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21 Mar 21 17:27
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Plain Very Poor Line up  , at least if Tiger had ran would have been a bit of interest
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Report sixtwosix March 21, 2021 6:13 PM GMT
A desperately poor fishing expedition .....

The cast list at this time includes ...

3 Times Betfair chase winner
Hennessy winner
Placed in Gold Cup and Grand National
Warwick National winner
Irish Grand National winner
Grand National runner up
Troytown chase winner times two
Becher chase winner

What were you expecting for a long distance handicap chase , a guineas runner up , St Leger contender......... Laugh
Report casemoney March 21, 2021 10:43 PM GMT
3 Times Betfair chase winner  Will it run ?

Same with the rest how many will line Up ?
Report casemoney March 21, 2021 10:46 PM GMT
As for the Warwick National only winner to win the National was Arthur ,Unless of course Kandy can do the same
Report casemoney March 21, 2021 10:49 PM GMT
I make ur 1st and  3rd stated  ew Bets Grin
Report casemoney March 22, 2021 1:25 AM GMT
There look to be 60 orses entered Have little or no chance , I am surprised at how many of the Irish have spent a lot of the Time being campaigned over 2 1/2 miles  ,Years back was a theory because of pace of national 2 1/2 miler could be able to get the trip ,I am still awaiting that to happen ,Might be a long wait Happy
Report Bindaree March 22, 2021 4:44 PM GMT
A lot are still waiting for a 7 yr old to win or should I say to be competitive.
Report 1st time poster March 29, 2021 3:35 PM BST
think classified  might lay the 2 mile 4 bogey this year Laugh
Report Chaplins Club April 6, 2021 11:00 AM BST
He's casing the joint.
Report spyker April 8, 2021 12:18 AM BST
Funny, I was thinking that pre 15 odd years ago the bottom weight off something like 145 would have been the top weight shows just how much  better class it is than it's so called heyday (when it was actually on its arse until rr came along).
Report irishone April 8, 2021 6:20 AM BST
There is a horse in the race that has jumped the course, getting on a bit in years but is far far classier than anything written above. Ex gigginstown passed thru cullentra and went to Henry .Anyone at Galway Festivak in 2018 will know who I am on about. The horse has been transferred back to U K to win a "National" . Its weight is incredible. It finished 5th in a Galway Plate over 23 furlongs on the Wednesday and came back on the Sunday and won over the same trip. Only ever carried less than eleven stone in an irish jumps race once, last years plate,  last two runs on heavy needs good,  his best day is not behind him ! Now do your research , it will be worth it .
Report layingisthewayforward April 8, 2021 11:31 PM BST
Balko Des Flos?
Report dukeofpuke April 9, 2021 2:16 AM BST
Yala Enki        11-3
Ballyoptic       11-1
Burrows Saint   10-13
Accapella Burgois 10-12
Takingrisks      10-7
Potters Corner   10-6
Cloth Cap        10-5
Secret Reprieve  10-1

Another thread on here has picked out these,its a good read and makes sense,but the last on list is a reserve so unlikely to run
Report Bindaree April 9, 2021 9:59 AM BST
Think the answer to Irishone is Sub Lieutenant. Not quite sure how you hit on Balko Des Flos.
Report 1st time poster April 9, 2021 10:58 AM BST
ben litefoot,s recent 10 yr trends for spoirtinlife put up
cloth cap
kimberlite candy
potters corner
Report paulo47 April 9, 2021 12:28 PM BST
I like him normally , but read his preview that ' dont know a horse that mixes hurdling and chasing at this level ' , obviously unforgivably forgot Pineau De Re , stopped reading .
Report layingisthewayforward April 9, 2021 9:27 PM BST
UserBindaree • April 9, 2021 9:59 AM BST
Think the answer to Irishone is Sub Lieutenant. Not quite sure how you hit on Balko Des Flos.

Ex gigginstown and went to Henry.. I must have stopped reading at this point. Sub lieutenant isnt in the race???
Report Bindaree April 10, 2021 11:58 AM BST
He is in my paper
Report Bindaree April 10, 2021 6:14 PM BST
Well done MT but what shocking coverage by ITV. Absolute amateurs, fav pulls up lying second and they haven't shown it or did I miss something.
Report dukeofpuke April 10, 2021 10:45 PM BST

Apr 9, 2021 -- 9:27PM, layingisthewayforward wrote:

UserBindaree • April 9, 2021 9:59 AM BSTThink the answer to Irishone is Sub Lieutenant. Not quite sure how you hit on Balko Des Flos.Ex gigginstown and went to Henry.. I must have stopped reading at this point. Sub lieutenant isnt in the race???

Sub Lieutenant finished 14th 122 lengths behind 50-1

Report casemoney April 4, 2022 1:38 PM BST
Dreadful line up this Year Shocked
Report casemoney April 4, 2022 1:42 PM BST
Looking back on some of the Previous nationals of yesteryear and looking at this mob Laugh

Add the revamped course , The race is not what it was
Report 1st time poster April 4, 2022 1:52 PM BST
if it was the race it was tiger roll wouldnt have won it twice, and called a legend ,you cant have it both ways
Report sageform April 4, 2022 8:11 PM BST
No Gold Cup placed horses in there but super competitive.
Report sageform April 4, 2022 8:17 PM BST
Some of the winners in the sixties and seventies would be lapped on Saturday. I know it is more like a park course now but it still has to be jumped and 39 other horses avoided.
Report Bindaree April 4, 2022 9:51 PM BST
Just had a quick look and Tiger Roll in 2018 was slower than the majority of winners in the 60s and 70s and the race was approx 100 metres longer
Report nocturnal April 4, 2022 11:08 PM BST
On ground described as "Heavy" Bindaree,but your point is worth noting.

2012 was the last 4m 4f race to my knowledge.

Neptune carried 11-06 and won in 9m 5.10 secs off OR 157.

Since reduced to 4m 2f,only 3 winners have beaten that time,that to me in itself is remarkable.

Everything we may have read,or about to read,about this course becoming easier,is not reflected on the clock.

If anything,it suggests the exact opposite,the course is now tougher in terms of times recorded.

If training regimes and the breed are that much healthier than days gone by .... Why are they slower?

This nonsense regurgitated by clerks of courses about safe ground all over the country beggars belief.

Has anyone read one line in the last 10 years stating the National is now harder than days gone by?

"GD/SFT".... may sit well with many,In my humble opinion it's a recipe for disaster.
Report sixtwosix April 5, 2022 1:39 PM BST
The stat that is gaining some merit the longer it goes on is you have to go back to Mon Mome for a horse who did not win the race at it's first attempt (Tiger Roll of course did this and the following year ... so let's Minella Times in ,apart from having zero chance under top weight),

This knocks out eight and the two 7 year olds ......only 30 left to look at thenCool

For me it is Enjoy D'Allen , Fiddlerontheroof and Escaria Ten .
Report CLYDEBANK29 April 5, 2022 7:40 PM BST
It's hardly the worst.  There used to be around 10-15 horses in the hcap proper in the late 80s when I first started betting.  Had a few that were 2 stone out of it iirc.  Rough Quest's year there were summat like 30 runners.
Report Bindaree April 6, 2022 10:06 AM BST
My post regarding times was just a flippant remark and not intended as an in depth comment. However for a more detailed analysis for anyone interested Simon Rowlands has posted a blog on the Attheraces website dealing with the subject. I found it interesting and probably Steve Davis would as well Laugh
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