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Centrebet and Sportingbet now offering Identical odds
IASBet and Sportsbet offering identical odds
Betfair charging an extra 1.5% commission on racing after the turnover tax + 40-60% premium charge
The collapse of Sports Alive, punters lost $millions
A bunch of small bookmakers that have slow payouts, unreliable capital reserves, and follow larger bookmakers odds
Not a good time to be a punter
IASBet and Sportsbet offering identical odds
Betfair charging an extra 1.5% commission on racing after the turnover tax + 40-60% premium charge
The collapse of Sports Alive, punters lost $millions
A bunch of small bookmakers that have slow payouts, unreliable capital reserves, and follow larger bookmakers odds
Not a good time to be a punter
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I seem to recall IAS offering the same guarantee of "Winners and high rollers welcome", along with their CANBET spinoff for Australia and CANBET UK. Still didn't stop them cutting me off.
And no, I don't even believe I was in front with them, if I was certainly not much. They just didn't like when I bet a horse with them if they were offering better odds than I could get elsewhere. Ummm.. Isn't that the point of betting?
STS. As for sports betting with lower margins, I am not so sure. Due to the higher volume bet it would suggest that the simple supply/demand would keep margins lower restricting the value offered, but sometimes they all offer prices that cannot be believed.
Will give you 2 examples.
Big bash last year, was innings change, and they were offering 6.20 about the team due in to bat. All of them. There was nowhere in the country offering under 6.00. I posted on here about it as I had them closer to 1.20 to chase, which of course is the opposite price. But they didn't have the prices the wrong way around by mistake, that was their opinion, and that on BF too.
Now this is no claim that I am a big market pricer or anything, but this was a pure standout bet that could not possibly be right. As expected, they won the game with about 5 overs to spare and I think 6-7 wickets in hand.
Second example.
North Melbourne vs Carlton. It was unanimous across this forum that North were ridiculous value, and that price held up all week. Takes so much more money being bet on sports to change their books, they seem more opinion based and I believe are much more prepared to gamble. No doubt they on average are still pretty right, but to the smart punter, there are opportunites often that come up to get set pretty well with value, and of course times when they offer you a price that is truly remarkable that you can't help going in big on them.
Now that is 2 examples. One where I felt they were so far wrong it would send them out of business, and the other I can't recall seeing anybody that didn't think North were massive value. Of course you also get others where people have opposing views, but there is always value to be had, and the simple fact that it is much easier to get set on sports than it is on horse racing, suggests that even if you can't achieve a higher ROI than somebody on the GGs, that you are more than likely betting a much higher turnover.
For mine, betting on horses in this country is near impossible. At least getting a consistant bet amount, at fixed odds, not on BF. But betting with those same bookmakers on sports instead, and there are very often not even an eyebrow raised. The same mob that cut me off after 3 bets on horses, and when asked who was requesting the bet on sports, happy to take it.
But don't buy into all this "winners welcome" crap, IAS didn't just cut me off from horse racing, they rang me up to cut me off sports as well.
As for Centrebet, I have no idea how people are getting set with them. They cut me off years ago, after years of up to 60 second egg timers considering taking my bet.
AFAIK Sportingbet are the best bookmaker in the country for sports, and worst for racing.
As for the rest, none of them really hold a candle to them. Although, haven't had dealings with a couple of the ones snake mentioned, which I am looking into now.
And no, I don't even believe I was in front with them, if I was certainly not much. They just didn't like when I bet a horse with them if they were offering better odds than I could get elsewhere. Ummm.. Isn't that the point of betting?
STS. As for sports betting with lower margins, I am not so sure. Due to the higher volume bet it would suggest that the simple supply/demand would keep margins lower restricting the value offered, but sometimes they all offer prices that cannot be believed.
Will give you 2 examples.
Big bash last year, was innings change, and they were offering 6.20 about the team due in to bat. All of them. There was nowhere in the country offering under 6.00. I posted on here about it as I had them closer to 1.20 to chase, which of course is the opposite price. But they didn't have the prices the wrong way around by mistake, that was their opinion, and that on BF too.
Now this is no claim that I am a big market pricer or anything, but this was a pure standout bet that could not possibly be right. As expected, they won the game with about 5 overs to spare and I think 6-7 wickets in hand.
Second example.
North Melbourne vs Carlton. It was unanimous across this forum that North were ridiculous value, and that price held up all week. Takes so much more money being bet on sports to change their books, they seem more opinion based and I believe are much more prepared to gamble. No doubt they on average are still pretty right, but to the smart punter, there are opportunites often that come up to get set pretty well with value, and of course times when they offer you a price that is truly remarkable that you can't help going in big on them.
Now that is 2 examples. One where I felt they were so far wrong it would send them out of business, and the other I can't recall seeing anybody that didn't think North were massive value. Of course you also get others where people have opposing views, but there is always value to be had, and the simple fact that it is much easier to get set on sports than it is on horse racing, suggests that even if you can't achieve a higher ROI than somebody on the GGs, that you are more than likely betting a much higher turnover.
For mine, betting on horses in this country is near impossible. At least getting a consistant bet amount, at fixed odds, not on BF. But betting with those same bookmakers on sports instead, and there are very often not even an eyebrow raised. The same mob that cut me off after 3 bets on horses, and when asked who was requesting the bet on sports, happy to take it.
But don't buy into all this "winners welcome" crap, IAS didn't just cut me off from horse racing, they rang me up to cut me off sports as well.
