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photos of the latest boat load of illegal refugees crammed on a boat says to me australia are being made to look fools. would like to see photo when they left. how can a boat leave a port looking like that.
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If you don't like it, why don't you lot, catch a boat and go live in a county that does not accept refugees then?
We do, get over it, or get out....imo......Our country would be better off with less people that hold your opinion anyway.
We signed the Treaty, Abbott agrees with it, Abbott's going to increase the intake to 20,000
That must really p iss you lot off.
We do, get over it, or get out....imo......Our country would be better off with less people that hold your opinion anyway.
We signed the Treaty, Abbott agrees with it, Abbott's going to increase the intake to 20,000
That must really p iss you lot off.
No AFL,
If THEY dont like it, they can go and get thoroughly fcuked and leave OUR country.
If THEY dont like it, they can go and get thoroughly fcuked and leave OUR country.
without being predudice, racist or whatever AFL, are you Sri lankan? you take great offense on this thread, it seems to upset you, maybe its a thread you should avoid??
the border protection policy in place before labour came into place was working quite well...no deaths, and thats the main thing, no woman or children drowning.
everyone has a right to their opinion.
the border protection policy in place before labour came into place was working quite well...no deaths, and thats the main thing, no woman or children drowning.
everyone has a right to their opinion.
Mrben, if you bothered to look at the world trends for Refugees you will see that Australia follows the world trends and any peaks and troughs are the result of Wars, Disasters etc, in the region of the countries that accept them.
Around the year 2000 till the mid 2000's (from memory) was the lowest flow of refugees world wide, there was a lull. Push factors influence refugee movement far more than Pull factors, this a proven fact. The data proves it. It is only the politicians that say Pull factors outweigh Push factors.....because they prefer to have the population in a thinly veiled state of fear.
Around the year 2000 till the mid 2000's (from memory) was the lowest flow of refugees world wide, there was a lull. Push factors influence refugee movement far more than Pull factors, this a proven fact. The data proves it. It is only the politicians that say Pull factors outweigh Push factors.....because they prefer to have the population in a thinly veiled state of fear.
An asylum seeker is a person who has fled their own country and applied for protection under the human rights.
why then do these people tear up the pssports and papers???
why then do these people tear up the pssports and papers???
DT we have to accept them by law, we signed the treaty, if you don't like the treaty, start a political party to back out of it or something, go to a country that doesn't have one perhaps.
Myth 16: People who destroy their identification can't be genuine
Fact: Most refugees are not able to travel through conventional channels because they cannot obtain a passport from the government that is persecuting them, or they are fleeing from. Identification documents enable not only Australian immigration officials to determine identity but also representatives of the regime people are fleeing. This places relatives within countries like Afghanistan and Iraq at risk. Moreover, people fleeing from political persecution are at greater risk within their own country if they can be identified when they are on the move.
Fact: Most refugees are not able to travel through conventional channels because they cannot obtain a passport from the government that is persecuting them, or they are fleeing from. Identification documents enable not only Australian immigration officials to determine identity but also representatives of the regime people are fleeing. This places relatives within countries like Afghanistan and Iraq at risk. Moreover, people fleeing from political persecution are at greater risk within their own country if they can be identified when they are on the move.
The figures don't lie........According to Amnesty International 1 in every 115 people on earth are refugees, and a new refugee is created every 21 seconds. Refugees re-settle all over the world. However, the distribution of refugees across the world is very unequal.
The real burden of assisting refugees is borne in the main by the world's poorest nations.
Fact.
The real burden of assisting refugees is borne in the main by the world's poorest nations.
Fact.
AFL - you are a completely deluded individual.No matter the subject matter you post the most absurd stuff.
One could be excused for thinking that in real life- you are julia gilliard.!
no one else in this country has such blind faith.
One could be excused for thinking that in real life- you are julia gilliard.!
no one else in this country has such blind faith.
Coming from someone that thinks 4% growth equals a ression
I'll take that as a compliment.
I'll take that as a compliment.
They are breaking the law...Law breakers should be treated as Lawbreakers... They are just leaving their Countries because of our Govts slack ...this was proven on 60 minutes..They're were waiting for the change in Govt.
Plus they shocking card players and Greek will clean them up ha ha!!
Plus they shocking card players and Greek will clean them up ha ha!!
Greek has card skills no need for slippery stuff...strategies are in blood of Greeks..Asylum seekers don't go to Greece because Navy fire cannon over heads of boats..no talking just body language is enough....Greek should be in Govt here...sort it all out very quickly.imo's
I saw Senator Milne on ABC TV 2 nights ago and she was asked asked if the Greens felt responsible in any way for the refugee seekers drowning whilst trying to reach Australia. Senator Milne responded that she thought this question was offensive. Her response then followed that the Australian Government should ensure the refugee applicants receive safe passage to Australia for processing. No offshore processing.
Does anyone know if the Greens have elaborated how the Government would ensure safe passage and why others would not jump on a boat.
Does anyone know if the Greens have elaborated how the Government would ensure safe passage and why others would not jump on a boat.
They just gonna email the Govt with a pick up address...fair dinkum!! crazy talk. ffs,
greek navy, now thats a funny one................hello sailor
Hal - more money for regional processing and take more overall - Abbott has gone to 20k they want 25k
Mr Abbott's compromise was to raise Australia's humanitarian intake from 13,750 a year to 20,000 a year within three years of being elected
so what that means wombleoz and AFL is that once in power he will again bring back the protection border policy and the 20,000 will come from those waiting in line...NOT the queue jumpers.
so what that means wombleoz and AFL is that once in power he will again bring back the protection border policy and the 20,000 will come from those waiting in line...NOT the queue jumpers.
“Asylum seekers are queue jumpers.”
Applying for protection onshore is not a means of “jumping the queue” or bypassing the “proper” process of applying for protection. In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin. This means that you cannot apply for refugee status if you are inside your own country. In order to be recognised as a refugee, you must leave your country and apply for refugee status in another country. Every refugee in the world – including those who Australia resettles from overseas – has, at some point, entered another country to seek asylum.
The vast majority of the world’s refugees either return home once conditions which forced them to leave have improved; or settle permanently in their country of first asylum. For some refugees, however, these solutions are not possible. For example, some countries are hosting very large numbers of refugees or don’t have the capacity to provide effective protection, and therefore require assistance from other countries to fulfil their protection obligations. In other cases, a country may simply refuse to provide any form of protection or assistance to refugees and asylum seekers.
In these sorts of cases, it may be necessary for refugees to be resettled in a third country. However, there is no resettlement “queue” which onshore applicants are trying to evade. Resettlement is intended to be a complement to, not a substitute for, providing protection to refugees who apply for asylum onshore. It is a way of providing a solution for refugees who have been unable to find effective protection elsewhere, but is certainly not the standard or only “legitimate” way to find protection – it’s simply a different solution based on different circumstances. In fact, only a tiny minority (less than one per cent of the world’s refugees) are resettled in third countries.
The UN resettlement system does not work like a queue. The term “queue” implies that resettlement is an orderly process and, if you join the end, you are guaranteed to reach the front within a certain amount of time. In reality, the UN resettlement system works more like a lottery than a queue.
Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and therefore simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option. Furthermore, refugees are prioritised for resettlement according to need, not according to how long they have been waiting.
These needs fluctuate and are continuously reassessed. For example, conditions in a refugee-producing country may improve, allowing refugees from that country to return home if they wish; or conditions in a refugee-hosting country may deteriorate, placing the refugees in that country in greater need of resettlement. A person who has been waiting for resettlement for one year may be prioritised ahead of a person who has been waiting for 10 years, if the former’s need for resettlement is assessed as being greater.
Applying for protection onshore is not a means of “jumping the queue” or bypassing the “proper” process of applying for protection. In fact, applying onshore is the standard procedure for seeking protection. According to the definition in the UN Refugee Convention, refugees are persons who are outside their country of origin. This means that you cannot apply for refugee status if you are inside your own country. In order to be recognised as a refugee, you must leave your country and apply for refugee status in another country. Every refugee in the world – including those who Australia resettles from overseas – has, at some point, entered another country to seek asylum.
The vast majority of the world’s refugees either return home once conditions which forced them to leave have improved; or settle permanently in their country of first asylum. For some refugees, however, these solutions are not possible. For example, some countries are hosting very large numbers of refugees or don’t have the capacity to provide effective protection, and therefore require assistance from other countries to fulfil their protection obligations. In other cases, a country may simply refuse to provide any form of protection or assistance to refugees and asylum seekers.
In these sorts of cases, it may be necessary for refugees to be resettled in a third country. However, there is no resettlement “queue” which onshore applicants are trying to evade. Resettlement is intended to be a complement to, not a substitute for, providing protection to refugees who apply for asylum onshore. It is a way of providing a solution for refugees who have been unable to find effective protection elsewhere, but is certainly not the standard or only “legitimate” way to find protection – it’s simply a different solution based on different circumstances. In fact, only a tiny minority (less than one per cent of the world’s refugees) are resettled in third countries.
