I`ll apply to emigrate to it.

By the way, I dont bet horses, too many people in the know tucking you up for me.

This nirvana you're talking about...Gordon Gecko moved there. That's where he disappeared to

And for the record, that crack at the English mentality was not directed at you. It was simply a little shot at the guys from the English forum who come here to ride the Aussies about this and that. Anyway, was tongue in cheek for what it's worth.

thye bet early on sandown tronight ...got gutted.

gomes 5.5 into 3.3,bubba's dream 3.1 into 1.85 and roy trease 3.6 into 1.85 amongst others

OK snake fair play with the crack. Dont mind a bit of banter, God knows Ive dished my fair share out !!

this is how i feel it is Pounf..........In Australia we can change gambling legislation, with popular opinion and enough shouting, and more than often the State Government will change in favour of better deals and protection for the punter, simply because of the adverse publicity that can surround the gambling industry and how the media can be worked into a fenzy regarding "problem gambling". Gambling is a very sensitive issue in this country, elections and polli's are elected on the back of gambling issue's. So if enough noise is made about the greed and the unfair behaviour of the bookies something will be done.
There is one simple solution for the NT State government to do.....and that is to put in place minimum bet limits for the corp's.......... I just want to know where i stand when i open an account with them. Also by setting minimum bet limits they also eliminate the complains of accounts being closed in regard to winners.
Now what those limits are will be the million$ question, so let me shock u at what was on the table some time ago before the NT gov for minimum bets (i will stand to be corrected)
Greyhounds and Trots fixed odds: to win $200
Horse Racing fixed odds; to win 500-800
Sportsbetting fixed odds; to win 800-1000
So if this was stated in their rules and regulations when you sign on, that would also mean that no accounts could be closed without breaking some other code of conduct rule, and everyone would know what to expect.
I feel this is where the talking must start with the Gambling Authorities and Regulators.
Afterall Australia are the heaviest gamblers in the world, we turnover more that 100billion on pokies, and 30 billion on racing then put on that casino's, lotto,bingo and what ever. So this industry needs to be fair, it must show a clean and favourable personna and the governments have no qualms what soever of introducing legislation in favour of the punter.

One Simple cry; WHEN I SIGN ON AS A CLIENT, I WANT TO KNOW WHAT THE MINIMUM BET THE BOOKMAKER IS REQUIRED TO ACCEPT.

i think it makes sense

I think I mentioned somewhere I had hired a couple of computer geeks to help streamline my business. Anyway, check this one out:

One of them is doing some data scrapes for me and scraped the Unibet website for NRL head to head prices for this week.
The prices were as follows:

1.72 Newcastle Cronulla 2.00
1.27 Canterbury Broncos 3.40
2.10 Penrith Canberra 1.65
1.35 Cowboys Warriors 2.95
1.55 Wests St George 2.30
2.00 Parra Roosters 1.72
1.32 Storm Titans 3.10
1.80 Souths Manly 1.90

Then I went to unibet.com.au because I wanted to make sure I was getting the right numbers. Look what I discovered!

1.78 Newcastle Cronulla 2.06
1.32 Canterbury Broncos 3.45
2.10 Penrith Canberra 1.75
1.36 Cowboys Warriors 3.20
1.58 Wests St George 2.41
2.06 Parra Roosters 1.78
1.36 Storm Titans 3.20
1.87 Souths Manly 1.95

If this isn't evidence that the Poms are getting stitched then nothing is. Once they eliminate the competition that is out future, folks!

i dont understand, why was there a difference?

Haha, why are you asking me!

Ok, so the unibet xml feed gave the first set, but that was off unibet.com. the second set of numbers was off unibet.com.au

i think your scrapper had a melt down

oh i see....got ya, well just goes to show what a competitive market the australians have, and thats what we want to keep

Nah, mate, there are two sets of numbers, one set for the poms and euro trash and another for us. Why? Because we have healthy competition here and better prices. The Poms just get the dregs.

crazy they even have draws quote in their line and head to head markets ..........the UK bookies are thiefs

Dude, we are in big trouble if they get a proper foothold. Neither of us will make a cent.

