Jez, you just said

The Rudd-Gillard Government (first term government) lost its majority for good reason wombleoz - I'd suggest your alone in your praise of this hopeless and hapless government.

the government lost it's majority and the ball game has changed, as a result there will be a price on carbon by the end of the year. Just as there would be if Howard had of won the election in 2007 and implemented the policy, Turnbull's policy, they had run with OR id Abbott didn't defeat Turnbull by 1 vote when he took over.

Good on you pxb: Obviously the reverse is true with oxygen as you say.Again ...it would be good to see some knowledge and balance from the pollies....but they have costed the amount of revenue from the tax no doubt.

There is only one federal MP with a post graduate science degree, Jensen from here in Perth, and he is an outspoken climate sceptic.

Wombleoz that is absolute rot.

Let me tell you wombleoz, and this is from the REAL WORLD.

This Gillard Labor-Green Coalition can introduce a carbon tax as much as they like and I'm sure you'll get your rocks off every night after its introduced, but, I can assure you my friend, me, the Liberals and millions of other Australian's will be waiting with electoral baseball bats to pound the living sh1t out of this hopeless, hapless, pathetic excuse for a government at the next election.

You know what?

Your right.   BRING IT ON.

What pathetic and utter deceitful reasoning though.

"half minus 1 Liberals want a tax on carbon".

Gutter politics from the watermelons.  Not at all surprising.

From the SMH website

In the second round between Mr Abbott and Mr Turnbull, Mr Abbott polled 42 to Mr Turnbull's 41.

There was one MP or senator who voted informally in the second vote. Sky News reported that the informal vote was marked with the word ‘‘no’’.

If Turnbull wins we have at ETS today

Van Morrison from his weird but wonderful album Hard Nose The Highway
The Great Deception

Did you ever hear about the great deception
Well the plastic revolutionaries take the money and run
Have you ever been down to love city
Where they rip you off with a smile
And it don't take a gun

Its all good for Gillard Labor.....

They've got plenty of political capital to burn when they implement a carbon tax in 2011.................



I'd be treasuring every second that remains of the Gillard Labor Government if I were you wombleoz.

Not sure on the relevance wombleoz.

Labor are in government.

ffs

Granted the current govt is a shambles led by the completely inept Swan (re-reform the very banks that dragged this country through the **** on the basis that a bunch of mornons have taken up loans they can't afford?!?! Idiot)but unfortunately I don't see the Libs as being a great deal better.

They have basically offered Australia nothing for a long time.

And don't get me started on the Greens, they would have to be the worst of all. We don't mind if you greenies want to live in mud huts and braid each others hair but don't force your rubbish on others...

We're in the first few months of a hung parliament - give the Coalition time The Big O.

The Coalition are in a strong position with a government faltering at every turn and without ideas, enthusiasm, leadership or competence.

2011 is the year for massive policy redevelopment for the Liberal-National Coalition - I believe we will see, not just a strong critique of the government from the Opposition (naturally you'd expect that from an Opposition) but a real, strong and credible alternative.

As for the Greens - couldn't agree more.

Just wait until Lee Rhiannon joins the Senate mid 2011 as a NSW Senator.........oh dear........

My turn to quote the Australian

The government's multi-party committee on climate change has agreed that industry competitiveness should underpin a carbon price mechanism.

Climate Change Minister Greg Combet yesterday labelled an agreement struck on a list of 11 policy principles as "a significant step forward" in the bid to legislate a price on carbon.

But, Mr Combet said, it was too early for the government to declare that legislation would be introduced into parliament by the end of next year, despite assurances from the Greens that it would be.

The policy principles agreed on yesterday by the multi-party committee include ensuring that a future carbon price mechanism be environmentally effective, have a neutral effect on the budget, promote investor certainty and take account of its impact on the competitiveness of local industries.

The committee, made up of representatives from the government, the Greens and regional independent MPs Tony Windsor and Rob Oakeshott, also agreed that a carbon price mechanism must be "fair", and assistance to low-income households should be considered.

Mr Combet yesterday said the committee had canvassed all the options and design features for pricing carbon over the past three months.

"Nothing has been agreed on any of the design features, and no particular option for a carbon price has been settled," Mr Combet said.

"The fact that we have been able to settle upon a set of

agreed principles to guide the development of a carbon price mechanism is a significant step forward."

Mr Combet said next year would be "a real business year for carbon pricing", but he conceded there was a long way to go before a mechanism was chosen.

Mr Windsor yesterday told Sky News the committee was making progress, but he said it was premature to begin talking about an outcome.

"I think we are having a rational debate behind closed doors and I think it's been pretty positive so far," Mr Windsor said.

"That doesn't mean it can't fall apart".

The New England MP said

the Productivity Commission's analysis on the mechanisms being adopted overseas would be essential to the committee's considerations.

Greens senator Christine Milne said the Greens wanted to see a market-based mechanism to lower emissions moved through parliament by the end of next year.


Bring it on

Hope your right Jez.

This mining tax is turning into another top shelf Swan moment.

Even Bob Brown and the Greens are considering pulling the pin on there support for the mining tax.

