as an aside lets have a little look at a combined & organised Europe now 
.. and how they are handling their own energy issue co2/nuclear/wind to see how well ahead they are


Countries like Portugal and Spain have meanwhile been fighting for targets on building cross-border power lines, saying that nuclear-focused France is blocking them from exporting surplus electricity produced by wind.

ffs

https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/25336149/eu-leaders-close-in-on-climate-change-deal/



and how are the UK handling their own EURO links

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/uk-rejects-appalling-eu-demand-210502364.html

British Prime Minister David Cameron insists he will not pay an additional contribution to the European Union of 2.1 billion euros ($A3.15 billion) at a time of increasing pressure at home for the UK to leave the bloc.

The EU executive Commission said the demand stemmed from the fact that the economies of some countries, like Britain, have grown more than expected at the start of the year.

Cameron and his Dutch counterpart Mark Rutte already discussed a common protest at the EU summit, which ends on Friday. The Netherlands too is facing an increasingly vocal anti-EU camp.


... YEAH THAT'S AGROUP YOU'D WANT TO HAVE OZ LINKED WITH FINANCIALLY ... us as minnows primed for wealth swallowing by the EU bloc 

 

BIGGEST RORT KNOWN TO MAN

are these land surface temps they're predicting or the atmosphere Womble ?

yeah not sure here either ... you'd think the IPCC could be more specific

for example NASA can tell us the temp of the atmosphere has risen 0.8 c in total since the 1880's and has risen 0.5 c since 1950

these are not major changes to our globe thank goodness

the surface temps i would suggest have risen by more ... sue to deforestation (humans), more cares (humans), more shopping malls (humans), more rice paddies (humans) so the human fingerprint is undeniable

and the hottest town in australia (and at one point in the world) was marble bar WA

its temp has actually decreased since the 1930's ... probably not as many extra cars, shops, agriculture as our cities which do seem hotter

gotta be an answer ... i mean would our cities get much cooler (or hotter still) if we start trading co2 credits

cars will still run hot whether its petrol driven or not, shopping mall air-con exhausts will still dump hot moist air whether they are electricity driven of wind driven at the engine

are they sure they have an answer to the real problem ?

changing lifestyles could also slow things

but humans will be humans and they won't change you'd reckon

you'd think science could look at answer now ...

for example ... medical science is going ahead in leaps and bounds ... they seem focused on solutions and not just money swaps to adjust human behaviour where humans dont want to change


https://au.news.yahoo.com/qld/a/25401233/3d-printed-organs-another-step-closer-as-biofabrication-enters-university-mainstream/

3D implants using patient specific tissue (ie your own tissue not like a liver translpant from another person)

[b]3D printed organs another step closer as biofabrication enters university mainstream

Australian students will soon be learning how to use 3D printing to churn out living replacement body parts, as universities team with their European counterparts to offer a world-first degree course.

Queensland University of Technology (QUT) and the University of Wollongong will partner with the University Medical Centre Utrecht in the Netherlands and the University of Würzburg in Germany next year to offer the world's first international masters degree in 3D body part printing.

"We're able to add cells from the actual patients we're trying to treat, and that makes a three-dimensional living tissue."

"Take orthopaedics for example... You can get bones from the bone bank, which is other people's bones, but sometimes this causes reactions or infections,'" he said.

"What this technique does is make it very patient-specific so you can build something to exactly match the defected part, and it does not carry the risk of transmissible disease."

"It just gets smaller and smaller and the tissue forms more and more in the scaffold, which is highly porous, and eventually the polymer disappears and you're left with regenerated tissue."

ok surface temperature it is

I think science can save us, if we let it - but we do need to keep them in check as well - it can't be a free for all

Good line by the lady on 730 tonight - if there were 100 Qantas Engineers and 98 told you the plane you were about to get on wasn't safe, would you still get on???