As for Centrebet, I have no idea how people are getting set with them. They cut me off years ago, after years of up to 60 second egg timers considering taking my bet.
AFAIK Sportingbet are the best bookmaker in the country for sports, and worst for racing.
As for the rest, none of them really hold a candle to them. Although, haven't had dealings with a couple of the ones snake mentioned, which I am looking into now.
IAS only started banning and restricting customers, once Mark Read sold out to Paddy Power.
Was my understanding that Read was happy to take punters on & that yes, once the Irish gits took over, well that was that.
Well, Paddy Power bought them out over 3 years ago yeah? So the reality is any talk on them is since they were bought out.
I have had big arguments with them. Took advantage of their 20% highroller new account bonus and about 10% into my turnover requirements was cut back to 20 dollar bets, even though I somehow had to turnover 35k before I could make a withdrawal.
Bunch of jokers the lot of them.
Bunch of jokers the lot of them.
from the mark read website uhhh
Mark stood down as Chairman of IAS in 2004 in accordance with continuous improvement in the Company's corporate government practices, but remained as Managing Director until the sale of IAS in 2009.
In May of 2009, IAS sold its International businesses and the right to further develop and use its intellectual property rights to Yin Khing Investments Limited, who subsequently on-licensed the right to use and develop the intellectual property rights to Sporting Data. Sporting Data continues to leverage the global alliances established by Mark, and provides technological and risk management services to key international operators.
In October 2009, IAS was sold to Paddy Power Plc Australian subsidiary, Sportsbet. At the time of sale, IAS was forecasting annual turnover in excess of $1.3 billion.
Mark stood down as Chairman of IAS in 2004 in accordance with continuous improvement in the Company's corporate government practices, but remained as Managing Director until the sale of IAS in 2009.
In May of 2009, IAS sold its International businesses and the right to further develop and use its intellectual property rights to Yin Khing Investments Limited, who subsequently on-licensed the right to use and develop the intellectual property rights to Sporting Data. Sporting Data continues to leverage the global alliances established by Mark, and provides technological and risk management services to key international operators.
In October 2009, IAS was sold to Paddy Power Plc Australian subsidiary, Sportsbet. At the time of sale, IAS was forecasting annual turnover in excess of $1.3 billion.
BJT, May 2009 according to google search.
I bet with Read for at least 5 years solely on SA trots. I would guess I won at least $10-20k each year, without ever having a problem.
I bet with Read for at least 5 years solely on SA trots. I would guess I won at least $10-20k each year, without ever having a problem.
Well, the problem there would be the obvious one of where you live and if it is at all convenient to get to the track in the first place, or if not, to relocate so you can, just to put a bet on.
As for phone betting with on course bookies, do any of them advertise their odds online or do you need to ring them just to find out what they are offering?
As for phone betting with on course bookies, do any of them advertise their odds online or do you need to ring them just to find out what they are offering?
And it goes beyond if you are a winning punter, as even if you aren't, this mob still cuts you off if you aren't one of their biggest losers. So even if you are purely recreational, it can be hard to get a bet on anywhere but the tabs....
If you are happy to take second tote on the trots, you wont have a problem with luxbet.
They split your bet and put it through their TABs and cop the commission. I assume they make a profit doing this, as I have been betting through a mate's account for 6 months without a problem.
They split your bet and put it through their TABs and cop the commission. I assume they make a profit doing this, as I have been betting through a mate's account for 6 months without a problem.
Who is happy taking second tote? How can you possibly put money on a horse when you don't know what odds it is, when the whole point is to win money?
If you are good enough, you can win taking second best tote.
No bookie is going to bet best tote on the dogs or trots and survive.
I would have thought you were smart enough, BJT to understand the reason why.
No bookie is going to bet best tote on the dogs or trots and survive.
I would have thought you were smart enough, BJT to understand the reason why.
castiron you say you win every year on the product you are betting on
you sound pretty sure they put your bets back on whats stopping them putting more on
plus the operators having something for themselves LOL
you sound pretty sure they put your bets back on whats stopping them putting more on
plus the operators having something for themselves LOL
Yes.
Apart from that, have you ever bought a car without first looking at the price? "Got 10k on it at the moment, so I can sell it anywhere between 5k and 30k. Keen?"
I am plenty smart enough to understand the reasons why fixed odds is king. And if you are "good enough to win betting second tote", imagine how much more money you would make betting fixed odds.
Apart from that, have you ever bought a car without first looking at the price? "Got 10k on it at the moment, so I can sell it anywhere between 5k and 30k. Keen?"
I am plenty smart enough to understand the reasons why fixed odds is king. And if you are "good enough to win betting second tote", imagine how much more money you would make betting fixed odds.
Nick
I was betting with Dynabet, a skin of Betezy for a while, and they were doing exactly that.
They barred me betting through the Dynamic Odds website because I was getting on too late and on multiple horses.
I was betting with Dynabet, a skin of Betezy for a while, and they were doing exactly that.
They barred me betting through the Dynamic Odds website because I was getting on too late and on multiple horses.
BJT its not as simple as that with dogs and trots
the options are not there
But i would not put my totes bets on with any corp if i had showed a long term profit doing just that
bet straight into the tote pools
the options are not there
But i would not put my totes bets on with any corp if i had showed a long term profit doing just that
bet straight into the tote pools
BJT unfortunately there is no betting operator willing to bet fixed odds on harness racing in SA.
Centre Bet tried it for while, putting up a market at Globe on a Sat night, five minutes before the jump.
It last for a few months.