Was listening to Colin Barnett (WA Lib Premier) talking about the the move Gillard Labor wants to make on state royalties - there are significant constitutional issues that are very real with the pending proposals being made.

Can't believe the Rudd-Gillard Government didn't discuss this matter with the states/territories prior to throwing this rushed mining tax onto the table.

Just watch CH10 next year and into the future, for a ballanced view of the Mining Industry. imo.

Bob Carter on Labor’s futile and economically damaging tax on carbon emissions

The pre-Christmas announcement by the Gillard Government’s Multi-Party Climate Change Committee of 11 key principles that it will apply in deciding the details of the planned new carbon tax was a “pantomime performance”, according to Professor Bob Carter.

Prof. Carter described the planned tax as “futile” and says it will be “economically damaging”.

Prof. Carter lists the 11 principles announced by the committee and comments on each:

Environmental effectiveness. The reality is that cutting Australia’s carbon dioxide emissions, even altogether, will confer no measurable environmental benefit. Computer models suggest that a cut in emissions of, say, 20% by 2050 will (hypothetically) prevent warming by less than one-thousandth of a degree. By definition, then, a carbon dioxide tax is ineffective.

Economic efficiency. No economic need, let alone efficiency, is sensibly met by taxing an environmentally beneficial trace gas.

Budget neutrality. Whose budget? The imposition of a tax of, say, $30/tonne will impose on every Australian household increased costs estimated at more than $2,000 per year.

Competitiveness of Australian industries. The introduction of a carbon dioxide tax is intended to, and will, significantly increase the cost of energy generation. Obviously, the resultant increase in business costs will reduce the competitiveness of Australian industry against overseas counterparts in countries (most) that have no similar tax.

Energy security. In fact, energy security is sharply compromised by the very policies that the committee is espousing. Which are to continue to discriminate against coal, uranium and hydropower as energy sources, thereby taking out of play three of the only four currently practical sources of baseload power generation. Restricting the nation’s options in this way leaves only gas and oil for baseload generation, reduces energy security dramatically and is irresponsible.

Investment certainty. Industry frequently calls for policy certainty regarding future investment in power generation. Terry McCrann was amongst the first to point out that such certainty would be most easily and cost-effectively assured by declaring a carbon dioxide tax of $0/tonne.

Fairness for households. The committee must surely be kidding. Any form of carbon dioxide taxation will inescapably cause increased costs for households, especially those of poorer socio-economic status. Mark well, the most disadvantaged Australians are going to pay, and that quite irrespective of any subsidy measures that the government may trumpet.

Flexibility to changing international circumstances. International circumstances have indeed changed recently, and the failure of nations to reach a global climate agreement at either the Copenhagen or Cancun conferences has been greeted in Australia with zero flexibility. Our policymakers and climate alarm lobbyists, now led by an unoriginal Mr Combet, have simply reiterated their earlier, failed policies of taxing carbon dioxide. The most important circumstance to be aware of now, of course, is that once such a tax is introduced it will be almost impossible to remove – despite its being unnecessary, inefficient and ultimately futile.

Administrative simplicity. Dream on. Remember, a Canberra-based committee is designing this unnecessary new tax.

Accountability. Of whom, and for what? If blame is to be sheeted home for the faulty scientific advice that has led to the current global warming policy fiasco, then CSIRO, BOM, the Department of Climate Change and major university climate research groups would be good places to start to look for culprits.

Support for Australia’s international objectives. Australian objectives presumably should not include economic and political stupidity in the face of the collapsed talkfests at Copenhagen and Cancun. The idea that overseas nations will discriminate against Australia unless we implement anti-carbon dioxide measures is well worn out, and has anyway always been a juvenile argument. Nations take hard decisions in accordance with their sovereign economic interests, irrespective of Green lobby group dreaming.

“The irony is that the eleven principles adopted by the MCCC, to the degree that they are not mere persiflage, add up to a strong argument for NOT introducing a levy on carbon dioxide emissions, i.e., the principles indicate a course of action precisely the opposite of what the government currently intends,” Prof. Carter writes.

Read Professor Carter’s article, including his commentary on the UN’s Cancun talkfest, at Quadrant Online.

Professor Bob Carter is a geologist at James Cook University, Fellow of the IPA and one of the world’s leading palaeoclimatologists.

ExxonMobil, Telstra, WMC Resources, BHP Billiton, Phillip Morris,[6] Murray Irrigation Limited,[7] and Visy Industries.

IPA donors have also included Clough Engineering, Caltex, Shell and Esso.[8] Other backers were electricity and mining companies, as well as British American Tobacco (BAT).[8]

So that's why the LIBS continue to accept Political Donations from some of these companies including the Cancer Companies.

OIL Companies, Tobacco Companies, Mining Companies



AND YOU C RAP ON ABOUT VESTED INTEREST.

Just proves that the Climate Change deniers are FUELLED by their alleigance with BIG OIL,BIG MINING Companies,an a desire to have the debate across POLITICAL PARTY LINES and is a CARBON COPY of how the debate is being manourvered in the USA also.ie: Democrats vs Republicans.

We'll see if the Labor Party use your phoney arguments next year when they slug the Australian people with a great big tax on everything - that does NOTHING for the environment.



I can't wait. 

It'll go down like a lead balloon.