The UN resettlement system does not work like a queue. The term “queue” implies that resettlement is an orderly process and, if you join the end, you are guaranteed to reach the front within a certain amount of time. In reality, the UN resettlement system works more like a lottery than a queue.
Many refugees lack access to UNHCR’s resettlement processes altogether and therefore simply do not have resettlement available to them as an option. Furthermore, refugees are prioritised for resettlement according to need, not according to how long they have been waiting.
These needs fluctuate and are continuously reassessed. For example, conditions in a refugee-producing country may improve, allowing refugees from that country to return home if they wish; or conditions in a refugee-hosting country may deteriorate, placing the refugees in that country in greater need of resettlement. A person who has been waiting for resettlement for one year may be prioritised ahead of a person who has been waiting for 10 years, if the former’s need for resettlement is assessed as being greater.
yes megsy, all will be perfect - no more boats - things that worked when numbers were down worldwide will work exactly the same when they are up 
this country was not defended so freeloaders could invade.
the irony of it all
aussies complaining about immigrants
flamin' hypocrates
aussies complaining about immigrants
flamin' hypocrates
you have to feel for the locals.
"Christmas Island residents have to see dead bodies being dragged up the main street of town again," Mr Tremayne said.
"Bodies have to be carted around on the island - people on the mainland don't have to put up with this."
Christmas Island used to be famous for its mass migration of red crabs. It takes the tenacious female crabs a month to make the marathon trek to the beach to give their young a chance at life.
It is a common theme on Christmas Island: parents risking everything.
In recent months Afghanis, Iranians, Iraqis, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Burmese refugees have risked plenty.
Why do they end up on this island paradise? Because since 1957 it has been Australian soil - even though it is 2600km northwest of Perth.
It is a territory policed by the Australian Federal Police with English as the official language and the Australian dollar its currency.
The island's district high school has 400 students from kinder to year 12 who learn from a West Australian curriculum.
The principal is Ian Francis, an Australian who has lived there with his family for nine years.
The permanent population is about 1400, but that can swell to 4000 when there is an emergency.
Ms Tisdale said the strain was starting to show as news of another two boat arrivals was confirmed yesterday - the fifth in less than a week.
"People are run ragged and we have no voice, no say," she said.
Ms Tisdale said research showed stress and mental health issues had increased and that the cost of living had forced some locals to leave.
But Linda Cash, who until recently had lived on the island for 10 years and still works for the tourism association, said there was a lot of empathy and that the island was still attracting tourists.
She agreed it was becoming known for all the wrong reasons.
"The brand image has been damaged," she said.
But Ms Cash said tourists were not being turned away.
Christmas Island polarised Australian politics last week and ended with MPs going into the winter break without a decision on how best to manage the asylum seekers.
Ms Tisdale said she cannot see the detention centre closing down, but felt the situation was out of control.
"Christmas Island residents have to see dead bodies being dragged up the main street of town again," Mr Tremayne said.
"Bodies have to be carted around on the island - people on the mainland don't have to put up with this."
Christmas Island used to be famous for its mass migration of red crabs. It takes the tenacious female crabs a month to make the marathon trek to the beach to give their young a chance at life.
It is a common theme on Christmas Island: parents risking everything.
In recent months Afghanis, Iranians, Iraqis, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis and Burmese refugees have risked plenty.
Why do they end up on this island paradise? Because since 1957 it has been Australian soil - even though it is 2600km northwest of Perth.
It is a territory policed by the Australian Federal Police with English as the official language and the Australian dollar its currency.
The island's district high school has 400 students from kinder to year 12 who learn from a West Australian curriculum.
The principal is Ian Francis, an Australian who has lived there with his family for nine years.
The permanent population is about 1400, but that can swell to 4000 when there is an emergency.
Ms Tisdale said the strain was starting to show as news of another two boat arrivals was confirmed yesterday - the fifth in less than a week.
"People are run ragged and we have no voice, no say," she said.
Ms Tisdale said research showed stress and mental health issues had increased and that the cost of living had forced some locals to leave.
But Linda Cash, who until recently had lived on the island for 10 years and still works for the tourism association, said there was a lot of empathy and that the island was still attracting tourists.
She agreed it was becoming known for all the wrong reasons.
"The brand image has been damaged," she said.
But Ms Cash said tourists were not being turned away.
Christmas Island polarised Australian politics last week and ended with MPs going into the winter break without a decision on how best to manage the asylum seekers.
Ms Tisdale said she cannot see the detention centre closing down, but felt the situation was out of control.
Monday Mike's certain solution to Refugee problem.
We stop bending over backwards helping America bombing the shiit out of these peoples country. Been going on for 40 years since the Vietnam war and will continue for decades to come. Just discovered besides being a racing expert I just discovered I'm a political whizz.
We stop bending over backwards helping America bombing the shiit out of these peoples country. Been going on for 40 years since the Vietnam war and will continue for decades to come. Just discovered besides being a racing expert I just discovered I'm a political whizz.
Yes i would agree half the problems are caused by Americas greed to take over the world.
Forget the consultants Julia..Forget spending more money and giving Indonesia our planes ffs..."They don't like us"..There you go Julia "They don't like us" pretty simple...oh and by the way..Indonesia will always let them go because They don't like them either..They're Shiite (not sure of the spelling) Muslims.. Indonesian s are "Suni's"... Great Leader we got.ffs
I think every Australia should chip in & let's build Tony a boat so he dan defend Australia from these bad people trying to get a better life, away from govts that pillage their own. He's full of sh*t, has no backbone & a very weak individual climbing onto the back of redneck Australia
FFS people, watching Australians debate this & say 'stop the boats' makes me embarrassed to be Australian.
Have a good look at yourselves.
Have any of you red necks ever taken the time to meet a refugee, heard their story?
You should be ashamed of yourselves & probably look within to see why you harbour such hatred towards people you have never met
Or maybe watch the SBS show 'go back to where you came from'.
FFS people, watching Australians debate this & say 'stop the boats' makes me embarrassed to be Australian.
Have a good look at yourselves.
Have any of you red necks ever taken the time to meet a refugee, heard their story?
You should be ashamed of yourselves & probably look within to see why you harbour such hatred towards people you have never met
Or maybe watch the SBS show 'go back to where you came from'.
I've met plenty of them Rip..and guess what ..they fkn hate each other.. get into the World you goose...it don't work.
agrees with lazza and i will add, they are fcukin queue jumping legit refugees, these queue jumpers are the wealthy who can afford the $10,000 plus to get on a junk boat. Thats a hell of a lot of money for $5 a week labourers.
and before anyone calls us racist, take a look at the arabs.
The workers. The Asians: Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, and Filipinos. Early in the morning, before the white mercenaries have negotiated their hangovers, long before the Emiratis have shouted at the maid, buses full of hard-hatted Asians pull into building sites. They have the tough, downtrodden look of Communist posters from the 30s—they are both the slaves of capital and the heroes of labor. Asians man the hotels; they run the civil service and the utilities and commercial businesses; they are the clerks and the secretaries, the lawyers, the doctors, the accountants; there isn’t a single facet of this state that would function if they didn’t maintain it. No one with an Emirati passport could change a fuse. Yet, the workers, who make up roughly 71 percent of the population, have precious few rights here. They can’t become citizens, though some are the third generation of their family to be born here. They can be deported at any time. They have no redress. Many of the Asian laborers are owed back pay they aren’t likely to get. There are reams of anecdotal stories about the abuse of guest workers. I’m told about the Pakistani shop assistant who, picking up an Arab woman’s shopping bags, accidentally passed gas, got arrested, and was jailed.
The workers. The Asians: Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, and Filipinos. Early in the morning, before the white mercenaries have negotiated their hangovers, long before the Emiratis have shouted at the maid, buses full of hard-hatted Asians pull into building sites. They have the tough, downtrodden look of Communist posters from the 30s—they are both the slaves of capital and the heroes of labor. Asians man the hotels; they run the civil service and the utilities and commercial businesses; they are the clerks and the secretaries, the lawyers, the doctors, the accountants; there isn’t a single facet of this state that would function if they didn’t maintain it. No one with an Emirati passport could change a fuse. Yet, the workers, who make up roughly 71 percent of the population, have precious few rights here. They can’t become citizens, though some are the third generation of their family to be born here. They can be deported at any time. They have no redress. Many of the Asian laborers are owed back pay they aren’t likely to get. There are reams of anecdotal stories about the abuse of guest workers. I’m told about the Pakistani shop assistant who, picking up an Arab woman’s shopping bags, accidentally passed gas, got arrested, and was jailed.
part 2
Dubai World Cup, the most expensive horse race in the world, naturally. This place couldn’t have the second-most expensive horse race in the world. The winner pockets $10 million.
