No question?

Think you'll find there are plenty of questions out there wombleoz.

You just don't want to hear it.

Too busy fantasising about this great big new tax on everything.

Wombleoz loves tax.  Any excuse will do.

The battlers cop an almighty kick in the teeth, whilst wombleoz continues to sip lattes on Toorak Road.......easy for some.

This is a sham.  And it's being exposed more and more, day by day.

The Carbon Tax will be the final nail in the Rudd-Gillard-Labor coffin - and good fkn riddance to bad rubbish.

If we were to accept the premise of "climate change" - a great big new tax on everything does NOTHING to help the climate crusaders cause - an illegimate tax for an illegimate cause.

We shut down our economy completely, in this country, and the impact on the environment?  Zippidy Doo Daa.  That's a fact. 

Professor Richard Lindzen, one of the world’s most eminent atmospheric scientists in South Australia said some months back:

"Repeatedly in science we are reminded that happenings in nature can rarely be ascribed to a single phenomenon. For example, sea levels on our coasts are dependent on winds and astronomical forces as well as atmospheric pressure and, on a different time scale, the temperature profile of the ocean. Now, with complete abandon, a vociferous body of claimants is insisting that CO2 alone is the root of climatic evil."

The fanatics such as yourself wombleoz really have nothing constructive or factual to bring forward to your argument other than public chants of:  "bring on the tax"  "bring on the tax"
                          "tax is good" 

The battlers cop an almighty kick in the teeth, whilst wombleoz continues to sip lattes on Toorak Road.......easy for some.

That's a great sledge

science does not agree on this en masse

but the pollies want you to think they all agree ... so a money grab can go ahead

a filthy opportunistic tax is proposed ... that will do NOTHING ... for the very problem it is purported to address

ooops

my guess is

1)close to 100% - i wonder why, wouldnt be that their charter is to prove fudged statistics are a threat? - rather than not looking at ANY STAGE TO DISPROVE warming?

2)close to 0% - maybe because they are not answerable to the people wanting to tax the living carp out of everyone?

nearly shot meself in the foot

thebas

That'll be next - your not wrong.  I mean this is just farcical.

The argument is

As wombleoz has demonstrated, the cause is insignificant, they don't want to discuss the problem, the science or the facts - its all about the tax.

An inefficient tax to save us from a problem thats not even a problem.

There is one way to stop this great big new tax on everything.

CHANGE THE GOVERNMENT!!!

i WILL SAY AGAIN .. imo the science is in and whilst the majority of the scientific community can never say a single thing is the cause ...added all together makes a compelling case. IMO pollution is the bigger threat with natural waterways and artesien basins getting ruined by miners...coal seam gas exploration is absolutely going to fk Qld for future generations but they won't say no to the money.
History is littered with "its safe" by big companies to only find damage later.

In saying all that ... a tax on the end user is not the answer... cleaner alternatives and the ability to stand up to the owners of capital by parliment.

Unfortunately ...the push for this tax simply leaves the current Govt " leading with their head and getting their nose broken" every time it's spoken about.

Middle of the Pacific their is a hundreds of kilometres pile of rubbish...how bout they start with cleaning up that...as a world community

stop this bullsh!t to and froth about climate change.....it is here no doubt...
in the history of records on world climate, 2010 was the hottest, and we have recorded the 10 hottest years on record in the last 15years, any fool now must agree that the planet is warming up

Womble : sell the tax on pollution ...pure and simple ....that will change behaviour quick smart and will go a long way to helping the environment.

logroller - not so sure I agree with you.  There are a sizeable (and growing) number of scientists, professors and doctors in the field of climate, water and environment who disagree with some that say the earth is warming.  With all due respect, records going back 15 years are quite insignificant when we ponder the time this planet has been around.

The "global warming" marketable name-change to "climate change" wasn't a coincidence.

Wombleoz - Oh right, so now we just pull numbers out of the air.  90 out of 100 scientists agree.  Where are these scientists?

In wombleoz-land?  ffs.

