I. A. S. you have to laugh.

I got the phone call too from Sportsbet who I gather are the same company.  They don't want my business either.

I've had a dozen bets with them this year and every one lost, adding up to over $5k.  And they ban me?!  I had to ask if they were doing it because they were worried I couldn't afford to keep losing money at this rate.

I don't get it but it's their business, they can do what they like.

same here khan
LOL
lost 500 one day with them
then banned
i presumed we must have back horses that started shorter than what we backed at??

I like your sense of humour, Khan.

the way they worm their way into various media outlets and tell their lies and urgings is pathetic.

i applied for 3k credit and they gave me 200 - how funny is that

whats going on here? they are banning you for losing?

Does'nt IAS claim the cater for big asian based punters betting on soccer? Why are the banning guys fwho lose?

IS it the liability aspect?

i had trouble withdrawing from sportsbet b careful

since they changed hands sportsbet downgraded my credit from 5000 to 500 without any notifacation. happy to let me know i can only bet on city races and sport.
all these so called "betting shops" want is to bleed small time punters to death with small credits (if available) with as many clients as possible.
there will be the big punter(s) weeded through this system only to be big loser(s).

IAS  have apparently weeded out the winners to the point they have
.1% winning customers

thats 1 in a 1000

they went from being clearly the best to prob the worst

The TAB's also ban losing account customers.

what a lot of sh!t botslayer....  .1%, but do a agree that they have turned into a pack of irish/pommie girls that wouldnt know if a bookie stood up in their porridge, its a disgrace that the powers to be have allowed our 5 biggest bookies in this country all to be owed by overseas companies, and enforce the european/english betting style on our country, they turned it into a sterile numbers game, full of spin doctors and advertising geeks and now have just about crushed any local bookie from ever making ground on them

all punters who bet 1 code only,
trots , dogs
are getting accounts closed daily.
yes and some are losers .

I was  customer of IAS for 6 years, I haven;t had a bet in about 9 months,

Why arn;t they calling me?

1 code only, perhaps??

Barney

Both myself and Peter Dammerell, the Adelaide bookie were barred on Friday. Neither of us got a phone call. We only knew when we tried to have a bet via the internet.

Why dont you have a bet today, see if they let you on ?


I was talking yesterday to an Adelaide punter, who is a friend of JB's. Over a six month period, he won 28k betting on both codes. About two months ago, he got a phone call from them with this deal being offered. You can keep betting with us, but we will only pay you 40 cents in the dollar on your winning bets.

sounds suspiciously like a 60% charge at a "premium" rate 

basically anyone owned by a UK firm isnt worth two bob.

so thats sportsbet, IASbet and sportingbet.

but dont worry bet365 are coming and they never shut anyone (they will just restricted you to $3.65, which im pretty sure is how they came up with there name).

Hadn't had a bet with Sentabet for over 18 months. Balance nil or close to it.
Got an email out of the blue saying no fixed prices on the internet for you. Work that one out.

Hadn't had a bet with Sentabet for over 18 months. Balance nil or close to it.
Got an email out of the blue saying no fixed prices on the internet for you. Work that one out.

Must be your punishment for not betting with them.

Paddy has clever software that tracks your bets against what is available on the exchange. Even if you are a $5 punter you will eventually get the dreaded "Warning bet not permitted on your account" message if you continually back runners that are shorter on the exchange.

Strange, but if you continually back commodities longer on the exchange he will usually bet you. I wonder why.

We already know that IAS and Sportsbet are Paddy Power owned.

Centrebet and Sportingbet are now linked aswell.

Pretty incestuous industry at the best of times, but now with all these linked bookies you won't be able to get away with anything.

funnly enough today heard sportsbet advertising on a radio station where the age of the audience would mostly be aged. trying to fleece the oldies now. true scumbags.

then on a sports station spouting off their protest payout. no mention what they pay up to. scumbags again.

It seems these bookies only care about Racing codes. I have punted successfully on football codes with several bookies for years and the only one to ever give me grief was Betstar (Betchoice knocked back my bets several times on NFL so I just went elsewhere and got set anyway).
I don't get it but am not complaining. I guess most mug money (and astute money?) is on racing codes. Or maybe Football betting is less difficult to control and balance.
I really don't know.
Corps are basically scum. That is the only thing anyone knows for sure.

yeah crazy, same gig with me, dont bet on horses,dogs,trots with them, only sport and treated the same as u have said. Sports betting and its management is a different beast, the traders at these corps still have a opinion and will risk most clients up to a certain amount (except Senterbet, nothing on everything) the only ones that get completely banned on sports are the belligrent, difficult pig clients.

also Castiron, i find it hard to beleive that a bookie offered your mate 40cents in the winning dollar, pretty sure  he speaks with a fork tongue, but if u reckon its a fact ....then name the bookie here, and we will get him "named and shamed" in the public arena.

oh and by the way the victab r by far the biggest betting sportsbookie out there, no bookie gets close on a continual basis.