The track sits in a wasteland surrounded by the exhausted squirm of motorways. I walk around it and look not at the galloping horses and their bright jockeys but back up at the stands. Here in one long panorama is the Dantean vision of modern Dubai—the Arabs huddled in a glass dome, looking like creatures from a Star Trek episode in their sepulchral winding-sheet dishdashas. Next to them are the stands for Westerners, mostly British, loud and drunk, dressed in their tarty party gear. The girls, raucous and provocative, have fat thighs that wobble in tiny frocks. Cantilevered bosoms lurch. The boys, spiky and gelled, glassy-eyed and leering. In the last enclosure, the Asians, packed in with families and picnics, excited to be out of the Portakabin dormitories and the boredom and the homesickness of Internet cafés. In front of them all are the ranks of wired-up security guards, making sure the layers of this mutually dismissive society don’t pollute each other.
Dubai World Cup, the most expensive horse race in the world, naturally. This place couldn’t have the second-most expensive horse race in the world. The winner pockets $10 million.
The track sits in a wasteland surrounded by the exhausted squirm of motorways. I walk around it and look not at the galloping horses and their bright jockeys but back up at the stands. Here in one long panorama is the Dantean vision of modern Dubai—the Arabs huddled in a glass dome, looking like creatures from a Star Trek episode in their sepulchral winding-sheet dishdashas. Next to them are the stands for Westerners, mostly British, loud and drunk, dressed in their tarty party gear. The girls, raucous and provocative, have fat thighs that wobble in tiny frocks. Cantilevered bosoms lurch. The boys, spiky and gelled, glassy-eyed and leering. In the last enclosure, the Asians, packed in with families and picnics, excited to be out of the Portakabin dormitories and the boredom and the homesickness of Internet cafés. In front of them all are the ranks of wired-up security guards, making sure the layers of this mutually dismissive society don’t pollute each other.
And when the stories start to filter through of the smugglers dumping them at sea and turning around..Who ya think is gonna get the blame?
And when the stories start to filter through of the smugglers dumping them at sea and turning around..Who ya think is gonna get the blame?
and yet another one today ...
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/14125053/another-asylum-seeker-boat-in-distress/
but don't worry our navy is there to pick them up
Indonesian authorities have called for assistance from merchant vessels in the area but HMAS Wollongong is likely to be the first on the scene.
... do any of these boats coming with the poor wretched souls hoping for a better life in Oz ...
EVER NOT SINK ????
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/latest/14125053/another-asylum-seeker-boat-in-distress/
but don't worry our navy is there to pick them up
Indonesian authorities have called for assistance from merchant vessels in the area but HMAS Wollongong is likely to be the first on the scene.
... do any of these boats coming with the poor wretched souls hoping for a better life in Oz ...
EVER NOT SINK ????
And when the stories start to filter through of the smugglers dumping them at sea and turning around..Who ya think is gonna get the blame?
spot om lazza
spot om lazza
the indonesian police thankfully ... have assisted our own endeavours in finding these smugglers ...
Indonesian police say a suspected Pakistani people smuggler involved in the refugee boat tragedy which killed 90 people last month is now on Christmas Island.
Indonesian police say a suspected Pakistani people smuggler involved in the refugee boat tragedy which killed 90 people last month is now on Christmas Island.
http://au.news.yahoo.com/queensland/a/-/latest/14124601/people-smuggler-made...
He's probably drinkn coffee with Fed's ffs...Our boy's wouldn't know.
ANOTHER asylum seeker boat has signalled it is in distress south of Indonesia, Home Affairs Minister Jason Clare says.
The boat, which is about 50 nautical miles south of Indonesia, made a distress call at 4.30am AEST, Mr Clare told ABC Radio this morning.
It is believed to be carrying between 130 and 180 people.
News Ltd has reported military sources suspect people smugglers deliberately capsized two boats in Indonesian waters last month, killing 94 people.
Defence sources noted that neither vessel was in rough seas when they got in distress, and there was a strong suspicion that one of the boats was deliberately overturned so the survivors could cling to the hull.HMAS Wollongong is en route to the stricken boat and should be there within the hour.
"The boat has rung, said it's in distress, that it's taking on water," Mr Clare said.
The boat, which is about 50 nautical miles south of Indonesia, made a distress call at 4.30am AEST, Mr Clare told ABC Radio this morning.
It is believed to be carrying between 130 and 180 people.
News Ltd has reported military sources suspect people smugglers deliberately capsized two boats in Indonesian waters last month, killing 94 people.
Defence sources noted that neither vessel was in rough seas when they got in distress, and there was a strong suspicion that one of the boats was deliberately overturned so the survivors could cling to the hull.HMAS Wollongong is en route to the stricken boat and should be there within the hour.
"The boat has rung, said it's in distress, that it's taking on water," Mr Clare said.
It's a fkn free for all ...Making fools of us ffs...They're playing a deadly game.
christ, just how close is Indonesia to us?
50 f vcken miles of their coast??
50 f vcken miles of their coast??
It's like ringn up for your Chinese meal mopes...you want it ready when you get there dont ya?
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anyone seen the pic in the heraldsun sunday, a woman suposedly a boat person. her hair looked well groomed as did her clothing,like she spent $400 on it (hair) before the boat sailed off.
lol Megs...and when they picked her up she was standing in ankle deep water havn a frolic ffs.
no wonder iranians are queue jumping.
Iranian-born Azadeh Laghai had just settled in her aisle seat on a flight from the Gold Coast to Melbourne on January 31 last year when a flight attendant opened a compartment above her - causing a 7kg-8kg bag to fall on her head.
The 46-year-old mother of two claimed the incident left her with ongoing neck, arm and hand pain that required medication and physiotherapy.
She claimed Virgin paid for two initial physiotherapy sessions but refused further visits, despite a neurosurgeon diagnosing her with a chronic soft tissue injury around her cervical spine.
Mrs Laghai claims she had been debilitated by her injuries and, due to her Middle-Eastern background, she felt great guilt that her husband Siamak Laghai and teenage son had been forced to take over most of the domestic duties at their home.
Within the claim she is asking for $36,720 to compensate for her husband taking over her domestic chores including cleaning, grocery shopping and massage for 15 hours a week at a rate of $34 an hour over the past 18 months.
She is also claiming $7344 for her 13-year-old son, who spends three hours a week doing chores including emptying the dishwasher, tidying up, watering flowers, walking the dog and unpacking shopping.
Mrs Laghai, who works as Woolworths accounts manager, claimed the injury also prevented her from driving as she no longer had the strength to grip a steering wheel and she could only work on a computer for a short time without pain.
In the filed claim Mrs Laghai said the pain and exhaustion caused by her injury had limited her ability to parent her two sons, aged seven and 13, and had affected her marriage.
She is claiming $60,000 for pain, suffering and loss, $20,000 in special damages, travel and medical costs, $150,000 for future economic loss and $120,000 for future damages.
Maurice Blackburn lawyer Anna Morgan said the firm was negotiating for fair compensation for the debilitating injury.
The airline's insurers are expected to file a defence shortly
Iranian-born Azadeh Laghai had just settled in her aisle seat on a flight from the Gold Coast to Melbourne on January 31 last year when a flight attendant opened a compartment above her - causing a 7kg-8kg bag to fall on her head.
The 46-year-old mother of two claimed the incident left her with ongoing neck, arm and hand pain that required medication and physiotherapy.
She claimed Virgin paid for two initial physiotherapy sessions but refused further visits, despite a neurosurgeon diagnosing her with a chronic soft tissue injury around her cervical spine.
Mrs Laghai claims she had been debilitated by her injuries and, due to her Middle-Eastern background, she felt great guilt that her husband Siamak Laghai and teenage son had been forced to take over most of the domestic duties at their home.
Within the claim she is asking for $36,720 to compensate for her husband taking over her domestic chores including cleaning, grocery shopping and massage for 15 hours a week at a rate of $34 an hour over the past 18 months.
She is also claiming $7344 for her 13-year-old son, who spends three hours a week doing chores including emptying the dishwasher, tidying up, watering flowers, walking the dog and unpacking shopping.
Mrs Laghai, who works as Woolworths accounts manager, claimed the injury also prevented her from driving as she no longer had the strength to grip a steering wheel and she could only work on a computer for a short time without pain.
In the filed claim Mrs Laghai said the pain and exhaustion caused by her injury had limited her ability to parent her two sons, aged seven and 13, and had affected her marriage.
She is claiming $60,000 for pain, suffering and loss, $20,000 in special damages, travel and medical costs, $150,000 for future economic loss and $120,000 for future damages.
Maurice Blackburn lawyer Anna Morgan said the firm was negotiating for fair compensation for the debilitating injury.
