many clouds

His price reflects his chance he should be bigger than that really.

has the class jasey but i don't think the ground has gone his way, personally fancy the druids nephew but after being at the hennessy thought id had a small saver on him just in case

He ain't got enough class to win off his weight.Better horses than MC have failed.

gonna show my age now but i cried when alverton won the gold cup and was then killed in the national

Me too ghostlygunner. How old was you? I was 10.

Same as you two....I was 21 but still cried like a baby.Dark Ivy just as bad

Alverton was a superstar .....I still recall poor old Grey Sombrero matching Crisp until the Chair in 73

I was 9 and remember seeing poor Alverton twitching. My dad backed Rubstick that year but he refused to celebrate. There was other carnage in that race as well with loose horses causing a pile-up.

Yeah ground + weight makes it much harder... but is a Hennessey winner so should respect that...

but gut feeling is they should wait next year really...

I backed this antepost at 33/1 before the gold cup when there was a massive doubt about him turning up.   Got 33/1.

Now a confirmed runner and day of race.... 40/1

Classy horse ,  well there is the Gold Cup until coming down the hill , Hennessey form is always a plus here ....think he will place at least.

Yes 626 there are positives, remember he actually finished ahead of Silviniaco Conti in the gold cup, and that one didn't run too bad on Thursday!!

Although Conti ran at least a stone of his best at Cheltenham

but still think the druids nephew might have won

well done Ghostly.
I was wrong,thats one of the best performances by a horse i have seen.
well done hope you filled your boots.

WD!

Excellent stuff. Well done. Class horse.

Got some 33's ew andwhatever the BSP is

I too think The Druid's Nephew would have won , his jockey was pressing on 6 fences out so must have had a lot of horse under him.
Reminded me of David's Lad hacking up and falling bringing down Ad Hoc also cruising back in  the day.

jasey's had a 'mare there, trying to put someone off a 60/1 shot 

well done mate

getting easier this race now

Apr 11, 2015 -- 11:37AM, duncan idaho wrote:

jasey's had a 'mare there, trying to put someone off a 60/1 shot 

As he was first on to conragulate he comes out OK on the thread imo

cheers jersey unfortunately i didn't get tempted in again at the bigger price but i ve had a **** week and I'm just happy to nick a few quid , i fancied the druids nephew more and still think it might have won

Reminded me of David's Lad hacking up and falling bringing down Ad Hoc also cruising back in  the day. - Crikey i had forgotten about Ad Hoc

Well done MC backers, i thought it may have peaked to early in the season. He is a tough tough horse.

I do not mind being wrong its about opinions,healthy debate.
Not wanted to put anyone off just giving my opinion.
Well done again ghostly.

Yep.good call

No criticism of an incorrect opinion , rather have that than either fence sitting or after timing.

A great training performance, a full 11lb higher than his Hennessy win.

Where do you go with the horse now? I suppose it can only be the Gold Cup (doubts still remain, but perhaps another year on might eek out some more improvement) and perhaps after trying to retain the Hennessy off top weight?

How anyone can say a horse would have won but for falling 6 out is beyond me

don't you know the records of GN winners once  they win it , regarding future races  ???

Apr 11, 2015 -- 3:58PM, CheltenhamRoar wrote:

How anyone can say a horse would have won but for falling 6 out is beyond me

Totally agree.

This is the best post of the night for me:

"I too think The Druid's Nephew would have won , his jockey was pressing on 6 fences out so must have had a lot of horse under him"

LMFAO.

Shutthefrontdoor was cantering 1 out and look what happened him

it's nice to have a GN winner with a decent chance of winning another race, it's hard to believe but the last winner to win another race after the GN is Bindaree in 2002

blooby

and bindaree was also the last 8 year old to win it ,  before that the last 8 yo was party politics 1992

Grand National & Hennessey in one season .......hardly a problem if he never wins again.

can you imagine the handicap if Many Clouds comes back next year? sure to get at least 7lb more next year, lots will be running out of the handicap!

