cause of causes

It's being backed as if it is.

No idea but my thoughts would be he should run. With the Elliott / JP connection I imagine Carberry could ride him - assuming McCoy goes for Shutthefrontdoor.

far too young to win a grand national  . you have to back 75 years in 1940 for last 7 year old victory .

undecided last i heard

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/plan-for-cause-of-causes-not-yet-decided-1.2150208

He has the profile of a much older horse,dangerous to write him off.

Agree with you Jasey. Cause of Causes has had 11 career chase starts. While this is slightly less than recent Grand National winners (Pineau De Re - 14, Ballabriggs - 12, Don't Push It - 12, Comply Or Die - 14) you couldn't say he's lacking the required experience.

Also it's not as if he's been running in 5 runner novice chases in those 11 chases. He was second in a Paddy Power Chase, second in the Kim Muir and won the four miler at Cheltenham. He was also classy enough to be beaten a short head in a Galway Hurdle.

Every time he's stepped up in trip, he's improved. He should have won the Paddy Power Chase but he got stuck about five wide and made a bad mistake at the second last. He won the 4-miler at Cheltenham like it was 2 mile race - sprinting clear up the hill having travelled on the bridle all the way. There was loads left and to be honest I was quite surprised to see the handicapper leave his OR unchanged at 146 - what he runs off in the GN.

I wouldn't let age put me off this horse. The last few winners haven't exactly had progressive profiles but perhaps that is the type of horse we should be looking for in what looks a fairly strong renewal.

Only thing for me is his running style not that keen on horses that are dropped out at the back in this race.
AP picks the wrong horse in his final GN would be a story.

Apr 5, 2015 -- 5:51AM, jasey wrote:

Only thing for me is his running style not that keen on horses that are dropped out at the back in this race.AP picks the wrong horse in his final GN would be a story.

Think you need to be at least mid division for the first circuit and then creep into it, going out into the country.

That's how I'd do it anyway....

It would be ironic if he wins after all the media will obsess with one jockey & horse in the buildup.

Will CoC get into this year's contest, 10 ahead have been scratched today?

He'll be 56 on the list, unless Double Seven happens to win well at Fairyhouse and gets raised more than CoC, but surely unlikely D7 would take in both. I'm a wee bit ignorant of when horses get raised, so someone better educated might be aware if CoC already has a new rating. Regardless, I'd be amazed if he's not the highest rated of those on 10-01 come the 48hrs Decs.

A normal year would see him get in at this stage, but it looks tight. The key could be Gigginstown, who have a few above him, but they don't normally swamp this race, and have never had more than 1 runner in it.

I've bet him, but I'm not confident of him making it.

Fabulous

I hope so too - JP and Gig do have a few between them ahead of CoC - but 16 is a fairly tall order to hope for though.

16 to come out seems a lot but i'd be surprised if he doesnt make it. Hope so anyway, on at 50/1.

money back if hes ballotted out anyway

The Irish National on 28th March will knock a few above him out too.

Declared for the IGN on Monday.

..... and now drifting on the GN market.

He's carrying top weight with owner's jockey on board (BG) and trainer has 7 other runners. Will it turn out again just 11 days after winning at Cheltenham? If so, is it because connections think he is very unlikely to make the cut for the English national, merely to hold up the weights for the trainer's other fancied runners particularly Mala Beach (DR) and Bless The Wings (RW), prep race for the English Grand National EGN)/place money - the trainer's other runners are Killer Crow, Captain Von Trappe, Unic De Bersy, Riverside City and Definite Ruby.

With so many runners doubly entered I do not think connections will pre-empt a decision for the EGN still with two weeks to go but I could be wrong, and not for the 1st or final time.

In a podcast with BoyleSport the participation of Cause of Causes in the Irish National is not a given yet, but I do not know when this podcast took place though.

I think connections know very unlikely to make cut at Aintree so nothing to lose by running in Ireland

Looking grim, the only comfort for backers is money back if balloted out it seems otherwise could be a mega betting proposition.

Disaster. Got him at 50's in december and 33's after Cheltenham. Can't help but think even if he is unlikely to get in it's worth taking the chance on a well handicapped horse who was a running on 8th last year as a 7 year old.

It is the Grand National after all and McManus has only won it once.

He is carrying top weight and currently 5th fav, with 7 other stablemates one of which is co fav of 3; should he win the Irish one then unlikely he'll run here. But with the ground likely to be soft/heavy and top weight winning is very unlikely; if so, very possibly the English race could be the ultimate objective despite the huge discrepancy in prices here and on-street bookies.  Who knows there could be a final twist in this yet - he could be withdrawn before the race.

As long as it is not taken out before final 40 are declared/confirmation money back anyway.

Not sure why hes running it so soon after Cheltenham, anyway?

and there he goes

withdrawn at fairyhouse

Crafty and unprofessional but good for those with GN vouchers though.

I forgot to add I hope he's sound and not otherwise.

Now, a chance required to prove it in the Grand National, that is all!

Some will have done very nicely from the 180 into 24 on here and the weights at Fairyhouse.  Doesn't exactly enhance racing's reputation though does it?

Only way he gets in the national is if JP pays off a few of the connections of the horses above. Very hard to see enough dropping out for him to get a run, but i really hope he does

no 72

Post Irish national I think it's 56 now.

Hope they get ficked like County Hurdle horse that was balloted out.

With only 9 horses scratched after today - 7 affecting CoC directly ie CoC still needs 10 to drop out - I think it is unlikely CoC will make the cut unless the owner/trainer get a massive help from their counterparts in the National.

odds on here indicating about a 50/50 chance of getting in?!

this is why "society" is f@cked

the vast majority are complete morons