The airline's insurers are expected to file a defence shortly
makes you wonder when Abbott will drop this stupid part of his policy
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-06/former-defence-force-chief-warns-against-turning-boats-back/4114044?section=wa
Former Defence chief warns against turning boats back
by chief political correspondent Simon Cullen
Updated July 06, 2012 09:36:33
Former Defence Force chief Chris Barrie has warned against trying to force asylum seeker boats to turn back to Indonesia, arguing the policy drives people to take "very desperate measures".
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott insists the policy will be a core element in his plan to stop asylum seekers trying to make the dangerous journey to Australia.
"New orders, on day one of a Coalition Government, would be given to our naval forces in the seas to our north," Mr Abbott told Channel Ten this morning.
"They would be a border protection force, not a boat escort authority."
Mr Abbott says the policy of forcing boats back worked under the former Howard government, and it can work again.
But retired Admiral Barrie, who was in charge of the Defence Force under the Howard government, says he is not convinced the idea would be effective again.
"My expectation wouldn't be very high (that) it's going to work in many cases, and I would be very conscious that our commanding officers at sea must act in accordance with international law," Admiral Barrie has told ABC Radio National.
"The problem about the policy is it drives people to very desperate measures and I don't think that is something that we should promote."
Admiral Barrie, who was also the former chief of the Navy, says it sometimes took weeks to turn boats around because naval specialists first had to be flown to the area to make the asylum seeker boats seaworthy.
And he says in the past, some boats were set on fire so that they could not be turned around.
"What these people are really making clear.... is this is the place they want to come to - they don't want to go to any other place," he said.
"We are finding more and more I think boats where the plight of the people on board really does test your sense of compassion and humanity."
Political stalemate
The major parties remain locked in a political stalemate over the best way to stop asylum seeker boats.
In a bid to break the deadlock, the Government has asked former Defence Force Chief Angus Houston to lead an expert panel to reassess Australia's approach to people smuggling issues.
It will liaise with a cross-party reference group of MPs, but the Coalition has so far refused to nominate any representatives.
The parliamentary reference group so far includes Labor MPs Wayne Swan, Chris Bowen and Stephen Jones; Greens Senators Christine Milne and Sarah Hanson-Young; Democratic Labor Party Senator John Madigan; and Independent MP Tony Windsor.
Immigration Minister Chris Bowen says the Opposition has the choice of working towards a solution, or "carping" on the sidelines.
"We would like the whole Parliament to assist in solving this matter," Mr Bowen has told ABC Radio's AM program.
"If Mr Abbott is not willing to nominate somebody, of course we would accept self nominations from members of the Liberal Party as well."
But Mr Abbott has played down the significance of the reference group, saying there is no reason why Labor can not immediately put in place some of the former Howard Government's policies.
"Rather than sit on her hands with yet another committee, rather than bleat and bleat about it all being the Coalition's fault, the Prime Minister should do something rather than do nothing," Mr Abbott said.
The Greens are pushing the Government to increase Australia's refugee intake, arguing that would help slow the flow of boats.
Speaking from Indonesia, Senator Hanson-Young says when Australia boosted its intake from Indonesia 18 months ago, there was a "dramatic" drop in the number of people getting on asylum seeker boats.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2012-07-06/former-defence-force-chief-warns-against-turning-boats-back/4114044?section=wa
Former Defence chief warns against turning boats back
by chief political correspondent Simon Cullen
Updated July 06, 2012 09:36:33
Former Defence Force chief Chris Barrie has warned against trying to force asylum seeker boats to turn back to Indonesia, arguing the policy drives people to take "very desperate measures".
Opposition Leader Tony Abbott insists the policy will be a core element in his plan to stop asylum seekers trying to make the dangerous journey to Australia.
"New orders, on day one of a Coalition Government, would be given to our naval forces in the seas to our north," Mr Abbott told Channel Ten this morning.
"They would be a border protection force, not a boat escort authority."
Mr Abbott says the policy of forcing boats back worked under the former Howard government, and it can work again.
But retired Admiral Barrie, who was in charge of the Defence Force under the Howard government, says he is not convinced the idea would be effective again.
"My expectation wouldn't be very high (that) it's going to work in many cases, and I would be very conscious that our commanding officers at sea must act in accordance with international law," Admiral Barrie has told ABC Radio National.
"The problem about the policy is it drives people to very desperate measures and I don't think that is something that we should promote."
Admiral Barrie, who was also the former chief of the Navy, says it sometimes took weeks to turn boats around because naval specialists first had to be flown to the area to make the asylum seeker boats seaworthy.
And he says in the past, some boats were set on fire so that they could not be turned around.
"What these people are really making clear.... is this is the place they want to come to - they don't want to go to any other place," he said.
"We are finding more and more I think boats where the plight of the people on board really does test your sense of compassion and humanity."
Political stalemate
The major parties remain locked in a political stalemate over the best way to stop asylum seeker boats.
In a bid to break the deadlock, the Government has asked former Defence Force Chief Angus Houston to lead an expert panel to reassess Australia's approach to people smuggling issues.
It will liaise with a cross-party reference group of MPs, but the Coalition has so far refused to nominate any representatives.
The parliamentary reference group so far includes Labor MPs Wayne Swan, Chris Bowen and Stephen Jones; Greens Senators Christine Milne and Sarah Hanson-Young; Democratic Labor Party Senator John Madigan; and Independent MP Tony Windsor.
Immigration Minister Chris Bowen says the Opposition has the choice of working towards a solution, or "carping" on the sidelines.
"We would like the whole Parliament to assist in solving this matter," Mr Bowen has told ABC Radio's AM program.
"If Mr Abbott is not willing to nominate somebody, of course we would accept self nominations from members of the Liberal Party as well."
But Mr Abbott has played down the significance of the reference group, saying there is no reason why Labor can not immediately put in place some of the former Howard Government's policies.
"Rather than sit on her hands with yet another committee, rather than bleat and bleat about it all being the Coalition's fault, the Prime Minister should do something rather than do nothing," Mr Abbott said.
The Greens are pushing the Government to increase Australia's refugee intake, arguing that would help slow the flow of boats.
Speaking from Indonesia, Senator Hanson-Young says when Australia boosted its intake from Indonesia 18 months ago, there was a "dramatic" drop in the number of people getting on asylum seeker boats.
And heres what boils Australians, hopefully AFL and womble get the bigger picture.
paragraph from "jakarta wants smugglers" from Wednesdays heraldsun.
it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.
it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.
paragraph from "jakarta wants smugglers" from Wednesdays heraldsun.
it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.
it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.
If you were someone running from your Country for survival..without any papers..your I.D, is just say so... would be wrecking the detention centre your staying at... Wait till these types hit the the streets ffs.
MYTH 8
ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE ‘CASHED UP’
AND CHOOSE TO COME HERE
You can be wealthy and still be tortured. Economic status does not necessarily prevent you from needing to seek asylum. In some countries it might be more likely for authorities to target the well educated, and therefore the wealthy, because they are the greatest threat to an authoritarian regime.
Furthermore, an expensive boat or plane trip is not necessarily an indication of wealth. Most asylum seekers will sell everything they own, and/or turn to family or friends for help, to pay for the trip and still not have enough money. Many asylum seekers will not be able to afford to bring the whole family and so send only one member with the responsibility of finding an avenue of protection for the entire family. Alternatively, families
at risk of persecution with only enough money to save one life may decide to make the excruciating decision to send their child away in the hope that they will make it to safety.
Imagine being a parent whose only option to save your child was to send them on a perilous journey knowing you might never see them again. Or imagine being that child, separated from your parents and siblings, constantly tormented because you’re unsure if they are safe or even alive. Far from being ‘cashed up’, asylum seekers have made great sacrifices and left everything dear to them behind.
As for asylum seekers ‘choosing’ Australia, it is important to remember that, in the first instance, asylum seekers are running from and not to. No one chooses to be an asylum seeker. Furthermore, many of the countries in our region are not signatories to the Refugee Convention, including Indonesia and Malaysia, where most boat arrivals come from. Whilst countries that are signatories do not necessarily provide effective protection either. For example, Cambodia was recently
implicated in the forcible deportation of asylum seekers to China, which has not implemented the Refugee Convention into its national law (a gross contravention of international refugee law).33 More importantly, Australia and New Zealand are by far the only countries in the region with the resources to provide effective protection (see table above). Would it be fair for asylum seekers to ‘choose’ to go to countries like Timor-Leste (East Timor) or Papua New Guinea which face severe developmental issues of their own?
ASYLUM SEEKERS ARE ‘CASHED UP’
AND CHOOSE TO COME HERE
You can be wealthy and still be tortured. Economic status does not necessarily prevent you from needing to seek asylum. In some countries it might be more likely for authorities to target the well educated, and therefore the wealthy, because they are the greatest threat to an authoritarian regime.