I would love to be getting fixed odds. Betfair is my only chance to get fixed odds. You just have to learn to accept the premium charge most weeks.
Centre Bet tried it for while, putting up a market at Globe on a Sat night, five minutes before the jump.
It last for a few months.
I would love to be getting fixed odds. Betfair is my only chance to get fixed odds. You just have to learn to accept the premium charge most weeks.
bjt - u should take out a licence by the sound of ur ability
put the crayons down from colouring in ur arms and get to it i say
put the crayons down from colouring in ur arms and get to it i say
uhh - setting up an acct with an on-course person is the go ..
they aren't gunna tell u wrong price for heavans sake you can only be burnt once...
pm me ffs
they aren't gunna tell u wrong price for heavans sake you can only be burnt once...
pm me ffs
sorry it's like a sowin school on here whingwe whinge whinge
or (no names) but u know who - i"m the best Ive been barred etc etc
or (no names) but u know who - i"m the best Ive been barred etc etc
On a warm summer's eve
On a train bound for nowhere
I met up with the gambler
We were both too tired to sleep
So we took turns a-starin'
Out the window at the darkness
The boredom overtook us, and he began to speak
He said, "Son, I've made my life
Out of readin' people's faces
Knowin' what the cards were
By the way they held their eyes
So if you don't mind my sayin'
I can see you're out of aces
For a taste of your whiskey
I'll give you some advice"
So I handed him my bottle
And he drank down my last swallow
Then he bummed a cigarette
And asked me for a light
And the night got deathly quiet
And his faced lost all expression
He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
Now every gambler knows the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep"
So when he finished speakin'
He turned back for the window
Crushed out his cigarette
And faded off to sleep then somewhere in the darkness
The gambler he broke even,
but in his final words
I found an ace that I could keep
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
You've got to know when to hold 'em
(When to hold 'em)
Know when to fold 'em
(When to fold 'em)
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
On a train bound for nowhere
I met up with the gambler
We were both too tired to sleep
So we took turns a-starin'
Out the window at the darkness
The boredom overtook us, and he began to speak
He said, "Son, I've made my life
Out of readin' people's faces
Knowin' what the cards were
By the way they held their eyes
So if you don't mind my sayin'
I can see you're out of aces
For a taste of your whiskey
I'll give you some advice"
So I handed him my bottle
And he drank down my last swallow
Then he bummed a cigarette
And asked me for a light
And the night got deathly quiet
And his faced lost all expression
He said, "If you're gonna play the game, boy
You gotta learn to play it right
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
Know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
Now every gambler knows the secret to survivin'
Is knowin' what to throw away
And knowin' what to keep
'Cause every hand's a winner
And every hand's a loser
And the best that you can hope for
Is to die in your sleep"
So when he finished speakin'
He turned back for the window
Crushed out his cigarette
And faded off to sleep then somewhere in the darkness
The gambler he broke even,
but in his final words
I found an ace that I could keep
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
You've got to know when to hold 'em
(When to hold 'em)
Know when to fold 'em
(When to fold 'em)
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
You've got to know when to hold 'em
Know when to fold 'em
Know when to walk away
know when to run
You never count your money
When you're sittin' at the table
There'll be time enough for countin'
When the dealin's done
Dos you ignorant fool. Nobody is claiming to be anything. The point of all this is that they will bar anybody.
I bet a lot and I have been banned by most. I have NEVER claimed that is because I am in front, so get your head out of the ****ing sand.
Instead of your little pot shots, why don't you do something silly like, ummm, quote somebody. Quote anybody you like that is saying they must be the best because they have been banned. If you doubled your iq points to even just 80, you would realise this thread is about because MOST people are banned from the bookies. How you can combine people being banned with them suggesting they must be the best is way beyond me.
In fact, there are more people in here saying they are the best and still bet with bookmakers, than there is saying they are the best because they can't. Reality is, I actually suggested that I wouldn't make money betting second tote and I wouldn't bet without fixed odds.
But take your little potshots mate. You little keyboard warrior you... Tough funny bloke I bet, until you step out the front door.
I bet a lot and I have been banned by most. I have NEVER claimed that is because I am in front, so get your head out of the ****ing sand.
Instead of your little pot shots, why don't you do something silly like, ummm, quote somebody. Quote anybody you like that is saying they must be the best because they have been banned. If you doubled your iq points to even just 80, you would realise this thread is about because MOST people are banned from the bookies. How you can combine people being banned with them suggesting they must be the best is way beyond me.
In fact, there are more people in here saying they are the best and still bet with bookmakers, than there is saying they are the best because they can't. Reality is, I actually suggested that I wouldn't make money betting second tote and I wouldn't bet without fixed odds.
But take your little potshots mate. You little keyboard warrior you... Tough funny bloke I bet, until you step out the front door.
Complaints can go here I would think.....