That's pretty much why I launched this campaign now. If we don't do something soon it will be too late.
If Eskander and a couple of others sell out there'll be nobody left.

You should see some of the Euro books, they make Ned Kelly look like Mother Theresa...

The bottom line is, a bet is an agreement between two parties, why should one party be able to force the other party to do something they dont want to do, and this is the one thing you will struggle to beat. Whether its fair or not,  whether some people get treated better than others, or some get on what they want and others can bet to win only $5. What law can be drafted to force a bookie to take a bet it doesnt want to take. Even if they could would the Govt have to start setting levels for each sport or each market for each sport, its inconceivable.

How is it forcing anybody to do anything they don't want to do?  The bookies in all senses are salesmen, selling bets.  Their odds, are the prices they are offering to sell at.  The customer isn't trying to force them to sell at a price they haven't already offered.  They just want the chance to buy it at the current offer.  Just like the online books have to do.  They offer a price, knowing what their potential liability will be if people take that price, and are forced to sell, at a price both are happy with.


Nobody is forcing these corps to bet on every sport in the world.  And I hardly think that degenerate gamblers are that bad they want to bet on Syberian soccer leagues just for the hell of it.

Personally, if I was to start a corp, I would run it with **** market %, and sit it off BF prices.  How hard is it really?  Bet to a minimum of 1k for race markets, 2k for metro markets.  Then keep an eye on the markets.
Seriously how hard is it?  Never ban anybody.  Quite easy for me to sit here and pick off Sportingbet arbs, but they can't keep my account open because they simply get a feed of on course prices and don't monitor the markets?    What kind of bookmaker does that?  That isn't bookmaking, that is a funnel for money to go into, because they can simply ban the people that can monitor the markets.

The simple fact is this.  There is not going to be an influx of money on any runner at one time, unless they have the price wrong.
Not to mention that you can quite easily program your odds to drop if you have taken money on a runner, to the point where even milliseconds the bet on all following will get the message, price has dropped, do you want to continue.
That is automated, that isn't dropping peoples liabilities and then keeping the same price, or rejecting them and winding the odds out, that is a bookmaker system, that lets everybody on, for the same liability, with a book % reflective of the current odds, and current exposure.
You don't need to bet on Syberian soccer, just do the races.  Then expand to something else.

I know there is a company out there doing (or I think they are from what I have heard?) something very similar.  All they do is cricket betting, and they actively monitor the markets, and change the markets based on what is happening.  They are specialist market makers (in the sense that they are running a book based on current events), and they aim to let everybody on (whether they do or not, not sure).

The reason these corps are barring people, is more to do with a ridiculous overexposure of markets, so much so they cannot possibly have an opinion on the odds they are offering on a huge proportion of them.  In fact, I think it would be fair to suggest that most of the corps could not even tell you how most of the markets were framed.

Correct, so they are in fact not bookmakers & shouldn't pass themselves off as such.

I think all anyone wants is to not waste time, so if you advertise yourself as a bookmaker then take the bet FFS.

RVL and others are the ones that need to approve these companies to bet on their racing. They should be the ones that need to enforce a minumum bet imo.

Not sure about sports though.

BJT - Not a proper comparison in my opinion. The more a salesman sells the more profit they make as its inbuilt into the price they sell at, there is no downside. The more a bookmaker sells on a selection the higher the potential loss. Plenty of bookies have gone belly up by "selling" too many winners.
It is very frustrating trying to get on sometimes, and I wish it were different.

Depends on the situation really.  If they can get 10 times more activity by giving rebates, and still make money, they make more money.  But them making money on 1 transaction does not mean you lose money.

Sorry wrong thread, ......

Opened up a 365 account a month or so ago. They have now closed the account on the basis that it was 'uneconomical'. I had 33 bets, each and every single one of them was a loser. I'd hate to see what would happen if you backed a winner.