Furthermore, an expensive boat or plane trip is not necessarily an indication of wealth. Most asylum seekers will sell everything they own, and/or turn to family or friends for help, to pay for the trip and still not have enough money. Many asylum seekers will not be able to afford to bring the whole family and so send only one member with the responsibility of finding an avenue of protection for the entire family. Alternatively, families
at risk of persecution with only enough money to save one life may decide to make the excruciating decision to send their child away in the hope that they will make it to safety.
Imagine being a parent whose only option to save your child was to send them on a perilous journey knowing you might never see them again. Or imagine being that child, separated from your parents and siblings, constantly tormented because you’re unsure if they are safe or even alive. Far from being ‘cashed up’, asylum seekers have made great sacrifices and left everything dear to them behind.
As for asylum seekers ‘choosing’ Australia, it is important to remember that, in the first instance, asylum seekers are running from and not to. No one chooses to be an asylum seeker. Furthermore, many of the countries in our region are not signatories to the Refugee Convention, including Indonesia and Malaysia, where most boat arrivals come from. Whilst countries that are signatories do not necessarily provide effective protection either. For example, Cambodia was recently
implicated in the forcible deportation of asylum seekers to China, which has not implemented the Refugee Convention into its national law (a gross contravention of international refugee law).33 More importantly, Australia and New Zealand are by far the only countries in the region with the resources to provide effective protection (see table above). Would it be fair for asylum seekers to ‘choose’ to go to countries like Timor-Leste (East Timor) or Papua New Guinea which face severe developmental issues of their own?
They're are stepping of the dock and onto a our Navy boat AFL Wake Up... Indonesia is a Joke ..They are laughing at us straight up.
MYTH 3
ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING
TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
The vast majority of asylum seekers do not arrive with- out documentation in an attempt to cheat the system. Not only are most boat arrivals found to be genuine— typically between 85 and 90%—but arriving without documentation only delays legal-status resolution, prolonging their stay in detention. So for a genuine asylum seeker, of which the majority of boat arrivals are, there is no advantage to arrive without documentation.
The Refugee Convention and the Australian Government recognise that asylum seekers are not to be punished for their illegal entry or irregular travel because they have good cause (see myth 1). This is because asylum seekers will often have to flee quickly and are unable to obtain the necessary documentation before leaving; especially
if that requires approaching the very government responsible for their persecution. At other times, asylum seekers will destroy documentation because they fear being sent back home or, for this reason, are instructed to do so by people smugglers.
It’s often argued that boat arrivals who leave from Indonesia intentionally deceive authorities by destroying their documentation because, having originally flown into the country, it’s assumed they must have had a passport and visa to board the flight. However, many asylum seekers obtain false documentation in order to gain entry into Indonesia by plane and, unable to seek adequate protection there, later escape to Australia by boat.
Furthermore, many asylum seekers initially land in Malaysia where people from Muslim countries are not required to obtain a visa. They then make their way to Indonesia before boarding a boat for Australia. Non- Muslims, such as asylum seekers from Sri Lanka, are forced to bribe Malaysian immigration officials in order to gain entry into the country and—if they can escape detection and incarceration by authorities—will then attempt to make the dangerous journey to Australia
by boat via Indonesia.12
ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING
TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
The vast majority of asylum seekers do not arrive with- out documentation in an attempt to cheat the system. Not only are most boat arrivals found to be genuine— typically between 85 and 90%—but arriving without documentation only delays legal-status resolution, prolonging their stay in detention. So for a genuine asylum seeker, of which the majority of boat arrivals are, there is no advantage to arrive without documentation.
The Refugee Convention and the Australian Government recognise that asylum seekers are not to be punished for their illegal entry or irregular travel because they have good cause (see myth 1). This is because asylum seekers will often have to flee quickly and are unable to obtain the necessary documentation before leaving; especially
if that requires approaching the very government responsible for their persecution. At other times, asylum seekers will destroy documentation because they fear being sent back home or, for this reason, are instructed to do so by people smugglers.
It’s often argued that boat arrivals who leave from Indonesia intentionally deceive authorities by destroying their documentation because, having originally flown into the country, it’s assumed they must have had a passport and visa to board the flight. However, many asylum seekers obtain false documentation in order to gain entry into Indonesia by plane and, unable to seek adequate protection there, later escape to Australia by boat.
Furthermore, many asylum seekers initially land in Malaysia where people from Muslim countries are not required to obtain a visa. They then make their way to Indonesia before boarding a boat for Australia. Non- Muslims, such as asylum seekers from Sri Lanka, are forced to bribe Malaysian immigration officials in order to gain entry into the country and—if they can escape detection and incarceration by authorities—will then attempt to make the dangerous journey to Australia
by boat via Indonesia.12
ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING
TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
Another post of total delusion by AFL.
If he cared to tell the truth for once he would admit to what the people who check them into " Hotel Christmas ", practically all of them have no documents.
You would'nt face the truth if it was beating you over the head AFL.Stop posting your unadulterated rubbish on here.
If he cared to tell the truth for once he would admit to what the people who check them into " Hotel Christmas ", practically all of them have no documents.
You would'nt face the truth if it was beating you over the head AFL.Stop posting your unadulterated rubbish on here.
Indo president bang bang yudehono laughed in the face of juliar gilliard when she asked him to receive turned back boats.
These illegal refugees pay criminals to fly them to indo where they get on a bot and launch a distress call 20 miles off the indo coast.
Only Australia is dumb enough to accept this kind of rort.Indonesia won't and neither will any other country.
Unfortunatley people like AFl have a vote.Otherwise we could rid ourselves of this scourge.
These illegal refugees pay criminals to fly them to indo where they get on a bot and launch a distress call 20 miles off the indo coast.
Only Australia is dumb enough to accept this kind of rort.Indonesia won't and neither will any other country.
Unfortunatley people like AFl have a vote.Otherwise we could rid ourselves of this scourge.
Australia is no longer the lucky country- under gilliard it has become the "sucker" country.
They're are Shiiate's ..that's why the Suni Indonesian s don't won't them there.
typical.
****'s won't accept suni.Thats ok apparently.
we are christian.If we don't accept em - we are racists.
fk me.
are we really dumb enuff to accept this?
****'s won't accept suni.Thats ok apparently.
we are christian.If we don't accept em - we are racists.
fk me.
are we really dumb enuff to accept this?
MYTH 6
ASYLUM SEEKERS MUST ARRIVE THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS,
THE ‘FRONT DOOR’, AND BE ACCEPTED
IN AN ORDERLY FASHION
Those seeking asylum onshore in Australia are applying via the ‘front door’. By definition, you cannot be a refugee unless you are outside of your home country.27 That means all asylum seekers must cross
an international border to seek asylum. Applying for asylum after entering another country—rather than lining up in a ‘queue’ to be resettled elsewhere—is the standard way to seek asylum and is how the vast majority of the world’s asylum seekers find protection. This is also the only path protected in international law.
Australia is obligated by its commitments to the Refugee Convention to provide protection to those who arrive on its shores or at its airports. It is not obligated
to resettle those waiting in overseas camps—that is a voluntary program undertaken by Australia because
it recognises that it receives so few asylum seekers onshore and has a responsibility to share more of the international burden.
Irregular people movements are—as the term suggests inherently disorderly. Refugees must often flee their homes abruptly or else suffer persecution. They have to go somewhere, and fast. Consequently, the vast majority of asylum seekers, some 75–95%, cross a border into a neighbouring country and stay there.28
Because most asylum seekers originate from the developing world, crossing a border means entering into another developing country. Consequently, those with the least capacity to assist refugees have the burden of protecting the vast majority of them.
Most developing countries do not have the luxury of an orderly migration program for refugees. They must accept the millions of refugees spontaneously crossing their borders without prior authorisation, or they would be placing those asylum seekers at risk of imminent persecution or death. If all the nations of the world were to heed the call of those who insist that refugees fleeing persecution must wait in a queue for authorisation before entering, there would be mass genocide.
As most nations are unable to force refugees to wait in overseas camps, it would be hypocritical for Australia to unilaterally end its practice of providing protection to onshore arrivals. Such a policy would not create equitable outcomes for all refugees but succeed only in transferring the costs of reception and processing back to the developing world, which is where our rejected asylum seekers will ultimately be made to wait.
This would also force asylum seekers to wait for years in intolerable conditions without basic human rights. Ultimately, ‘orderly migration program’ is code for shifting Australia’s responsibilities to developing countries which already take the greatest burden for this international problem. Australia needs to accept that, as long as there is war, poverty and political unrest, there will be irregular migration flows. Whereas, as long as asylum seekers continue to be processed by authorities upon arrival where they undergo identity, health and security checks, there is little to be concerned about.