Vic TAB takes monster bets by phone but will not take anything above 10k risk online. I have rung up and gotten higher exposures with an operator but the online operation is 10k risk limit (I think). If I want bigger bets I usually go to the outlet and bet the old fashioned way. I break the tickets up into smaller bets so I can collect them separately and avoid unwanted attention. They have a form you have to fill out for collects over 10k I think. That limit may have changed.
Try getting that risk online with anyone else. I have had trouble getting 1k with some I have already mentioned. Centrebet takes bigger bets, although this season already I have had several bet referrals for bets under 2k risk. Surprising! I wonder if it's me or everyone.
Anyway, point is, it's very difficult to maintain profitability and go unnoticed. I guess I can understand it. I would be the same way I suppose, although the way bookies operate their online businesses these days they deserve to lose money. They do such stupid, uninformed crap at times.
I remember when you could bet at the track for thousands and they were only too eager to take the risk. The landscape has changed and I no longer like the view. I hope Pinnacle survives, but as for the others, I could care less if they live or die.

Logroller

The corp was IAS.

I had heard the story a month ago, and spoke personally with the guy on Sunday, at the Globe Derby trials.

Fellow forum member Punching Watsons, was also present.

Athough this punter is in the retail car business, I have no reason to doubt the veracity of his claim.

He is also a close friend of Jimmy Jacques, and Jimmy was the person who first told me of the action taken by IAS.

There a bunch od **** barred me years ago then opened accounts in family member names barred them to can thay can get ****ed bunch a ****

I know a bloke betting with one of these mobs.
beeting on Vic harness and trading on Golf. or more precisley Arbing on golf.
lay with Betfair and back at better oddds with corprate.

they barred him from the golf anf effectively barred him from harness.

he was also arbing on the Melb Cup 6 months from the event, They barred him from that as well.

WHAT CONCEIVABLE advantage could he have had on the Cup 6 months out.

AFL team the Kangaroos should seek out IAS for sponsorship as it now appears they share the the same ideals as their new sponsor World Vision ...that being anti gambling !

lol

it would be very interesting t see their turnover post Mark Reed

no one got barred with Reed as far as i know.

was a great agency IMHO

i did business with mark read's ias from day one,and never had a problem getting on the dogs ,no matter what i asked for.i can only assume he bet back many times ,but the bottom line is ,that i got on...win ,multis,exotics,everything.

since read has gone i am banned from all of their products...as are my 'friends' ,lol.well nearly all of my friends.

i am changing bowlers more often than michael clarke.

the irish have wrecked the aussie market unfortunately.

when ias started offering fixed price on the place i noticed there was great opportunities to trade. i did this successfully for 10 days. some prices where 1.0 more on ias than betfair. remember 1 race the horse initially was quoted 16 with ias and 13 i think with betfair. it firmed on betfair and drifted to 26 on ias. kept on betting on it. the horse ran third. the next day i was barred from fixed odds on racing. however i can still bet on sports and tote prices with ias. now i rarely bet with ias. centre bet i have a 10 to 30 second delay before my bets are accepted  on the greyhounds. sometimes they are rejected. however i can bet on gallops fixed odds without delay.

Betchoice now sold to Unibet. Article appearing today - UK gaming company, UNibetGroup plc, has agreed to pay 13.6 million GBP ($AUD20million) in cash to buy the business of Sydney based corporate bookmaker, Betchoice.
A further 1.63millionGBP ($AUD2.4million) may also be paid if Betchoice’s 2014 profits exceed AUD 4.4million.

Have to deal with another overseas bookie

I.A.S. will cease to exist within 2 months

rubbish loggamer
too many mug punters out there.

how much would u like to wager grandstand, they will be intergraded into sportsbet sooner than later

Logroller??
is that the plan, buy the opposition out, run the business into the ground, then amalgamate ??

Sportsbet and Iasbet are basically the same thing anyway so it makes sense

If this is true, then obviously they only want to take the mugs with them, when they amalgamate.

After thinking about it they're providing a valuable service.  They analyse your punting and only keep you if they're 99.9% sure you're a long term loser.

So anyone still with them after 6 months should give up punting forever.  You're officially a mug.

All the others that they boot have some hope, and you should take it as a compliment.

Seems simple.

Instead of complaining about the corporates (personally I was banned 10 years ago and never went back) why not start a relationship with an on course bookie. Before anyone says they are not big enough or wont bet you etc etc think back before the corporates ruined the oncourse market by sucking everyone away from oncourse. I was able to get set in one bet with one bookie to win $100k - no questions asked. When there is money on course the bookies will bet bigger AND the raceclubs become more profitable to provide a better racing product.

and what on course bookie will set us on afl,nrl,s15s cricket?????