Deputy Chief Minister
Hon Delia Phoebe Lawrie MLA
Treasurer
Minister for Business and Employment
Minister for Trade
Minister for Asian Relations
Minister for Racing, Gaming and Licensing
Minister for Alcohol Policy
Minister for Defence Support
Contact:
GPO Box 3146
Darwin NT 0801
Telephone: 08 8901 4047
Facsimile: 08 8901 4169
Email: minister.lawrie@nt.gov.au
Deputy Chief Minister
Hon Delia Phoebe Lawrie MLA
Treasurer
Minister for Business and Employment
Minister for Trade
Minister for Asian Relations
Minister for Racing, Gaming and Licensing
Minister for Alcohol Policy
Minister for Defence Support
Contact:
GPO Box 3146
Darwin NT 0801
Telephone: 08 8901 4047
Facsimile: 08 8901 4169
Email: minister.lawrie@nt.gov.au
Believe me, they are not at all looking at removing winners, possible winners maybe. I suggest dos dedos that you bet with 365 on Saturday racing on a Thursday with their early markets they put up, only on the condition that you are price sensitive, and take their odds because they are the best amongst the half dozen or so bookies that have prices up by that time these days and see what happens, just as anyone with an ounce of intelligence would do on-course. It does not need to be overly large sums, to be to win $1000, even on longshots, and there is no way they can accuse you of arbitrage betting because it is lucky if there are cents to bet on horses on Betfair on a Thursday for Saturday races. I can assure you you will receive an "exploratory" phonecall from them which will result in them closing your account down because they consider you "uneconomical". This is with two days to go when they have a ridiculous amount of time to make a decent book on any one race.
change that from possible winners to "potential winners".
ur right champ, I should get some tough stickers?
Canbet had a great website, so easy to place a bet.
The other one a few years back was megasports.com.au, that website was unreal.
The other one a few years back was megasports.com.au, that website was unreal.
Adelaide, i'm not sure what your saying, but let me tell you that the corps arent just getting rid of winners but also losers that aren't worth there while. if your not losing around 5-6% of your turnover with them they dont want your business. The uk model of bookmaking (not that u can call it that anymore) is all about accountants and playing the person. eg...if u turnover 100k a year and are losing about 2k they are still not interested in your business, they look at it as a numbers game and too them they are actually losing on that account
I thought a corporate bookmaker worked for Penguin putting our school texts together.
Penguin books are no longer allowed in schools. The authors are all racist homosexual homophobes and colonialists,fantasists and paedophiles and their dubious 'work' should not be exposed to the minds of impressionable children and adolescents in the 21st century.
Last Friday I openrd up an account with IASbet and deposited $7,000 to make the most of their 15% sign up bonus (max $1000 bonus). They said the cash bonus would appear in my account within 24 hours. I placed a $3,000 bet with them on Friday night and a $700 bet on Saturday and both the bets lost.
Come Monday morning my bonus still wasn't in my account so I rang them and they said that it would be in there within 24 hours. It wasn't. I rang them again today and they said that the risk management/trading team have refused my application for a bonus but they wouldn't give a reason.
Is there anyone I can lodge a complaint to? Do I even have a leg to stand on? Surely they have to atleast give a reason for rejecting it...
Come Monday morning my bonus still wasn't in my account so I rang them and they said that it would be in there within 24 hours. It wasn't. I rang them again today and they said that the risk management/trading team have refused my application for a bonus but they wouldn't give a reason.
Is there anyone I can lodge a complaint to? Do I even have a leg to stand on? Surely they have to atleast give a reason for rejecting it...
Obviously you have been living on Mars, the past six months.
I'll bump a couple of threads on these pricks, for your benefit.
I'll bump a couple of threads on these pricks, for your benefit.
Charkitz,
You can lodge a written complaint at the following address:
gamblingdisputes@nt.gov.au
I am not sure if your particular issue comes into the realms of a gambling dispute, but it's worth a shot, right?
If they have clearly advertised the bonus and it is in plain English (gotta watch the fine print!), you should be able to enforce it, but I hope you're patient.
You can lodge a written complaint at the following address:
gamblingdisputes@nt.gov.au
I am not sure if your particular issue comes into the realms of a gambling dispute, but it's worth a shot, right?
If they have clearly advertised the bonus and it is in plain English (gotta watch the fine print!), you should be able to enforce it, but I hope you're patient.
No Castiron I have been living on Earth.
It's just I never used to read forums much but do so now. Wish I had read that thread before I donated $3,700 bucks to them.
CS the bonus they offered was as clear as mud and their terms and conditions are straight forward (turnover the full amount deposited + bonus amount etc etc).
Not sure what I did wrong. Maybe they thought I was only signing up to get the bonus... Dunno just be nice to get a reason for why they rejected it. But yeah I'll lodge a complaint, can't do any harm. Cheers for the address
It's just I never used to read forums much but do so now. Wish I had read that thread before I donated $3,700 bucks to them.
CS the bonus they offered was as clear as mud and their terms and conditions are straight forward (turnover the full amount deposited + bonus amount etc etc).
Not sure what I did wrong. Maybe they thought I was only signing up to get the bonus... Dunno just be nice to get a reason for why they rejected it. But yeah I'll lodge a complaint, can't do any harm. Cheers for the address
Charkitz if there were no terms and conditions violated by you I would think they have violated consumer law and a complaint to the ACCC would be warranted
Maybe they thought you were that bad that the initial deposit was likely to be lost without a whimper, along with it any bonus. Or did you forget to reset your modem before opening another account with them?
If it is as you say though they are clearly in the wrong. Problem for you though, is that they have that many different bullshit statements in the terms and conditions, that at the smell of a complaint against them they are just as likely to give you the bonus, and then limit your bets to 10-20 bucks so you can never turnover the 35k required before being eligible to make a withdrawal.
If it is as you say though they are clearly in the wrong. Problem for you though, is that they have that many different bullshit statements in the terms and conditions, that at the smell of a complaint against them they are just as likely to give you the bonus, and then limit your bets to 10-20 bucks so you can never turnover the 35k required before being eligible to make a withdrawal.