ASYLUM SEEKERS MUST ARRIVE THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS,
THE ‘FRONT DOOR’, AND BE ACCEPTED
IN AN ORDERLY FASHION
Those seeking asylum onshore in Australia are applying via the ‘front door’. By definition, you cannot be a refugee unless you are outside of your home country.27 That means all asylum seekers must cross
an international border to seek asylum. Applying for asylum after entering another country—rather than lining up in a ‘queue’ to be resettled elsewhere—is the standard way to seek asylum and is how the vast majority of the world’s asylum seekers find protection. This is also the only path protected in international law.
Australia is obligated by its commitments to the Refugee Convention to provide protection to those who arrive on its shores or at its airports. It is not obligated
to resettle those waiting in overseas camps—that is a voluntary program undertaken by Australia because
it recognises that it receives so few asylum seekers onshore and has a responsibility to share more of the international burden.
Irregular people movements are—as the term suggests inherently disorderly. Refugees must often flee their homes abruptly or else suffer persecution. They have to go somewhere, and fast. Consequently, the vast majority of asylum seekers, some 75–95%, cross a border into a neighbouring country and stay there.28
Because most asylum seekers originate from the developing world, crossing a border means entering into another developing country. Consequently, those with the least capacity to assist refugees have the burden of protecting the vast majority of them.
Most developing countries do not have the luxury of an orderly migration program for refugees. They must accept the millions of refugees spontaneously crossing their borders without prior authorisation, or they would be placing those asylum seekers at risk of imminent persecution or death. If all the nations of the world were to heed the call of those who insist that refugees fleeing persecution must wait in a queue for authorisation before entering, there would be mass genocide.
As most nations are unable to force refugees to wait in overseas camps, it would be hypocritical for Australia to unilaterally end its practice of providing protection to onshore arrivals. Such a policy would not create equitable outcomes for all refugees but succeed only in transferring the costs of reception and processing back to the developing world, which is where our rejected asylum seekers will ultimately be made to wait.
This would also force asylum seekers to wait for years in intolerable conditions without basic human rights. Ultimately, ‘orderly migration program’ is code for shifting Australia’s responsibilities to developing countries which already take the greatest burden for this international problem. Australia needs to accept that, as long as there is war, poverty and political unrest, there will be irregular migration flows. Whereas, as long as asylum seekers continue to be processed by authorities upon arrival where they undergo identity, health and security checks, there is little to be concerned about.
[b]FACT 1, FACT 2, FACT 3, FACT 4, FACT 5.................[/b]
it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.
it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.
YOU NEED $10,000 USD TO GET ON A JUNK SHIP BOUND FOR AUSTRALIA.
FACT. THE AVERAGE INCOME EARNER IS ON APPROX $5 A WEEK USD
it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.
it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.
YOU NEED $10,000 USD TO GET ON A JUNK SHIP BOUND FOR AUSTRALIA.
FACT. THE AVERAGE INCOME EARNER IS ON APPROX $5 A WEEK USD
thats the truth!
AFl supports the criminal activity that brings these well heeled pretenders to our shores to exploit our giving nature.
Anyne supporting the boats is traitorous pig swill
AFl supports the criminal activity that brings these well heeled pretenders to our shores to exploit our giving nature.
Anyne supporting the boats is traitorous pig swill
AFL...instead of sticking up for the boat people who are queue jumpers, how about defending the poor souls who are legally applying through the proper channels to become australian migrants.
or were you one of those filthy rich who can afford to buy a seat on a junk boat and wants to defend the rich?
or were you one of those filthy rich who can afford to buy a seat on a junk boat and wants to defend the rich?
100% megsy! 100%!
Its an insult to genuine refugess who we could offer a better life to and who would appreciate the chance rather than the exploiters we are being burdened with.
But you will never get AFL to admit the truth.He acts for for gilliard.
Its an insult to genuine refugess who we could offer a better life to and who would appreciate the chance rather than the exploiters we are being burdened with.
But you will never get AFL to admit the truth.He acts for for gilliard.
MYTH 6
ASYLUM SEEKERS MUST ARRIVE THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS,
THE ‘FRONT DOOR’, AND BE ACCEPTED IN AN ORDERLY FASHION
Those seeking asylum onshore in Australia are applying via the ‘front door’. By definition, you cannot be a refugee unless you are outside of your home country. That means all asylum seekers must cross
an international border to seek asylum. Applying for asylum after entering another country—rather than lining up in a ‘queue’ to be resettled elsewhere—is the standard way to seek asylum and is how the vast majority of the world’s asylum seekers find protection. This is also the only path protected in international law.
Australia is obligated by its commitments to the Refugee Convention to provide protection to those who arrive on its shores or at its airports. It is not obligated to resettle those waiting in overseas camps — that is a voluntary program undertaken by Australia because it recognises that it receives so few asylum seekers onshore and has a responsibility to share more of the international burden.
Irregular people movements are—as the term suggests —inherently disorderly. Refugees must often flee their homes abruptly or else suffer persecution. They have to go somewhere, and fast. Consequently, the vast majority of asylum seekers, some 75–95%, cross a border into a neighbouring country and stay there.
Because most asylum seekers originate from the developing world, crossing a border means entering into another developing country. Consequently, those with the least capacity to assist refugees have the burden of protecting the vast majority of them.
Most developing countries do not have the luxury of an orderly migration program for refugees. They must accept the millions of refugees spontaneously crossing their borders without prior authorisation, or they would be placing those asylum seekers at risk of imminent persecution or death.
If all the nations of the world were to heed the call of those who insist that refugees fleeing persecution must wait in a queue for authorisation before entering, there would be mass genocide.
As most nations are unable to force refugees to wait in overseas camps, it would be hypocritical for Australia to unilaterally end its practice of providing protection to onshore arrivals.
Such a policy would not create equitable outcomes for all refugees but succeed only in transferring the costs of reception and processing back to the developing world, which is where our rejected asylum seekers will ultimately be made to wait. This would also force asylum seekers to wait for years in intolerable conditions without basic human rights.
Ultimately, ‘orderly migration program’ is code for shifting Australia’s responsibilities to developing
countries which already take the greatest burden for this international problem.
Australia needs to accept that, as long as there is war, poverty and political unrest, there will be irregular migration flows. Whereas, as long as asylum seekers continue to be processed by authorities upon arrival where they undergo identity, health and security checks, there is little to be concerned about.
ASYLUM SEEKERS MUST ARRIVE THROUGH THE PROPER CHANNELS,
THE ‘FRONT DOOR’, AND BE ACCEPTED IN AN ORDERLY FASHION
Those seeking asylum onshore in Australia are applying via the ‘front door’. By definition, you cannot be a refugee unless you are outside of your home country. That means all asylum seekers must cross
an international border to seek asylum. Applying for asylum after entering another country—rather than lining up in a ‘queue’ to be resettled elsewhere—is the standard way to seek asylum and is how the vast majority of the world’s asylum seekers find protection. This is also the only path protected in international law.
Australia is obligated by its commitments to the Refugee Convention to provide protection to those who arrive on its shores or at its airports. It is not obligated to resettle those waiting in overseas camps — that is a voluntary program undertaken by Australia because it recognises that it receives so few asylum seekers onshore and has a responsibility to share more of the international burden.
Irregular people movements are—as the term suggests —inherently disorderly. Refugees must often flee their homes abruptly or else suffer persecution. They have to go somewhere, and fast. Consequently, the vast majority of asylum seekers, some 75–95%, cross a border into a neighbouring country and stay there.
Because most asylum seekers originate from the developing world, crossing a border means entering into another developing country. Consequently, those with the least capacity to assist refugees have the burden of protecting the vast majority of them.
Most developing countries do not have the luxury of an orderly migration program for refugees. They must accept the millions of refugees spontaneously crossing their borders without prior authorisation, or they would be placing those asylum seekers at risk of imminent persecution or death.
If all the nations of the world were to heed the call of those who insist that refugees fleeing persecution must wait in a queue for authorisation before entering, there would be mass genocide.
As most nations are unable to force refugees to wait in overseas camps, it would be hypocritical for Australia to unilaterally end its practice of providing protection to onshore arrivals.
Such a policy would not create equitable outcomes for all refugees but succeed only in transferring the costs of reception and processing back to the developing world, which is where our rejected asylum seekers will ultimately be made to wait. This would also force asylum seekers to wait for years in intolerable conditions without basic human rights.
Ultimately, ‘orderly migration program’ is code for shifting Australia’s responsibilities to developing
countries which already take the greatest burden for this international problem.
Australia needs to accept that, as long as there is war, poverty and political unrest, there will be irregular migration flows. Whereas, as long as asylum seekers continue to be processed by authorities upon arrival where they undergo identity, health and security checks, there is little to be concerned about.
FACT 1, FACT 2, FACT 3, FACT 4, FACT 5.................
it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.
it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.
YOU NEED $10,000 USD TO GET ON A JUNK SHIP BOUND FOR AUSTRALIA.