Good , Goonyella will be carrying 10 0

Think a 4 week break between Chelt and Aintree made a difference... and class did prevail...

Well done Ghostly - great tipping there.

Many Clouds is one class horse.On good ground he may of been the Gold Cup winner not Holywell or RTR.

just seen Oliver Sherwoods interview on At The Races Website and he says Many Clouds will almost certainly aimed at the Grand National and not the Gold Cup next year because he can only carry   1 lb  more next year . what does he mean ,why will he not get a 7 lb penalty ?

What he means is he carried 11st 9lbs yesterday and even if top weight next year he can only carry 11st 10lb

can horses not carry 12 stone like RED RUM  did nowadays ? .  is 11-10 the maximum they can carry ?

Many Clouds mark will go up for normal handicaps and races.
In the GN the handicapper can give any horse entered whatever mark he likes.
His new rating may be given as 170 say but next year the handicapper can run him off a mark of 163 or lower if he wants.
A term called compressing of the handicap,the sole aim is classy horses winning the GN.
Goonyella for example could still be out the handicap next year depending on what horses enter.

Huge prize money and a virtual top weight winning this year,we could see horse like Conti Holywell Djakadam RTR running off marks of up to 10 spots lower than official rating.

if Many Clouds only has to carry 1 lb next year he has to be backed

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Great performance from Many Clouds but I still believe overall the lower weighted horses still have an advantage given the 2nd 3rd 4th and 6th were all under. I think the difference this year is that apart from The Druids Nephew (who knows where he would have finished) there was a lack of class amongst the horses under 11 stone this year. There should be some very classy horses under 11 stone next year if Many Clouds turns up again and should be very interesting.

A horse like Houblon Des Obeaux would be very well suited by the race and is a great bet for next year if being aimed at it.

the handicapper has already said he will be going up 7 lb so is aready 6 lb well in for next year and if he were to win a race or two before next years national which he could well do as there is no need to protect his handicap mark he could be 13 lb well in by next April .

He won't be 6lb well in just that he can only physically carry 1lb more in actual weight but the higher rating will still mean the others carry less so you may get grade 2/3 horses such as houblon carrying 11 stone or under which didn't happen this year.

Is Barry on the wind up? he must be.

back to basics for Bazza 

GoldCupWinner
12 Apr 15 15:54

There should be some very classy horses under 11 stone next year if Many Clouds turns up again and should be very interesting.


Yeah, like most of the field..of course more chance of under 11 stone winning if only handful 11 stone or above...hardly an 'edge'

Still 10/1 and 5places with slybet, very hard to see him out of the frame in the National. Todays warm up was effortless and winged every fence. Can see him being 5 or 6/1 come national day.

Imagine 3 National wins in a row for Aspell, ohhhh errrrrr!

I really do think that we have the new Red Rum in our grasp here with Many Clouds.
Although he has more size to him, but the guts, stamina and fencing seem similar.
The GN was an afterthought last year, not this year, he will be primed.
You would have expected the Gold Cup to have left it's mark last year, so how much more has Many Clouds got to offer when primed?
I like Silviniaco Conti but i don't see him as a thorough thorough stayer like Many Clouds and i get the impression any horse that gets to the withers of Many Clouds will have to really fight to get past, MC looked like he was pulling away again on the line lat year.
Struggle to find a horse to out stamina MC, perhaps The Last Samuri.

read lightly anything on the national ..last year the winner was too young ran a real race to win and beat another good one in the horse ran second .,,,,   SAINT ARE  ,,, never going to catch.... one cloud ...never mind many clouds .. your cash goes up and down over plenty fences and a bit of a lottery .. horses fall all around . jocks fall off .  many clouds with a clear run out of trouble looks the real deal .. and still kicking myself for not Betting it last year and watched it do the real Business .. love the colours as well he carries .. good luck again ..MANY CLOUDS ........................