Logroller, IAS will not be amalgamated any time soon. David Dwyer will bet you on sports.

youknowit
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Instead of complaining about the corporates (personally I was banned 10 years ago and never went back) why not start a relationship with an on course bookie. Before anyone says they are not big enough or wont bet you etc etc think back before the corporates ruined the oncourse market by sucking everyone away from oncourse. I was able to get set in one bet with one bookie to win $100k - no questions asked. When there is money on course the bookies will bet bigger AND the raceclubs become more profitable to provide a better racing product.


Wow - that could be the best/smartest post I've ever read on here! Several Sydney bookies will bet you big (sports too)
And you have the luxury of talking/negotiating with the decision maker! seems good to me.
A bookie at Newcaslte yesty bet $750 e/w Al Dafra 17.0 - not a bad provincial bet....

Mister10 • March 5, 2012 1:33 AM GMT
Paddy has clever software that tracks your bets against what is available on the exchange. Even if you are a $5 punter you will eventually get the dreaded "Warning bet not permitted on your account" message if you continually back runners that are shorter on the exchange.

Strange, but if you continually back commodities longer on the exchange he will usually bet you. I wonder why.

Pretty much what I was told.  What gets me though, is if they have this "clever software" to monitor the exchanges and the prices on there, why the **** they are offering bigger odds anyway.


Seriously, would it not be a lot easier just to except anybody as a punter, and simply offer odds at a worse price than the exchange?  Still weed out the arb bettors and value seekers and don't have to ban anybody.


Multi million dollar companies and they can't run a decent book?  Spend all this time and money monitoring peoples betting patterns and if they are seen to be backing at better odds than the exchanges they ban them.  How are these people betting at these odds in the first place?  A guy sitting at home with a 200 dollar laptop can see arb opportunities with them but they haven't learnt how to simply not offer those inflated odds in the first place?

Ridiculous.

What gets me with these companies, is you ring them up to get on something, they knock you back, or take a pissy bet, then wind the odds out.  Is my money at lower odds not better than anybody elses money at inflated odds?  Wind the odds out to get more money on that investment, so why not just take it in the first ****ing place.

Seriously, I could run a better bookmaking facility than most of them running a laptop and a spreadsheet.

Election coming up.  Have to be some votes for the guy that introduces legislation that makes the online bookies have the same rules as on course bookies with who they have to bet to and the minimum liability they have to accept.

But anybody that has been barred from IAS on the gallops, check out their harness meetings fixed odds betting.  Can load up on them for 5 minutes before they realise that the odds they are offering are 10 minutes old.  Might only get a week or so out of it, but ****, hurt them good, they will close you down anyway, so why not.

Agree with your sentiments BJT. Price ignorant numpties - please make your way immediately to the IAS/Sportsbet website. Anyone else can F*#k off.

Haven't read many of the previous posts but...
One day I literally jagged a couple of EX, and QN with these guys, they paid something like 4K, I only had the account opened for 2 weeks, I was able to withdraw 10K.
No problems, and haven't had had email to say that they would restrict my bets.

Any danger one of these UK betting giants pay $20 million for an on course license??

Sportsbet and IAS are not basically the same thing, they ARE the same thing. The servers are now linked so there is no time lag between price updates on either site and all the prices are identical. This happened around the time Paddy took them over.

no it didnt crazy? it happened when they launched their new "open bet" internet system around 8 months ago. and dumped the 2 systems they were using, but who really gives a rats they are exactly the same joint, same risk managers, same traders and the same odds and limits and they will combine both sites in the near future under the name of Sportsbet.

melbourne punter, if that on course license turns over 200million plus, and its EBITDA is around 4.5million per year then i think they would look at it

I can only go on what I noticed in terms of my own betting, since I hold accounts with both concerns. I used to hit one service when the other trimmed but that stopped at or around the time I became aware of the takeover. I guess the timing of that was different to my knowledge of it.
Anyway, can't exploit much with Sportsbet anymore so not much point holding an account these days (and certainly not both!)

Only thing they are good for is in play betting. They offer more options than most in terms of margin betting in the run.

Think im cast if thats the case loggy!

check this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laiV9hYg3vs

is that centerbet Aust??

seems very tropical. they are all vagabonds

Time to give this a bump, after Mickeyh thread on the same subject.

The last thing we need is some unsuspecting forumite, giving these grubs any business.

agree .....keep these threads at the top....too name and shame these parasites
sportsbet
iasbet
both named and shamed for their truely un australian bookmaking tactic's

Yep I can add to the horror stories. I have been limited by both as well. Don't think i was even winning in sportsbet!! Just hit a couple of correct scores in ias bet and they limit my bet to $5 and change the odds to unbackable prices. For example they now accept $5, decline the rest and then change correct score odds from say $7-$4.75.