FACT. THE AVERAGE INCOME EARNER IS ON APPROX $5 A WEEK USD
it comes as immigration expert says most asylum seekers coming by boat to Australia are not the most needy or desrving refugees.
it was obvious that most boat arrivals were not poverty-stricken people fleeing persecution "You see these very well nourished, well- dressed people". Its becoming almost normalised.
YOU NEED $10,000 USD TO GET ON A JUNK SHIP BOUND FOR AUSTRALIA.
FACT. THE AVERAGE INCOME EARNER IS ON APPROX $5 A WEEK USD
ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING
TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
MYTH 3
ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
The vast majority of asylum seekers do not arrive with- out documentation in an attempt to cheat the system. Not only are most boat arrivals found to be genuine— typically between 85 and 90%—but arriving without documentation only delays legal-status resolution, prolonging their stay in detention. So for a genuine asylum seeker, of which the majority of boat arrivals are, there is no advantage to arrive without documentation.
The Refugee Convention and the Australian Government recognise that asylum seekers are not to be punished for their illegal entry or irregular travel because they have good cause (see myth 1). This is because asylum seekers will often have to flee quickly and are unable to obtain the necessary documentation before leaving; especially if that requires approaching the very government responsible for their persecution. At other times, asylum seekers will destroy documentation because they fear being sent back home or, for this reason, are instructed to do so by people smugglers.
It’s often argued that boat arrivals who leave from Indonesia intentionally deceive authorities by destroying their documentation because, having originally flown into the country, it’s assumed they must have had a passport and visa to board the flight.
However, many asylum seekers obtain false documentation in order to gain entry into Indonesia by plane and, unable to seek adequate protection there, later escape to Australia by boat. Furthermore, many asylum seekers initially land in Malaysia where people from Muslim countries are not required to obtain a visa. They then make their way to Indonesia before boarding a boat for Australia. Non- Muslims, such as asylum seekers from Sri Lanka, are forced to bribe Malaysian immigration officials in order to gain entry into the country and—if they can escape detection and incarceration by authorities—will then attempt to make the dangerous journey to Australia
by boat via Indonesia.
ASYLUM SEEKERS DESTROY THEIR DOCUMENTATION; THEY ARE TRYING TO CHEAT THE SYSTEM
The vast majority of asylum seekers do not arrive with- out documentation in an attempt to cheat the system. Not only are most boat arrivals found to be genuine— typically between 85 and 90%—but arriving without documentation only delays legal-status resolution, prolonging their stay in detention. So for a genuine asylum seeker, of which the majority of boat arrivals are, there is no advantage to arrive without documentation.
The Refugee Convention and the Australian Government recognise that asylum seekers are not to be punished for their illegal entry or irregular travel because they have good cause (see myth 1). This is because asylum seekers will often have to flee quickly and are unable to obtain the necessary documentation before leaving; especially if that requires approaching the very government responsible for their persecution. At other times, asylum seekers will destroy documentation because they fear being sent back home or, for this reason, are instructed to do so by people smugglers.
It’s often argued that boat arrivals who leave from Indonesia intentionally deceive authorities by destroying their documentation because, having originally flown into the country, it’s assumed they must have had a passport and visa to board the flight.
However, many asylum seekers obtain false documentation in order to gain entry into Indonesia by plane and, unable to seek adequate protection there, later escape to Australia by boat. Furthermore, many asylum seekers initially land in Malaysia where people from Muslim countries are not required to obtain a visa. They then make their way to Indonesia before boarding a boat for Australia. Non- Muslims, such as asylum seekers from Sri Lanka, are forced to bribe Malaysian immigration officials in order to gain entry into the country and—if they can escape detection and incarceration by authorities—will then attempt to make the dangerous journey to Australia
by boat via Indonesia.
77% of Australians, um, agree with John Howard's actions on the Tampa
What happened to the others?
The thing is, to use military force against refugees, isn't that a little overkill?
A spokesman for the line that owns the ship says that Australian SAS troops are in danger of breaking the laws of piracy.
Undoubtedly this is the most popular decision, as far as the Australian public are concerned the Government's made during it's reign
The captain, before entering Australian waters, he had sent out a distress signal
Clearly our solution was, um, well it wasn't only farcical it was, um, it was immoral
I wish that this problem were not ours
(Cheers) Well I'm left sitting here staring into a beer
shaking my head at the same old loathing and fear
Stranger in my own land, can't understand
How the very word Australian has just been damned
I ****ing hate myself, take 'Aussie' from my name
Erase this endless shame, forever casting blame
If you don't act the same will I destroy you?
Everyone looks the same beaten, black and blue
So I've had enough of these red-neck prciks
When fact is the only real **** that sticks
Watch as I tear the very skin from my face
So no-one'll see my race, my deep disgrace
You're not even from here in the first place
And those that are you wanna further debase
Nup, no more, never again whether by fist or pen
I will defend, cos I'm at a loose end
The shattered remnants of Aussie dignity
I'm a skip, whitey, round-eye surprise me
By using your shrivelled brain to please explain
How the clever country just went down the drain
We rode the sheep's back now the sheep ride you
If this is how its gonna be don't call me 'true blue'
I denounce my ancestors, wounds still fester
If you say 'it aint so' I suggest ya' wake up
Chorus
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Talk-back squawking hacks won't relax
Until Jonesy, Zemanek and Laws are all axed
77 percent of Aussies are racist
And if you're here, I'll say it your faces
Rich red-neck prciks still hold all the aces
So I'll buy ya a beer, with an arsenic chaser
Better off dead? Is that what I've said?
Tempting to take for all the blood you've shed
No doubt you're as bad as your dads and ya mums
Mainstream media making me so fcuking glum
Anglo reality, intellectual cavities
Channel 9 fostering prejudiced mentalities
I won't be a casualty, just mention casually
That I can't stand for you sh*t-eating bullies
Preying on peeps without a mainstream voice
Most of you stay silent but I've got no choice
Chorus
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no avail
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no avail
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no fcukin' avail
But you're a stranger yourself now that's the sting in the tail
Captain Cook was the very first queue jumper
It was immigrant labour that made Australia plumper
Enough is enough, whiteys go pack your stuff
Don't wanna live in England? That's fcuking tough
I'm sick and tired of this red-neck wonderland
Most've you stay silent and I can't understand
I just can't understand (understand)
Chorus
What happened to the others?
The thing is, to use military force against refugees, isn't that a little overkill?
A spokesman for the line that owns the ship says that Australian SAS troops are in danger of breaking the laws of piracy.
Undoubtedly this is the most popular decision, as far as the Australian public are concerned the Government's made during it's reign
The captain, before entering Australian waters, he had sent out a distress signal
Clearly our solution was, um, well it wasn't only farcical it was, um, it was immoral
I wish that this problem were not ours
(Cheers) Well I'm left sitting here staring into a beer
shaking my head at the same old loathing and fear
Stranger in my own land, can't understand
How the very word Australian has just been damned
I ****ing hate myself, take 'Aussie' from my name
Erase this endless shame, forever casting blame
If you don't act the same will I destroy you?
Everyone looks the same beaten, black and blue
So I've had enough of these red-neck prciks
When fact is the only real **** that sticks
Watch as I tear the very skin from my face
So no-one'll see my race, my deep disgrace
You're not even from here in the first place
And those that are you wanna further debase
Nup, no more, never again whether by fist or pen
I will defend, cos I'm at a loose end
The shattered remnants of Aussie dignity
I'm a skip, whitey, round-eye surprise me
By using your shrivelled brain to please explain
How the clever country just went down the drain
We rode the sheep's back now the sheep ride you
If this is how its gonna be don't call me 'true blue'
I denounce my ancestors, wounds still fester
If you say 'it aint so' I suggest ya' wake up
Chorus
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Wake up - this country needs a fcuking shake up
Wake up - these ****s need a shake up
Talk-back squawking hacks won't relax
Until Jonesy, Zemanek and Laws are all axed
77 percent of Aussies are racist
And if you're here, I'll say it your faces
Rich red-neck prciks still hold all the aces
So I'll buy ya a beer, with an arsenic chaser
Better off dead? Is that what I've said?
Tempting to take for all the blood you've shed
No doubt you're as bad as your dads and ya mums
Mainstream media making me so fcuking glum
Anglo reality, intellectual cavities
Channel 9 fostering prejudiced mentalities
I won't be a casualty, just mention casually
That I can't stand for you sh*t-eating bullies
Preying on peeps without a mainstream voice
Most of you stay silent but I've got no choice
Chorus
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no avail
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no avail
Well I've yelled my lungs out but to no fcukin' avail
But you're a stranger yourself now that's the sting in the tail
Captain Cook was the very first queue jumper
It was immigrant labour that made Australia plumper
Enough is enough, whiteys go pack your stuff
Don't wanna live in England? That's fcuking tough
I'm sick and tired of this red-neck wonderland
Most've you stay silent and I can't understand
I just can't understand (understand)
Chorus
interestingly 70% of australians want the boats turned back.But hey fk that.