I love the insinuations from some(namely wombleoz) that, because I (and others) dispise this great big tax on everything (carbon tax) and I disagree wholeheartedly (in line with many professionals within the field) with the collapsing "global warming" or "climate change" movement and train-of-thought and the convenient dismissal of the cyclical and forever changing nature of our environment over hundreds of thousands of years...............it means I love pollution, want the world to end and couldn't give rats about our kids futures.

It's a real emotive way of manipulative debate.
A deceptive tactic.  A guilt-trip.  But its misleading.

You as well as I, wombleoz, know there are many alternatives, some of which have been pushed in the political arena, to working towards a cleaner, greener and more sustainable Australia - and of course sharing our good work and encourages others globally to do the same.

But your obsessed with your ideological tax - its that, or we're doomed according to you and your fanatics.  Similarly, its your scientists word and no one elses. 

I am all for and in favour of CONSTRUCTIVE ways of greening up our way of living, working on REAL and ACHIEVABLE local/national/global solutions to easing pollution and curbing the dispicable acts of some sectors (mining, for example) that are potentially leaving behind a toxic future for generations to come.

I'm not against greening up (in the environmental sense), but I vehemently reject the crumbling science being the climate change momvement.  I simply disagree.  And if it were the case that we are doomed - a carbon tax will do absolutely FKN nothing.

And for the faithful to say, "well we must do something, it must be the tax" is the weakest, most pathetic cop-out I have ever heard.

Pollution tax, carbon tax, save-us-we're-fkd tax....no matter the name the outcome is the same.  Oh wait, hang on.  Thats right, there are no fkn outcomes for the environment, generated from a new tax.

Either way, the ship has sailed on this argument.

Gillard, as with many other "issues" has painted herself into a corner - following her declaration before the election that - there would be NO carbon tax.

This is political carnage for Gillard Labor, but they've passed the point of no return - you know "decision and delivery" in 2011 and all that jazz.

citizens assembly is dead and buried where it belongs

pricing pollution, carbon, whatever is going to be a hard sell but it can be done - like i said, the dollar is king and as long as that's the case a price is the fastest way to change things

Jez, that is the 10 hottest years in the last 15years of 170years of recorded records on world climate, now i do realize 170years is nothing in the history of time, but it is all we have to go on, so what do u suggest we wait another 170years to make a more informed decision

To be clear : our grandchildren will pay a sh!tload of $$ (all the time cursing our generation as a$$holes) but those in the 3rd world will pay with their lives and their children`s lives.

now fcuk off its raceday..........

To be clear : our grandchildren will pay a sh!tload of $$ (all the time cursing our generation as a$$holes) but those in the 3rd world will pay with their lives and their children`s lives.

complete BS

and record temps my a.ss i can remember xmas day in the 70's like i havent had anywhere near since

The climate's always changing Tucker Max - has been long before we came along.

And whilst your language is emotive, it doesn't take away from science that disputes the role of CO2 in the atomosphere and the fundamentals behind the climate change argument/movement.

I agree in cutting back pollution and working on contructive ways of tackling it - and I have no doubt pollution damages the environment in some form, but I'm yet to be convinced that climate change is anything but the planets regular cyclical weather.

Our weather has never been static.

The record droughts, the record temps and the floods are not new....Tuckermax

Look at the even-greater floods in Queensland in the late 1800's, along with the extreme temperatures across Australia throughout that period.  We weren't polluting as much back then, so maybe our conscience's were clean, but I'm sure they didn't blame "global warming" or "climate change".

That argument aside, a carbon tax serves to help the environment in NO WAY whatsoever.  It's a fundamentally flawed scheme that doesn't help save us from the impending doom you speak of.

Another bleeter, with nothing constructive to say - but try to emotionally charge th debate.

Really touching.   Not. 

These responses now make me very sad indeed

after your opening post with calling us all cnuts i dont suppose you were gunna get called swetty pie?

*sweety

Thebas.

You last post, hits the nail on the end.

Spot on. 

Great post.