These conmen really have nobody to answer to and can pretty much do as they like. Had another phone call this morning from another mob that I haven't bet with for days informing me that my account is cancelled, so I can't even log in to check any history with them. No reason given. Had 3 bets with them since 23/6, 2 losing, then 1 bet at half time in the footy.
Wonder how hard it is and how much it would cost to start up one of these. Would easily be able to get to the top of the food chain within 12 months if you did it right, and you wouldn't need to ban anybody.
Wonder how hard it is and how much it would cost to start up one of these. Would easily be able to get to the top of the food chain within 12 months if you did it right, and you wouldn't need to ban anybody.
BJT I'M guessing they have an industry list of "problem" customers and you'll have trouble with them all, no matter how small or large you bet.
Charkitz, if u live in Victotia u r not entitled to any bonus
BJT this is the first account I've had with them. It was a completely legit account that I opened with them. If I was trying any funny business I wouldn't have the nerve to complain about it!
Logroller I live in Queensland. Before I deposited funds into my account with them I rang them to ensure that I qualified for their bonus and they confirmed that I did. All they asked was that I sent them proof of my address which I did and they then emailed me to say that my address had been verified.
I can handle having my bets limited at different bookmakers (that saves me money in most cases!!), but to offer me a bonus and then renig on it without an expalnation isn't right, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. The fact I made them nearly 4,000 bucks richer in the process just adds salt into the wound.
Anyway I'm going to write up a complaint now and send it off. It probably won't get me the bonus but atleast it will heighten the awareness of what these **** are doing.
Logroller I live in Queensland. Before I deposited funds into my account with them I rang them to ensure that I qualified for their bonus and they confirmed that I did. All they asked was that I sent them proof of my address which I did and they then emailed me to say that my address had been verified.
I can handle having my bets limited at different bookmakers (that saves me money in most cases!!), but to offer me a bonus and then renig on it without an expalnation isn't right, they shouldn't be allowed to get away with it. The fact I made them nearly 4,000 bucks richer in the process just adds salt into the wound.
Anyway I'm going to write up a complaint now and send it off. It probably won't get me the bonus but atleast it will heighten the awareness of what these **** are doing.
We already know what they're doing. They're pigs. There are at least 2 other threads related to these crooks already.
Yeah I realise that now. But heightening the awareness even greater can't do any harm.
Charky
Good luck with your endeavours.
As they are registered in the NT, I believe it is a waste of time contacting anyone there.
Good luck with your endeavours.
As they are registered in the NT, I believe it is a waste of time contacting anyone there.
Something else just came to my attention, but this one relates to Sportingbet/Centrebet.
Be very careful when placing head to head wagers with this company. I have checked the terms regarding payouts in the event of a draw and it appears that they have changed the rules. Because they list draw as a separate bet in the website, and its placement is ambiguous as to which market it pertains to, they may attempt to not pay half face value of the ticket. There are no stated rules on their website for regular season events, as follows:
153. AUSTRALIAN RULES FOOTBALL
Payouts are based on the official declared result. Any extra time played is included for betting purposes. For
matches without extra time, a draw is always included for margin betting and any bets placed on either team by
a margin will be considered losing bets in the case of a draw.
159. For match betting on a Grand Final, the betting is specific to the next match played; or the current match, in
the case of live [in running] betting. In the case of a draw, bets on the match winner will be paid out at half
face value and all other match-specific bets will be settled. Bets will not carry over to any replay and a new
market will be framed for any subsequent matches
There is enough ambiguity in these rules that you may be struggling to mount a case to get half face value paid. Be wary.
Be very careful when placing head to head wagers with this company. I have checked the terms regarding payouts in the event of a draw and it appears that they have changed the rules. Because they list draw as a separate bet in the website, and its placement is ambiguous as to which market it pertains to, they may attempt to not pay half face value of the ticket. There are no stated rules on their website for regular season events, as follows:
153. AUSTRALIAN RULES FOOTBALL
Payouts are based on the official declared result. Any extra time played is included for betting purposes. For
matches without extra time, a draw is always included for margin betting and any bets placed on either team by
a margin will be considered losing bets in the case of a draw.
159. For match betting on a Grand Final, the betting is specific to the next match played; or the current match, in
the case of live [in running] betting. In the case of a draw, bets on the match winner will be paid out at half
face value and all other match-specific bets will be settled. Bets will not carry over to any replay and a new
market will be framed for any subsequent matches
There is enough ambiguity in these rules that you may be struggling to mount a case to get half face value paid. Be wary.
I rang them to clarify just now. The girl I spoke to was insistent that a draw was a loss in head to head betting. I then spoke to someone else who said the opposite.
They don't even know their own rules, and yet we are expected to.
They don't even know their own rules, and yet we are expected to.
draw is dead heat rules, unless they have a price showing for draw in HTH market
Go to the website, nick. If you can say with absolute certainty that you won't have a fight on your hands should they decide not to pay you, good luck to you.
I fail to see the point? Looks to me that 153 says that a draw is offered in margin betting so if you take the margin you lose your bet if a draw.
The Grand Final is only included because the official winner of the flag depends on a different match. If a draw on match betting, it pays on the result of that game, and not the "official premiers" of the season.
Seems pretty clear to me. But then, oh forget it, he wouldn't get the insult anyway.
The Grand Final is only included because the official winner of the flag depends on a different match. If a draw on match betting, it pays on the result of that game, and not the "official premiers" of the season.
Seems pretty clear to me. But then, oh forget it, he wouldn't get the insult anyway.