I'm julia gilliard and the whole country can go fk itself while I play politics.
I'm julia gilliard and the whole country can go fk itself while I play politics.
and these sort of afghans are getting on the boats alone or with a son. did our forefathers fight wars for this to happen? watch the video, i seen the full length of it before it was removed.and it made the hairs on my neck stand.
the 22 yr old female acused of adultery and killed an hour later whilst 100's of men watched on or video taped it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uYs9zXsFT8&feature=related
then i read this in todays herald sun.
VICTORIA'S largest mosque has been forced into an embarrassing back-down after women were told they must "fulfil the rights" of their husbands and share him with other women.
In a move that has outraged local Muslim women, at least one Preston Mosque committee member authorised a post on its official Facebook page instructing women that polygamy was a better alternative to divorce and husbands were "someone you share".
"It is very important for a wife to fulfil the rights of her husband. Why? Because Allah commanded her to, after marriage Jannah is through her husband, and also the husband is your partner. A partner is someone you share with not someone who does things for you," said the post.
"If a man is saying to his wife I will marry another woman, this is far better than saying you are divorced every time he is upset.
the 22 yr old female acused of adultery and killed an hour later whilst 100's of men watched on or video taped it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uYs9zXsFT8&feature=related
then i read this in todays herald sun.
VICTORIA'S largest mosque has been forced into an embarrassing back-down after women were told they must "fulfil the rights" of their husbands and share him with other women.
In a move that has outraged local Muslim women, at least one Preston Mosque committee member authorised a post on its official Facebook page instructing women that polygamy was a better alternative to divorce and husbands were "someone you share".
"It is very important for a wife to fulfil the rights of her husband. Why? Because Allah commanded her to, after marriage Jannah is through her husband, and also the husband is your partner. A partner is someone you share with not someone who does things for you," said the post.
"If a man is saying to his wife I will marry another woman, this is far better than saying you are divorced every time he is upset.
Hard to believe they are the same species as we are.
I'm sure if the above was Labor policy AFL would be all in favour of it ffs.
I'm sure if the above was Labor policy AFL would be all in favour of it ffs.
Waste of time turning the boasts back, they should do what they used to do and use them as target practice, they are an invading army and we have the right to defend our shores as soon as they enter our water.
One post by a single person who was on a committee.
You failed to post the condemnation that other Muslims across the broad range of representatives of the Muslim faith have come out and denounced his views as totally unrepresentative and factually incorrect.
That video was shocking and carried out by the Taliban.
Equally as shocking as the video released by Wikileaks of the Americans who flew above a group of 7 or 8 unarmed Irak's as if they were playing Video Games in a helicopter gunship and shot them dead.
Yet we let Americans into this country.
You failed to post the condemnation that other Muslims across the broad range of representatives of the Muslim faith have come out and denounced his views as totally unrepresentative and factually incorrect.
That video was shocking and carried out by the Taliban.
Equally as shocking as the video released by Wikileaks of the Americans who flew above a group of 7 or 8 unarmed Irak's as if they were playing Video Games in a helicopter gunship and shot them dead.
Yet we let Americans into this country.
and the LTTE, Tamil tiger rebels controlled most of the smuggling of Tamil people to Australia . It had largely benefited from this. The prices charged by LTTE was extremely higher than the normal cost to travel. In addition, money had to be paid to obtain "exit visas" to leave LTTE controlled areas.
they are famous for destroying their passports and other doceumentation being suspect as tamil tiger rebels in many cases. these rebels are responsible for Ethnic cleansing of muslims, war crimes and the ally in arms supply was north korea.
and these people are getting into this country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
they are famous for destroying their passports and other doceumentation being suspect as tamil tiger rebels in many cases. these rebels are responsible for Ethnic cleansing of muslims, war crimes and the ally in arms supply was north korea.
and these people are getting into this country !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I've just read through all 300 posts in one sitting and I've just one thing to say. I know it requires the patience of a saint but thank christ we live in a country where we get an opportunity to pass judgement on a govt that ignores the will of the majority (and the bleeding obvious). AFL and his ilk we really have something to bleat about once the adults are back in charge!
Adult's....The Liberal Party and Nony Abbott?
Aren't they the Leader and the party that have never accepted the result of the last election?
And have acted like spoilt little children since .......on his round Australia Mystery Tour saying NO to everything. NO, NO , NO.....Pick Me, Pick ME.....
Aren't they the Leader and the party that have never accepted the result of the last election?
And have acted like spoilt little children since .......on his round Australia Mystery Tour saying NO to everything. NO, NO , NO.....Pick Me, Pick ME.....
Tony Abbott.....who wasn't ADULT/MAN enough to front the President of Indonesia with his plan to turn the boats back....despite them not wanting this.
Mr Tough Man...ex boxer....didn't have the guts to do this.
Mr Tough Man...ex boxer....didn't have the guts to do this.
Refugee admits people-smuggling push
Date July 27, 2012 - 12:20PM
Andrea Petrie
An Iraqi refugee has pleaded guilty to involvement in an international people-smuggling syndicate aimed at helping multiple people enter Australia illegally.
Ali Haidari, 37, formerly of Thornbury, today pleaded guilty in the Victorian County Court to several breaches of the Commonwealth Migration Act 1958.
Chief Judge Michael Rozenes heard that in Indonesia between 17 and 26 November 2009, Haidari took part in helping an asylum seeker to enter Australia illegally.
He also pleaded guilty to one count of facilitating the proposed entry of a group of six non-citizens during the month of March 2010, and in doing so, was "reckless as to whether the said six people had, or have, a lawful right to come to Australia".
In addition, he pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated people-smuggling between 14 September and 5 October 2011, and also admitted that on or about 6 July last year, he imported a marketable quantity of a border-controlled drug, methamphetamine.
At the time of his arrest police estimated the drugs to be valued at $750,000.
The offences carry a maximum penalty of 25 years' jail.
Haidari's involvement in the people-smuggling ring was exposed as part of Operation Rasbora, which Australian Federal Police said at the time of his arrest had been operating for 10 months.
Investigators said those involved were allegedly charging between $4500 and $10,000 for asylum seekers to enter the country.
The scheme is understood to have come undone after undercover operatives struck a deal with Haidari to smuggle a fictitious family of six to Australia.
Following his arrest, it was revealed that Haidari arrived in Australia on an unauthorised vessel in 2002, settled in Melbourne and got Australian citizenship in 2007.
Judge Rozenes heard today that the defence disputed several aspects of the prosecution summary, therefore more time was needed to resolve the issues before Haidari's plea went ahead.
He remanded Haidari in custody and adjourned the matter for a plea hearing on August 14.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/refugee-admits-peoplesmuggling-push-20120727-22xyu.html
Date July 27, 2012 - 12:20PM
Andrea Petrie
An Iraqi refugee has pleaded guilty to involvement in an international people-smuggling syndicate aimed at helping multiple people enter Australia illegally.
Ali Haidari, 37, formerly of Thornbury, today pleaded guilty in the Victorian County Court to several breaches of the Commonwealth Migration Act 1958.
Chief Judge Michael Rozenes heard that in Indonesia between 17 and 26 November 2009, Haidari took part in helping an asylum seeker to enter Australia illegally.
He also pleaded guilty to one count of facilitating the proposed entry of a group of six non-citizens during the month of March 2010, and in doing so, was "reckless as to whether the said six people had, or have, a lawful right to come to Australia".
In addition, he pleaded guilty to one count of aggravated people-smuggling between 14 September and 5 October 2011, and also admitted that on or about 6 July last year, he imported a marketable quantity of a border-controlled drug, methamphetamine.
At the time of his arrest police estimated the drugs to be valued at $750,000.
The offences carry a maximum penalty of 25 years' jail.
Haidari's involvement in the people-smuggling ring was exposed as part of Operation Rasbora, which Australian Federal Police said at the time of his arrest had been operating for 10 months.
Investigators said those involved were allegedly charging between $4500 and $10,000 for asylum seekers to enter the country.
The scheme is understood to have come undone after undercover operatives struck a deal with Haidari to smuggle a fictitious family of six to Australia.
Following his arrest, it was revealed that Haidari arrived in Australia on an unauthorised vessel in 2002, settled in Melbourne and got Australian citizenship in 2007.
Judge Rozenes heard today that the defence disputed several aspects of the prosecution summary, therefore more time was needed to resolve the issues before Haidari's plea went ahead.
He remanded Haidari in custody and adjourned the matter for a plea hearing on August 14.
http://www.theage.com.au/victoria/refugee-admits-peoplesmuggling-push-20120727-22xyu.html
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