I just have to wonder what their criteria are for closing down accounts and keeping others open. What are you not telling us, bluey?

Yes more info needed, were you backing firmers, were your bets small, in the hundreds or in the thousands?
They won't accomodate those backing firmers, or large bets even if you're losing, the potential liability is too great.

newbluey, surely u arent telling us something............finding it hard to beleive u had 33 losing bets in a row with them and they closed u down.............were u arbing?.........where they horse,dogs,trots or sports bets?

Maybe hes using the martingale staking system, so they had no choice but to close him down as they wouldn't have been able to settle had the next one got up

It wouldnt matter what staking he was using. 33 consecutive losers would indicate a perennial loser to me.
Anyway, whatever the case, we know something is hidden in the reeds. No way that's the whole story.

Mr Snake i forgot to put a qt the end of my post

It's tough enough to detect sarcasm. If you forget the smiley we all waste time

So it is peoples opinion that backing firmers is a long term profitable strategy?  Or just peoples opinion that the big bookmakers feel that?

It is not acceptable to simply put up with "were you arbing".  If they know he was arbing and didn't like it, it means they have the system in place to know when the odds they are offering are out of whack for the market.  Rather than banning people that can see that, simply change the odds ffs.  This **** is not rocket science, and if these big bookmakers don't want arbers, and "know" when people are arbing, they must have the facilities to know when they are offering odds that represent value, not to them, but to the punter.

We already know Bet365 has a system for detecting arbers. That is most likely what he was doing. But 33 consecutive losers arbing is impressive.

Well the reality is they think they do.  Stands to reason that if they are offering best odds that you can't get anywhere including the exchanges, that even a value punter will take their odds.

But then that is just technicalities.  They don't want value punters either I suspect, so catching both in the net is definitely a bonus for them.

They want random idiots who dont appear to have any systematic method to their punting and bet on two flies crawling up a wall. If you stick to one code, value seek, show a mild level of skill or profitability or otherwise don't suit the accountant's model of how much you should lose and exactly when and how you should lose it you won't hold an account for more than 10 minutes.

4. Suspension and Closure


(d) bet365 considers that you have used the Website in an unfair manner or have taken unfair advantage of bet365.


I think this means that being clever than them is taking advantage of them.

4. Suspension and Closure


(d) bet365 considers that are breathing or using anything more than poo change to bet.

Maybe` he`s just the most hated man in Australia.

Depending upon who you ask, that could be any number of people, including yours truly.

Like it

new blueys prob is that he found 'value' 33 times..my mates acc opened with 2k ,has turned over 25k ( all on dogs in vic) and now is restricted to odds to 500...account has 4400 in it.

if u bet dogs only,trots only,golf only etc they bar u quickly..they want people who bet all over the place.

Bump for clarkie

I lasted two and a half days

Just managed to get my £200 bonus

Won about £3,000 off them

They will let me bet £1 yes £1

They just dont want you to win...

phucking imposters

Did they ever catch that guy that threw live rabbits over the fence when a heavily backed dog never lead?
Mail is same guy nearly burnt Ballarat racing grand stands down trying to set off a Smoke Screen.
Heard he is known as a Legend to many people.

Back to 365
I think they should have to pay and Steward investigate the race. If the guy involved has 1% to do with the Dogs involved he should get life.
Just like Chris Gleason.

U would think if u going to Pull off a Rort u would Cover your tracks.
Thats why the Legend is still around and nobody know who he is.
Maybe a couple of people do.

Lloydy

tried to get a bet on a market last night. They offered me 4% of what i wanted.  20min phone call.got no where, try later closer to date. FFS
wasted time.

they come from the casino game originally , 888 are bigger then them they arn't the biggest in the world like they advertise far from it

they r the biggest "online bookie in the world"............that is quiet correct

I don't want to go into detail, except to say this organisation is a spineless disgrace as far as I am concerned.

they advertise they are the biggest online by the number of markets they offer it seems to me. anyone can be the biggest if they put up the most markets not bet the biggest. laughable!!