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seeyouatmidnight captain redbeard ucello conti final nudge houblon des obeaux vieux lion rouge always a horse the public lump on as the race approaches and imo ucello conti may well be the one. Liverpool had a boxing champion back in the day called john conteh? slightly different spelling but sounds the same . will the public latch on? good luck everyone. ![]() |
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See no reason to change my selections so The Dutchman win and Milansbar place are my final choices. Harry Cobden showed yesterday how well he rides the track so it is down to the horse being good enough.
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absolutely no value now @ 28
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Raz de Maree
Chase the Spud The Dutchman Ucello Conti I Just Know Captain Redbeard If one of those wins I will be happy !! |
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Seeyouatmidnight
Final Nudge Thunder And Roses Double Ross Shantou Flyer Milansbar |
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Congrats all winners
Good few tipped up tiger roll.... Well done |
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Can Walk in the Mill get a high enough rating to make the cut?
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Currently on 145. Will very probably be rated higher (maybe 149?) for the race, given a good win over the fences. So, unless Walford runs him again over fences before the weights are out, more likely to be in the top half of the draw than balloted out imho.
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Vintage Clouds
Walk In The Mill General Principle Tiger Roll Dounikos Rock The Kasbah |
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Rathvinden
Anibale Fly Tiger Roll Step Back Joe Farrell Ballyoptic |
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Walk in the Mill
Mall Dini Minella Rocco Tea For Two Anibale Fly Pleasant Company |
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Tea For Two
Lake View Lad Vintage Clouds Simglefarmpayment Magic Of Light Rock The Kasbah |
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Mall Dini
Step Back Tea For Two Ballyoptic Ramses De Teilee Vieux Lion Rouge |
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Tiger Roll
Lake View Lad Vintage Cloud |
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Tiger Roll and Pleasant Company (two from last year)
Vintage Clouds (Cheltenham Trial) Rathvinden (Mullins' big race double) Anibale Fly (Gold Cup form/hard race) Elegant Escape (scratched) |
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3 for me
Rock The Kasbah Pleasant Company Mall Dini |
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valseur lido
jury duty vintage clouds general priciple folsom blue |
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My main choice is Lake View Lad but after that (ignoring value) I would put Tiger Roll, Vintage Clouds and Rock The Casbah. Long shots are Walk in the Mill and Go Conquer.
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Dounikos
Jury Duty Anibale Fly Tiger Roll PairofBrownEyes LakeViewLad |
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Vintage Clouds
Rathvinden Tea for Two Jury Duty shortlist of 6? I only need 4 |
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Pairofbrowneyes
Pleasant Company Mall Dini Dounikos Walk In The Mill Vintage Clouds Really looking forward to the race, gl all. |
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Tea for Two is an interesting one. He was just making ground when getting rid of Lizzie in the X country at Cheltenham. Not sure his jumping is good enough but certainly one of the best handicapped in the race.
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rathvinden
Vintage clouds Lake view lad Walk in the mill Jury duty Pleasant company |
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In no particular order
Dounikos Singlefarmpayment General Principle Vintage Clouds Walk in the Mill Vieux Lion Rouge |
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Just the 3 for me:
Jury Duty Dounikos Walk In The Mill |
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My six against the field are:
Vintage Clouds (gut feeling) Rock The Kasbah (Clash fan) Anibale Flyer (Gaffer's sweeper pick - she has been exceptionally jammy over the years) Step Back (form better than Rock The Kasbah) One For Arthur (Lucinda Russell has been lucky for me in the past). Minella Rocco (Named after Rollerball's wife!) |
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I watched WALK IN THE MILL win last year's Becher and apart from getting in too close to one fence, he jumped like a stag and ran on so well for pressure over the last 2 that I'm led to believe that he might be even better over this distance. 10st4 is a perfect weight for his regular pilot, James Best and I'm very grateful to those of you who laid me 36-1 only yesterday!
Joe Farrell, General Principle, Vintage Clouds, Step Back and Jury Duty would make up my 6 Tiger Roll, imo, will have to be a superhorse to win off of 11st5, having run at Cheltenham and couldn't have me at the price. |
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^ pretty sure you'd have to acknowledge that Tiger Roll's wining achievements to date, prove that he's a super horse !!
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Vintage Clouds
Rathvinden Rock The Kasbah Lake View Lad Singlefarmpayment Ramses De Teillee |
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Here's a couple of facts for you FACTS, there were 16 runners in this years Gold Cup and 13 of them are rated higher than Tiger Roll, Gordon Elliott was just asked about Tiger Roll's chances in the GN and he replied, "If he wins it he'll be very special", which is more or less what I'm saying. He's very good but he's not great yet!
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The time today wasn't too bad, suggests it will be at least good to soft and maybe even good b race time tomorrow. In the conditions I can't see past Rathvinden winning this. If the ground was soft there would be dangers at the bottom of the handicap.
Rathvinden Monbeg Notorious and that's probably about it. |
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Horses can be rated what they like in the Gold Cup. This is a totally different race. I'm sure there were many higher rated than Red Rum. |
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There will always be dangers near the bottom of the handicap if the bottom is 10st or near it as opposed to the limited handicap that Phil Smith somehow managed to contrive in his attempts to appease the wealthy owners and take centre stage himself.
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My 4
Joe Farrell Vintage Clouds Monbeg Notorious Noble Endeavor |
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ok FACTS, maybe you don't understand the rating system. The ratings that the horses had in the Gold Cup would apply to all handicaps, including the Grand National! I think you are a little ahead of yourself if by using Red Rum as an example, you are suggesting that Tiger Roll is the 2nd coming. however, if you want to use Red Rum as an example, even he couldn't give weight to a Gold Cup winner in L'Escargot who beat him 15l in 1975. Anyway, if you're backing Tiger Roll, good luck. All I'm saying is that he is far too short in a 40 runner handicap and I believe that there is better value elsewhere.
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I've been seriously backing horses for profit for over 40 years, so yes, I understand ratings !!!!
I only bet in Handicaps, I don't believe Tiger Roll is the seconded coming . But he is one of those horses that could be classed as a ' freak ' so a 2nd GN is very possible. I agree at the current price he's no value, which is why I backed him in February at double odds. You'll see on this thread my other 2 selections. Good luck driver ![]() |
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tiger roll,rathvinden,lake view lad,ramsess de teilles,ballyoptic,singlefarmpayment.
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Tiger Roll
Anibale Fly Lake View Lad Rathvinden Vintage Clouds Joe Farrel |
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It's official
Tiger Roll is a great horse ![]() ![]() |