59. A “Dead-Heat” occurs when two or more competitors are officially declared to have finished equal. This applies
to both winners and place getters in a single event. Unless otherwise stated, the following rule, known as the
“Dead- Heat Rule” applies:
(a) In the event of a Dead-Heat where dividends were not offered by Sportingbet on such an outcome,
bets will be paid at the face value of the ticket divided by the number of competitors tying for that
place;
(b) In any event for which each way betting is available, place ties will be paid such that the place portion
of the face value of the ticket is multiplied by the remaining number of places available and divided by
the number of competitors tying for those available number of placings;
(c) In the event of a Dead-Heat where odds were offered by Sportingbet on such an outcome, then all win
or place bets are losers and the draw option is paid as the winner.
Try again genius....
4 minutes to find the rules in the first place, 2 minutes to find the dead heat rule.....
to both winners and place getters in a single event. Unless otherwise stated, the following rule, known as the
“Dead- Heat Rule” applies:
(a) In the event of a Dead-Heat where dividends were not offered by Sportingbet on such an outcome,
bets will be paid at the face value of the ticket divided by the number of competitors tying for that
place;
(b) In any event for which each way betting is available, place ties will be paid such that the place portion
of the face value of the ticket is multiplied by the remaining number of places available and divided by
the number of competitors tying for those available number of placings;
(c) In the event of a Dead-Heat where odds were offered by Sportingbet on such an outcome, then all win
or place bets are losers and the draw option is paid as the winner.
Try again genius....
4 minutes to find the rules in the first place, 2 minutes to find the dead heat rule.....
I have no interest in being right on this occasion. I am just trying to make sure you are aware of potential pitfalls. If you are comfortable that you have it covered then ignore what I have said. To my mind it is sneaky and I wouldn't put it past these weak pr!cks to try and pull this one off.
no way the draw is included in Head to Head betting on AFL, i dont c any probs with how the betting is displaid on their site, pretty plain to me..........just saying
Unless otherwise stated, they play dead heat rules. The times they don't, is because they have offered a market for it, such as in margin betting, as they specified, specifically in the AFL rules, which are of course just extra rules specific to AFL.
Betfair are the sneaky ones in regards to draws, just need to look on the cricket forum. Apart from that, I have never had an issue being paid out for a draw on any sport from any bookie, that didn't offer a specific draw price.
Yes they are sneaky shifty places, but at the same time they still need to cover their own ****. As badly worded and presented their terms and conditions are, I still think they are on the whole places that will payout when required.
Betfair are the sneaky ones in regards to draws, just need to look on the cricket forum. Apart from that, I have never had an issue being paid out for a draw on any sport from any bookie, that didn't offer a specific draw price.
Yes they are sneaky shifty places, but at the same time they still need to cover their own ****. As badly worded and presented their terms and conditions are, I still think they are on the whole places that will payout when required.
You could possibly go to fair trading or something like that regarding the bonus, if they advertised it and you adhered to their rules then it would be false advertising if they dont give it to you.
Loggy,
The draw in head to head has inherently been included in the past. I have had it happen before and got paid half the face value.
It seems they have changed the rules at Centrebet, but if you go to a number of other websites you will find draw is not included in the head to head prices.
That means Sportingbet is skimming 2% and the punters won't be aware until a draw actually hits.
I am just trying to do the right thing and warn the unsuspecting. It's really no skin off my nose what you believe in the end.
The draw in head to head has inherently been included in the past. I have had it happen before and got paid half the face value.
It seems they have changed the rules at Centrebet, but if you go to a number of other websites you will find draw is not included in the head to head prices.
That means Sportingbet is skimming 2% and the punters won't be aware until a draw actually hits.
I am just trying to do the right thing and warn the unsuspecting. It's really no skin off my nose what you believe in the end.
but your wrong.....the draw is not quoted in either centreb or sportingb head to head markets on AFL or what they refer to as straight. therefore if no draw is quoted then its half face value................unless i may be looking at the wrong site........and thats what their rules say
I'm not wrong or right. God you can be argumentative. I told you I rang them to clarify and got two different answers.
I am giving fair warning to anyone that bets head to head and expects to get the draw inherent. They may or may not, depending upon who you ask.
FFS!
I am giving fair warning to anyone that bets head to head and expects to get the draw inherent. They may or may not, depending upon who you ask.
FFS!
i'm not arguementative at all....................................so just get fcked
I would like to take your advice but I suspect my wife won't be a willing participant.
Puntlane has been advertising a bit of late. I think it's Peter Costa, the legendary Cups doubles bookie. Should be an ok product. Let me know.
Just an update on the dispute I was having with IASbet regarding the bonus I didn't receive. Turns out miracles do happen! Here's the email IASbet sent me this morning...
Dear xxxx,
We refer to your recent correspondence with us and the subsequent complaint lodged with the NTRC, regarding our High Roller Bonus Promotion.
We would like to advise after consideration of your situation and the conversations held with our Customer Service staff we would like to confirm we are willing to honour this promotion.
We would like to confirm the deposit made of $7,000 entitled you to receive a maximum of $1000.00 as per the High Roller Bonus - these funds have been added to your betting account.
To allow us to resolve and close this particular issue, can you please confirm if you require any further information or action on our behalf.
If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact our Customer Service Team. We are here to help via Live Chat, Email or Phone.
Kind Regards,
xxxx
IASbet Customer Service - Team Leader
So it turns out sending an email to gamblingdisputes@nt.gov.au was well worth my while. I would recommend anyone else in a similar situation to do likewise, they dealt with this dispute very swiftly.
