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The Jonker
11 May 12 01:46
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Couldn't see a thread on this. Probably the death knell of BF in Australia. Was good while it lasted.

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By:
Joel
When: 11 May 12 01:57
?
By:
Thebas
When: 11 May 12 02:05
how does bf know .. when you put a bet down .. that you are trading ?
By:
whoopi
When: 11 May 12 02:09
just got a call....can't trade om NSW.
Thebas you can still back or lay....just not both on the same horse....NSW only
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 02:12
I'm just about to get a return call...this does seem confusing already. Can I bet that horse to win more than once? what happens if I try and lay it. ahhhh
By:
Thebas
When: 11 May 12 02:12
cheers whoopi

and wow ... yep the US is looking better by the minute

now .. are BF gonna take us back to an honest 5% on NON-nsw races ... instead of 6.5% when some of us
DON'T want to bet on the weak nsw racing product that pvl presents to the public .. under the guise of legitamately contested tru horse racing rather than the jock pace cartel they regularly serve up
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 02:14
I suppose once and for all we'll be able to see exactly what a non-trading exchange looks like...for all you out there who dislike traders.
By:
The Jonker
When: 11 May 12 02:17
Might be a barren wasteland Josh.
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 02:20
agree. Was trying to work out in a Black Caviar example of $1m matched, what % of that is true bets. It will be very interesting. I'm saddened, but perhaps this is something that needs to happen.
By:
whoopi
When: 11 May 12 02:23
see they are now offering top fluc. so can you lay on exchange and back on top fluc?
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 02:28
OK I'm a bit confused. Just received the call. On one hand it seems to apply to 'select' customers...basically they don't want me to have a 'risk free' position on NSW racing.
By:
The Jonker
When: 11 May 12 02:34
Probably won't be long till it applies everywhere as everywhere else will want the same deal as NSW.
By:
Thebas
When: 11 May 12 02:36
yes jonk .. you would imagine eventually that will be the case in oz

and if 5% went to 6.5% .. just to fix the nsw extra requirements

then is it 8% after vic ...  9.5% after sth oz ... 11% after west oz etc ?
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 02:42
and although I'm not one for a fight normally, we come back to the question of why Betfair didn't pull the pin on NSW to at least demonstrate the impact.
By:
eight ball
When: 11 May 12 03:03
Gut instinct says the BF 'bean counters' have been monitoring since the new rules and have quickly realized the new format makes it Nonviable.

Won't be long now.

Queen Liz awarded BF an award for Innovation yonks ago, since then its gone public(UK) and has decided that shareholders need to be fed, at the expense of it's customers.

One theme is common,many of us who have used BF since it's Aust inception are shaking our heads.
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 03:13
Which makes the 6.5% increase odd, because the historical data is available to indicate it won't be enough.
By:
dos dedos mis amigos
When: 11 May 12 03:19
i just backed one then laid it??
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 03:29
you can do it dos, but you'll get a call if it's a problem for them.  That's how I'm seeing it.
By:
dos dedos mis amigos
When: 11 May 12 03:31
I'm on 3.5% so I'm guessing it's gunna be a problem
By:
whoopi
When: 11 May 12 03:33
dos if you diddn't get a call i don't think you have to worry.
By:
dos dedos mis amigos
When: 11 May 12 03:34
roger that
By:
Hal
When: 11 May 12 03:35
You get a call ???????????????????? WTF Its an exchange, where's the official announcemeny, Bizarre!!!!
By:
lazza
When: 11 May 12 03:40
Whoopi mail lol
By:
cjd
When: 11 May 12 04:10
my call informed me that if I continued to trade on nsw my account would be cancelled, have no problem but I believe it should be in the betfair rules not a "we'll cancel you account" phone call
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 04:15
hmm I didn't get the cancel threaten but it was probably subliminal! It sounds like a few of us impacted here, and quite a few wouldn't use the forum.

The other question I have is with a straight out bet.

On my commission rate in theory I shouldn't back a horse under 1.33 or it's a loss to them. Seeking clarification.
By:
Barney The Bot Slayer
When: 11 May 12 04:28
CURIOUSER AND CURIOSER!!

the obvious response has always been and remains to pull the pin on NSW.

The other states , will be happy to cop something rather than nothing.

seems really really simple,


WTF am I missing??
By:
Dooksy
When: 11 May 12 04:30
Been playing phone tag with the Betfair rep all day. Presume it's the same call. The end is near.
By:
Dark....Target
When: 11 May 12 04:32
Ordinarily what cjd is saying would defy belief, unfortunately not when it comes to Betfair.
By:
cjd
When: 11 May 12 04:36
The call didn't start with the threat it was when I stated that I believed they should change the official rules for betting on nsw not just ring people and ask them to stop and I asked what happens if you didn't stop trading thats when the reply was your account would be cancelled.
I've been working on betfair for over 10 years and while I read the forum this is my first post, I'm absolutely disgusted at the sheer lack of concern for their customers shown here.
By:
Dark....Target
When: 11 May 12 04:38
CJD

They have ZERO regard for their customers, and the sad fact is they don't need to because although there will be plenty of threats, no one is going anywhere.

For anyone who this actually affects, i'd suggest writing to them seeking a written explanation clarifying the rules for betting in NSW markets.
By:
wombleoz
When: 11 May 12 04:43
looks like Peter V got his wish Sad
By:
Dooksy
When: 11 May 12 04:49
Spot on DT. Zero regard indeed.

Womble, in the short term he has, whether or not he has in the long term, we can only wait and see.
By:
Castiron
When: 11 May 12 04:51
Could one of the traders who received a phone call, clarify the date it will take effect.
By:
Josh-T
When: 11 May 12 04:51
good to hear from you cjd but very disappointing under the circumstances.

I really think you are right Barney.

Castiron - immediately
By:
Dooksy
When: 11 May 12 04:54
Effective immediately Castrion.
By:
Castiron
When: 11 May 12 04:56
Thanks, Josh.

Has anyone noticed any effect on todays meeting ?

The rise to 6.5%, had little impact on liquidity, in the markets, I operate on.
By:
swansdude
When: 11 May 12 05:00
hey all, do you guys do any trading in early markets or strictly bf pre race/in-running can't believe they are going down this road.
By:
Hal
When: 11 May 12 05:05
looks like they finally woke up the 6.5% by itself would not work.
By:
wombleoz
When: 11 May 12 05:05
can you lay off in-running??
By:
Dooksy
When: 11 May 12 05:08
I would suggest not Womble. They just don't want you being all green.
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