So, as posted before, add your experiences on

http://www.bookiesreviewed.com.au/

don't just limit them to the Betfair forumites.

No I'm not involved with the site just think it's a great idea.

sniping betfair which seems to be the method of choice for the majority of 'PUNTERS' these days will result in acc's being closed. imagine that! these books are running a business not a charity. let me guess its un-australian? since when do robots have a voice anyway??

Onya Knackers. Great analogy - they're a business.....really??? Thanks for the scoop.

Please tell me any other business that's allowed to discriminate against people in such fashion?

Where's the difference between this and a cafe owner who refuses to serve a sandwich to say an Indian because they don't like the look of them.

IT'S DELIBERATE DIRECT DISCRIMINATION, JUST IN A DIFFERENT FORM.

actually Mickeyh a coffee shop can refuse to serve anyone, as can a shop refuse to sell you any of it's goods. Granted they can't do it on the basis of race, but they can do it without giving any reason at all.

Refusing to supply consumers
In general, businesses may decide for themselves with whom they wish to deal. The Competition and Consumer Act 2010 does not give anyone an absolute right to be supplied, whatever the circumstances. There is no automatic right to be supplied and there is no obligation on a business to justify its decision to refuse supply.

However, there are a limited set of circumstances where refusing to sell goods to a customer can be illegal.

When is refusing to deal with a customer illegal?
There are only a few circumstances that make a refusal to deal illegal under the Competition and Consumer Act. Generally, these situations only arise where your refusal to sell goods or services to someone is done for an anti-competitive reason. As stated above, these circumstances are generally limited to business-to-business transactions and are generally unlikely to occur in normal retail selling.

Sometimes refusal to deal is prohibited outright, other times it is subject to a competition test.

Where to find further information
For more information on refusal to deal, refer to the ACCC's Refusal to Deal guide.

Doesnt look a clear issue to me. Might be another for High Court if someone has the dough.

seems pretty clear cut to me Kye. As a former retailer i refused to serve people for various reasons as was my right.
As it says, There is no automatic right to be supplied and there is no obligation on a business to justify its decision to refuse supply.
Add that to these circumstances are generally limited to business-to-business transactions and are generally unlikely to occur in normal retail selling. , and it doesn't really get more clear cut imo.

Boycotts
Primary boycotts: agreements that contain
an exclusionary provision (s. 45 (2))
Agreements between two or more competitors
to refuse to deal, or limit dealings with another
supplier or particular customer, or a class of
competitor or customer, are known as primary
boycotts. They are illegal.

if two or more competitors collude to ban one customer then i reckon that would be illegal

Actually most of them are boycotting a class of customer which i don't think is allowed

Fair point Whoopi - maybe a Primary Boycott would have been a better way to put it! IAS AND Sportsbet ban you = Primary Boycott!!

Kye are you a lawyer during by day? If not perhaps you should be. Very good info. I'll include it in my letters and see what comes of it. Thanks

http://www.accc.gov.au/content/item.phtml?itemId=304569&nodeId=8f54207dcb5456dfbc81efa2d27db6f1&fn=Refusal%20to%20deal%20January%202007.pdf

this link has some more info

following might also apply to mickeyh & others

Accepting payment without
intending to supply (s. 58)
It is a breach of s. 58 of the Act to accept
payment where there is no intention to supply.
Section 58 falls in Part V of the Act. It is not subject
to the competition test and the penalties and
remedies are those that apply to Part V.

Yeah good one knackers and which one of the above so called bookies do u work for?

Knackers I'm not sure I understand all of your post but the line 'we are running a business, not a charity' is a very common one heard from the corps.

What is their business?  It's providing gambling services.  They say 'this is what we are offering' and I say 'sure, I would like to use that'.

Except IAS / Sportsbet is the only business I've ever encountered that refuses to accept my custom.  They're saying - Our business is providing a service, but you seem to know what you're doing so we won't provide it to you.

It's equivalent to me refusing to let overweight people into my all-you-can-eat buffet, or a casino that won't allow anybody in who isn't drunk.

What other business claim to provide a service to everyone but actually only do so for incompetents?  I don't know of any.

Is it unAustralian?  Surely it is.

My mate in Queensland has been told he is not allowed to bet for cash in any TATTS BET agencey through out the state. The agents want his business but the head office tells the agent to tell him to leave. If he doesnt leave they turn off the terminals in the TAB he is in, which also stops anyone else getting on. This is FIXED ODDS BETTING at its lowest.

If these cowboys at TATTS BET want to bet FIXED ODDS well over the race track price, they need to realise they are not providing the best model for profit.

Its alright to take 18% out of parimutual pools, but fixed odds is gambling with no safety net.

This will be a big story soon as the renewal of their liscence comes up soon.

Lest we forget