And thanks again CS for pointing me in the right direction.
Dear xxxx,
We refer to your recent correspondence with us and the subsequent complaint lodged with the NTRC, regarding our High Roller Bonus Promotion.
We would like to advise after consideration of your situation and the conversations held with our Customer Service staff we would like to confirm we are willing to honour this promotion.
We would like to confirm the deposit made of $7,000 entitled you to receive a maximum of $1000.00 as per the High Roller Bonus - these funds have been added to your betting account.
To allow us to resolve and close this particular issue, can you please confirm if you require any further information or action on our behalf.
If you have any further queries, please do not hesitate to contact our Customer Service Team. We are here to help via Live Chat, Email or Phone.
Kind Regards,
xxxx
IASbet Customer Service - Team Leader
So it turns out sending an email to gamblingdisputes@nt.gov.au was well worth my while. I would recommend anyone else in a similar situation to do likewise, they dealt with this dispute very swiftly.
And thanks again CS for pointing me in the right direction.
Nice one, funny how the weren't prepared to do it until you went to the government 
Yeah it should never have had to come to that in the first place. But it's nice to have a win in the end
And it gets better. Turns out the $1,000 bonus is instantly withdrawable 
Thanks Charkitz for bringing this one up and the ggod news re its finalisation. Handy to know.
No worries. Whilst I'm at it, it should also be noted that if you do challenge them they (and sportsbet) will severely limit your account. I just placed a $20 bet at Sportsbet which was rejected, it never even got referred to a trader.
In that case C I'd ask why it was blocked and, depending on the answer, I'd shoot another email off to the Commission saying that because I've complained it appears I am being penalised.
I'm sure that would be if great interest to them, can't see that being ignored as it kills the whole process if you win only to be banned as a direct result.
I'm sure that would be if great interest to them, can't see that being ignored as it kills the whole process if you win only to be banned as a direct result.
Charkitz,
You're most welcome. Glad to see you got the result you were seeking.
I'd like to see you do what SU suggested. That would seem like a very interesting way forward.
NT Gov resolved the issue so they (Sportsbet) decided to penalise you another way. I am quite sure that will meet with a raised eyebrow or two at the NT Government for starters.
You're most welcome. Glad to see you got the result you were seeking.
I'd like to see you do what SU suggested. That would seem like a very interesting way forward.
NT Gov resolved the issue so they (Sportsbet) decided to penalise you another way. I am quite sure that will meet with a raised eyebrow or two at the NT Government for starters.
CS I rang IASbet and asked them why I could no longer place even a $20 bet on any sports. They said that their traders had made the decision on a 'risk management' basis. Despite never actually winning one bet with them 
I'm not sure if contacting the NT Government would achieve much as technically they are within their rights to restrict me. Even if it is bullshit.
I'm not sure if contacting the NT Government would achieve much as technically they are within their rights to restrict me. Even if it is bullshit.
Are they within their rights to advertise a price and then refuse to take a reasonable bet at that price?
There's something wrong with an industry that is this unregulated. Sure, we have the NT government, but I don't want to be contacting them every day for what amounts to everyday practices, right or wrong.
There's something wrong with an industry that is this unregulated. Sure, we have the NT government, but I don't want to be contacting them every day for what amounts to everyday practices, right or wrong.
Yes they are within their rights. And are they within their rights to advertise a price and when someone goes to place a bet at that price they reject the bet and bring their prices in immediately? Yes they are. Sad but true.
If everyone that's had their accounts restricted contacted the NT Government then they'd have a fulltime job dealing with these complaints alone.
If everyone that's had their accounts restricted contacted the NT Government then they'd have a fulltime job dealing with these complaints alone.
"They said that their traders had made the decision on a 'risk management' basis. Despite never actually winning one bet with them "
I'd definately make that post to the NT commission
(a) the only conclusion from that is that you HAVE been barred for disputing and/or
(b) an alert to the commission that this sort of mealy crap banning behaviour is going on even if unrelated to your complaint.
to me it would be interesting to see what the response is from both parties. It may be helpful to a number of people here that allege they have been banned. I realise that others have allegedlu been banned on a purely commercial decision base with thus no comeback but you have a little wedge here that your ban has, perhaps, a hidden agenda, so the response of "commercial decision" may not wash with the commission especially with "no bets".
The mythical "man in the street", not knowing how these organisations seemingly dodge certain customers, would conclude "victimised" just about certainly IMHO.
Is the gaming commission seemingly ignoring this behaviour from the corporates or will they be "the man in the street"?
I'd definately make that post to the NT commission
(a) the only conclusion from that is that you HAVE been barred for disputing and/or
(b) an alert to the commission that this sort of mealy crap banning behaviour is going on even if unrelated to your complaint.
to me it would be interesting to see what the response is from both parties. It may be helpful to a number of people here that allege they have been banned. I realise that others have allegedlu been banned on a purely commercial decision base with thus no comeback but you have a little wedge here that your ban has, perhaps, a hidden agenda, so the response of "commercial decision" may not wash with the commission especially with "no bets".
The mythical "man in the street", not knowing how these organisations seemingly dodge certain customers, would conclude "victimised" just about certainly IMHO.
Is the gaming commission seemingly ignoring this behaviour from the corporates or will they be "the man in the street"?
Today I contacted Peter Costa at Puntlane. I asked him for 2 bets, one for a loss of 3000 and the other for a loss of 2500.
He accepted both bets gleefully and asked if I wanted anything else.