Western Australia in October 2014: Hottest October on record
October 2014 in WA was the warmest October on record for both mean maximum temperature and mean minimum temperature since records commenced in 1910.
Mean maximum temperatures were above to very much above average across most of the state, with record high mean maxima for October reported in the South West Land Division (SWLD), southern Gascoyne, Goldfields, inland east Pilbara, Southern Interior, and Eucla. Apart from most of the Kimberley, near the WA west coast, and the eastern Eucla coast, mean maximum temperatures were 2 ° C to 4 °C warmer than normal across WA, and were up to 6 °C warmer than normal in the central Southern Interior. Averaged across the state, the mean maximum temperature in October 2014 was 2.9 °C above the long-term average and ranked as the warmest October on record. For the Lower Southwest (southwest of a line from Jurien Bay to Bremer Bay), October 2014 was 2.5 °C above average, and the third warmest October on record.
Mean minimum temperatures were above average to very much above average across much of the state, apart from the central and east Kimberley, and northeast Northern Interior, with record high mean minma reported in the SWLD, southern Gascoyne, Goldfields, and Eucla. Mean minimum temperatures were 2 °C to 3 °C warmer than normal in a broad area across the east Pilbara, western Northern Interior, and central and southeastern WA, and were up to 6 °C warmer than normal in the central Southern Interior, whilst minimum temperatures in the east Kimberley were 1 °C to 2 °C cooler than normal. Averaged across the state, the mean minimum temperature in October 2014 was 2.1 °C above the long-term average and ranked as the warmest October on record. When averaged across the Lower Southwest, October 2014 ranked fifth warmest on record.
Rainfall in October 2014 in WA was above to very much above average in parts of the Pilbara, east Gascoyne, Goldfields, eastern SWLD, and western parts of the Northern and Southern Interior. Large parts of the southern SWLD recorded their wettest October for at least 20 years, and some sites, particularly in the Southeast Coastal, recorded their wettest October on record. Conversely, areas of the west Gascoyne, western SWLD, central and east Kimberley, eastern Northern Interior and northeast Southern Interior recorded below to very much below average rainfall. When averaged across the State as a whole, rainfall in October 2014 was near average; similarly rainfall was also near average for the SWLD and the Lower Southwest when averaged across those regions.
Hottest October on record for day-time temperature for WA with a 2.9 °C warm anomaly, 3rd warmest on record for the Lower Southwest
Hottest October on record for night-time temperature for WA with a 2.1 °C warm anomaly, 5th warmest on record for the Lower Southwest
Bidyadanga recorded a maximum temperature of 45.2 °C on the 9th, the earliest day on record in October in Australia with temperature over 45 °C. The previous record was on the 21st October 2002 when multiple sites in the Kimberley and Pilbara recorded maximum temperatures ranging from 45.2 °C to 46.7 °C. High temperatures in the west Kimberley and east Pilbara in the second week of the month also caused Derby Aerodrome to record its hottest October day in 30 years with 44.1 °C on the 7th.
A trough passage through the SWLD on the 16th led to unusually high temperatures across southern WA, with Eneabba (15th) and Esperance Aerodrome (16th) breaking their previous highest October maximum temperature, whilst Balladonia recorded its highest October minimum temperature on the 17th.
A low pressure system developed over southwest WA on the 18th and 19th before moving off the south coast on the 20th, bringing widespread thunderstorms and heavy rainfall across central and southern WA. A number of sites recorded daily rainfall totals in the 30 mm to 100 mm range and many sites in the SWLD, as well as Laverton Aerodrome in the Goldfields, recorded their wettest October day on record on the 19th or 20th. A supercell thunderstorm formed near New Norcia on the 18th and tracked to the southwest and over the Perth Metropolitan area in the afternoon producing heavy rainfall and large amounts of small hail. Severe thunderstorms redeveloped again on the 19th with several locations in eastern parts of the SWLD recording heavy rainfall and severe wind gusts.
Widespread severe thunderstorms occurred along a surface trough through southern and central parts of the SWLD on the 22nd. Hail larger than 20 cent coins (3 cm) and flash flooding were reported in the proximity of Boyup Brook in the South West district.

more pple than ever on earth..but thats not affecting anything at all...seriously ....

****s need to stop breeding

imo

could be a little longer before they are back with the result in the US - Republicans don't care about the environment

if the world was serious about climate control,all cars would be either diesel or electric, wind turbo's would be the norm, coal burning banned. trees being logged banned.

simple solution though, ban baked beans and put a tax of farts

still reckon the 70's were worst than todays weather

100 years of history there Megsy - there would be more extreme events in the last 5 imo

you previous post is right though but all that needs to be paid for - easiest way is a simple tax but i'll take an ETS instead

you know it makes sense

Thebas - big coal is way too powerful

Womble and co, I actually agree with reducing the carbon emissions but for the life of me.....a world wide growing population and continued use of fossil fuels will see the ETS as nothing but a bankers picnic Zero Benefit...Sending obscene tranches of $$$ overseas to African farmers (as 1 example) with a few trees on his plot (less bankers fee of course) is just useless and will never ever reduce anything....HOWEWVER sustained use of any emerging technologies WILL do the job IF the price is right....you don't pay in advance for something that hasn't been invented yet...
The rort must be stopped....(unless of course you live inner city, have no life, bitter on the world for having fun,no car,sip lattes and of course come home from work and sip said latte whilst watching your banking stocks rise a point or two )

like i keep telling you guys - alternatives need to be paid for.  If we want poor countries not to benefit like we have from dirty power we need to compensate them

it's just the way it is

read the papers Secong  - it's not 100 year floods at the moment in parts of the country but 100 year droughts

what caused the ice age?....surely the dinosaurs weren't polluting the atmosphere with there monster shyts

wombleoz
they deserve compensation imo

... why do they 'deserve' compsensation over and above the foreign aid currently being provided ?

if the UN destroy the economies of the developed world by attacking & claiming their sovereign wealth might'n the amount of foreign aid dwindle as there is only so much money in the pot (unless of course you believe that irrepsonsible controllers of countries should continue to borrow money to run their so called "it's all cream" economies)

the US are bankrupt & Europe are bankrupt so where is this cream ffs  ????? 

emerging countries like china & india are well positioned financially to have their economies surge past the western world in the next 20 years

if just once you suggested the 'causers' of global financial breakdowns and the 'horders' of interest payments from govt largesse & uncotrolled borrowing should chip in ... ie the filthy rorting accumulating banking cartels ... then i could agree with you

but no .. the suggestion coming is that soereign countries should take the money from the citizens (ie revenue) and give it to the UN

we know where the money is ... it aint with the citizens or the sovereign countries

so think about it ... and who again should 'chip in' ... to those you believe 'deserve it'  ?


and the ETS .. the BIGGEST FILTHIEST MOST DISHONEST FAKE FOR THE ENVIRONEMENT SCHEME ever thought up (dwarves the Ponzi's) 

and who is positioned to profit most from an ETS ... citizens NO ... countries NO ... but pat yourself on the back if you said the global financial cartels (and a few junta presidents of course & their immediate families only - in the 3rd world)

last 5 years have been the hottest on average ever Megsy

Thebas - we've reaped the advantages of raping the planet, those that won't get those same benefits deserve compensation imo

Our major trading partners agree climate change is real and needs urgent action. Where is Australia

Welcome to the world Abbott you coal loving fossil fuel loving fking dinosaur,although I'm sure you loving fossil fuel burning companies money


FACT SHEET: U.S.-China Joint Announcement on Climate Change and Clean Energy Cooperation

President Obama Announces Ambitious 2025 Target to Cut U.S. Climate Pollution by 26-28 Percent from 2005 Levels

Building on strong progress during the first six years of the Administration, today President Obama announced a new target to cut net greenhouse gas emissions 26-28 percent below 2005 levels by 2025.  At the same time, President Xi Jinping of China announced targets to peak CO2 emissions around 2030, with the intention to try to peak early, and to increase the non-fossil fuel share of all energy to around 20 percent by 2030.

Together, the U.S. and China account for over one third of global greenhouse gas emissions.  Today’s joint announcement, the culmination of months of bilateral dialogue, highlights the critical role the two countries must play in addressing climate change.  The actions they announced are part of the longer range effort to achieve the deep decarbonization of the global economy over time.  These actions will also inject momentum into the global climate negotiations on the road to reaching a successful new climate agreement next year in Paris.

The new U.S. goal will double the pace of carbon pollution reduction from 1.2 percent per year on average during the 2005-2020 period to 2.3-2.8 percent per year on average between 2020 and 2025.  This ambitious target is grounded in intensive analysis of cost-effective carbon pollution reductions achievable under existing law and will keep the United States on the right trajectory to achieve deep economy-wide reductions on the order of 80 percent by 2050.

The Administration’s steady efforts to reduce emissions will deliver ever-larger carbon pollution reductions, public health improvements and consumer savings over time and provide a firm foundation to meet the new U.S. target.

The United States will submit its 2025 target to the Framework Convention on Climate Change as an “Intended Nationally Determined Contribution” no later than the first quarter of 2015.

The joint announcement marks the first time China has agreed to peak its CO2 emissions. The United States expects that China will succeed in peaking its emissions before 2030 based on its broad economic reform program, plans to address air pollution, and implementation of President Xi’s call for an energy revolution.

China’s target to expand total energy consumption coming from zero-emission sources to around 20 percent by 2030 is notable. It will require China to deploy an additional 800-1,000 gigawatts of nuclear, wind, solar and other zero emission generation capacity by 2030 – more than all the coal-fired power plants that exist in China today and close to total current electricity generation capacity in the United States.   

Building on Progress

In 2009, U.S. greenhouse gas emissions were projected to continue increasing indefinitely, but President Obama set an ambitious goal to cut emissions in the range of 17 percent below 2005 levels in 2020.  Throughout the first term, the Administration took strong actions to cut carbon pollution, including investing more than $80 billion in clean energy technologies under the recovery program, establishing historic fuel economy standards, doubling solar and wind electricity, and implementing ambitious energy efficiency measures.

Early in his second term, President Obama launched an ambitious Climate Action Plan focused on cutting carbon pollution, preparing the nation for climate impacts, and leading internationally.  In addition to bolstering first-term efforts to ramp up renewable energy and efficiency, the Plan is cutting carbon pollution through new measures, including:
Etc etc

classic  ... anti-carbon-tax campaigners ... (you must mean the electorate ... when speaking their voice at the recent federal election

now

At the same time, President Xi Jinping of China announced targets to peak CO2 emissions around 2030, with the intention to try to peak early, and to increase the non-fossil fuel share of all energy to around 20 percent by 2030.

... for China to announce that their 15 year plan is to PEAK their greenhouse emmissions by 2030 is admirable

australia should revisit it again in 2030 also

but in the meantime Australia already have an emissions reduction plan in place ...

a 5% emission reduction target ... the same today as the previous govt
(who were going to achieve their target even though granting Gina a brand new coal mine at Alpha Qld


its good to see China & the USA are joining australia in participating in attempting reductions