I wonder why I bother with corps at all. During the week I requested a bet with Betstar for a loss to them of 2100. They counter offered me 500.
Just a minute ago I requested a bet from Sportsbet for a loss to them of 1300, they offered me 650 and when I declined they trimmed the price 3 points.
As the thread title says, R.I.P.
He accepted both bets gleefully and asked if I wanted anything else.
I wonder why I bother with corps at all. During the week I requested a bet with Betstar for a loss to them of 2100. They counter offered me 500.
Just a minute ago I requested a bet from Sportsbet for a loss to them of 1300, they offered me 650 and when I declined they trimmed the price 3 points.
As the thread title says, R.I.P.
good bloke costa, snake r u talkin sports bets...eg afl
i really dont understand their thinking..................yesterday i went to have a bet on the chiefs minus 6.5 @1.92 with sportsbet, the max bet i could have was 326$......... now they left the same betting up until game time, so this has to tell me that they wanted to lay that outcome, however after trying again to back it i was given nothing, this just doesnt compute, does it?
Had the same thing, Loggy.
IAS offering 13/1 on one option, I tried to have 100 on it, they declined, offered me 25 and then trimmed 3 points.
An hour later it was back up to 13/1. What does that mean? They want to lay it but they don't want me to get it?
Bunch of fcking beaureaucrats. I hope they all rot in hell.
Costa was sports betting, 1 was AFL and the other NRL. Seems like a real nice fella too. He doesnt offer much, but what he does offer he will take a decent bet on.
I hope he continues to thrive. A guy of real integrity.
IAS offering 13/1 on one option, I tried to have 100 on it, they declined, offered me 25 and then trimmed 3 points.
An hour later it was back up to 13/1. What does that mean? They want to lay it but they don't want me to get it?
Bunch of fcking beaureaucrats. I hope they all rot in hell.
Costa was sports betting, 1 was AFL and the other NRL. Seems like a real nice fella too. He doesnt offer much, but what he does offer he will take a decent bet on.
I hope he continues to thrive. A guy of real integrity.
Come on Crazy mate.There are other threads on here. Spread yourself around a bit!!
what happened to the vendetta from valetta ?? looked like a promising fight... now nothing !! ffs i hope lawyers aren't going to spoil it for us.
Mr Roller, the simple explanation for that is this, you're obviously restricted with them, they didn't want to wind the price in because a winning player backed it, then all their "good" customers can't get the price.
The difference is they don't mind their good customers backing a winner, as the money will be lost back to them, but thats not the case with a winning punter
The difference is they don't mind their good customers backing a winner, as the money will be lost back to them, but thats not the case with a winning punter
does anyone know the criteria for being restricted by the corps?
or what sort of software is being used?
i have always thought that if you knew how the restrictions were
put in place then you are at least some way avoiding being
restricted.
or what sort of software is being used?
i have always thought that if you knew how the restrictions were
put in place then you are at least some way avoiding being
restricted.
KDM,
I would if there was something interesting to talk about. Just so boring around here of late.
All I do is yawn. Y..Olympics..awn...:O
I would if there was something interesting to talk about. Just so boring around here of late.
All I do is yawn. Y..Olympics..awn...:O
aachen,
Repeatedly hit their overs for big money until they get sick of paying out cos they're too stupid to know how to accurately price sporting events.
Then take out big chunks of money until they notice.
Then you'll get restricted to $0.25 bets until you quit.
Repeatedly hit their overs for big money until they get sick of paying out cos they're too stupid to know how to accurately price sporting events.
Then take out big chunks of money until they notice.
Then you'll get restricted to $0.25 bets until you quit.
yes but is it the size of bet?
or
or my profit a)per race b)cumulative c) shorteners?
or do they just guess?
or
or my profit a)per race b)cumulative c) shorteners?
or do they just guess?
I suspect it's a combination of things, but in my case I hit their overs a lot and I reckon they have software to pick up on that trend.
I am just guessing, but that's how it seems to me.
I am just guessing, but that's how it seems to me.
so you get a bowler and keep under their overs?
if that makes sense?
if that makes sense?
OMG, just tried to have $150 on Parra -12.5 at 6.75 with Sportsbet, rejected without even a counter offer.
That's an all time low for these fckers.
They spend millions in advertising to entice morons but won't even give me a bet to lose $1k.
Pathetic, simply pathetic.
That's an all time low for these fckers.
They spend millions in advertising to entice morons but won't even give me a bet to lose $1k.
Pathetic, simply pathetic.
I watch After The Bounce most weeks & they have a segment detailing out of the ordinary winning bets each week, for example this week there were these successful bets -
- @120 @ $29 Geelong 1-2pt winning margin - $3480 collect
- $1000 @ $10 GWS 1-39pt win - $10000 collect
- $1000 @ $15 Freo 40+ - $15000 collect
- $20 @ $201 Rich-WCE high low double - $4020 collect
I wonder who these 'lucky' punters are?...friends of the family mayhap
- @120 @ $29 Geelong 1-2pt winning margin - $3480 collect
- $1000 @ $10 GWS 1-39pt win - $10000 collect
- $1000 @ $15 Freo 40+ - $15000 collect
- $20 @ $201 Rich-WCE high low double - $4020 collect
I wonder who these 'lucky' punters are?...friends of the family mayhap
Forgot to mention it's a sportsbet.com.au sponsored segment...
I want to do something about it but there's nothing, no avenue. They are allowed to do this.
Just astounds me.
Just astounds me.
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