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layingisthewayforward
15 Mar 15 18:07
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Anywon know if he's an intended runner ? Ta
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Report Rydal March 16, 2015 8:03 AM GMT
It's being backed as if it is.
Report SoYouThink March 16, 2015 6:27 PM GMT
No idea but my thoughts would be he should run. With the Elliott / JP connection I imagine Carberry could ride him - assuming McCoy goes for Shutthefrontdoor.
Report barry rico March 25, 2015 4:12 PM GMT
far too young to win a grand national  . you have to back 75 years in 1940 for last 7 year old victory .
Report GI MAC March 25, 2015 5:43 PM GMT
undecided last i heard

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/racing/plan-for-cause-of-causes-not-yet-decided-1.2150208
Report jasey March 25, 2015 7:05 PM GMT
He has the profile of a much older horse,dangerous to write him off.
Report SoYouThink April 5, 2015 11:13 AM BST
Agree with you Jasey. Cause of Causes has had 11 career chase starts. While this is slightly less than recent Grand National winners (Pineau De Re - 14, Ballabriggs - 12, Don't Push It - 12, Comply Or Die - 14) you couldn't say he's lacking the required experience.

Also it's not as if he's been running in 5 runner novice chases in those 11 chases. He was second in a Paddy Power Chase, second in the Kim Muir and won the four miler at Cheltenham. He was also classy enough to be beaten a short head in a Galway Hurdle.

Every time he's stepped up in trip, he's improved. He should have won the Paddy Power Chase but he got stuck about five wide and made a bad mistake at the second last. He won the 4-miler at Cheltenham like it was 2 mile race - sprinting clear up the hill having travelled on the bridle all the way. There was loads left and to be honest I was quite surprised to see the handicapper leave his OR unchanged at 146 - what he runs off in the GN.

I wouldn't let age put me off this horse. The last few winners haven't exactly had progressive profiles but perhaps that is the type of horse we should be looking for in what looks a fairly strong renewal.
Report jasey April 5, 2015 11:51 AM BST
Only thing for me is his running style not that keen on horses that are dropped out at the back in this race.
AP picks the wrong horse in his final GN would be a story.
Report Somerset Sam April 5, 2015 11:55 AM BST

Apr 5, 2015 -- 5:51AM, jasey wrote:


Only thing for me is his running style not that keen on horses that are dropped out at the back in this race.AP picks the wrong horse in his final GN would be a story.


Think you need to be at least mid division for the first circuit and then creep into it, going out into the country.

That's how I'd do it anyway....Grin

Report sixtwosix April 5, 2015 6:05 PM BST
It would be ironic if he wins after all the media will obsess with one jockey & horse in the buildup.
Report impossible123 March 22, 2016 2:49 PM GMT
Will CoC get into this year's contest, 10 ahead have been scratched today?
Report Fabulous March 22, 2016 3:16 PM GMT
He'll be 56 on the list, unless Double Seven happens to win well at Fairyhouse and gets raised more than CoC, but surely unlikely D7 would take in both. I'm a wee bit ignorant of when horses get raised, so someone better educated might be aware if CoC already has a new rating. Regardless, I'd be amazed if he's not the highest rated of those on 10-01 come the 48hrs Decs.

A normal year would see him get in at this stage, but it looks tight. The key could be Gigginstown, who have a few above him, but they don't normally swamp this race, and have never had more than 1 runner in it.

I've bet him, but I'm not confident of him making it.
Report impossible123 March 22, 2016 3:53 PM GMT
Fabulous

I hope so too - JP and Gig do have a few between them ahead of CoC - but 16 is a fairly tall order to hope for though.
Report kelami March 22, 2016 4:28 PM GMT
16 to come out seems a lot but i'd be surprised if he doesnt make it. Hope so anyway, on at 50/1.
Report kavvie March 22, 2016 6:27 PM GMT
money back if hes ballotted out anyway
Report impossible123 March 22, 2016 7:01 PM GMT
The Irish National on 28th March will knock a few above him out too.
Report Rydal March 25, 2016 11:16 AM GMT
Declared for the IGN on Monday.
Report Rydal March 25, 2016 12:03 PM GMT
..... and now drifting on the GN market.
Report impossible123 March 25, 2016 4:59 PM GMT
He's carrying top weight with owner's jockey on board (BG) and trainer has 7 other runners. Will it turn out again just 11 days after winning at Cheltenham? If so, is it because connections think he is very unlikely to make the cut for the English national, merely to hold up the weights for the trainer's other fancied runners particularly Mala Beach (DR) and Bless The Wings (RW), prep race for the English Grand National EGN)/place money - the trainer's other runners are Killer Crow, Captain Von Trappe, Unic De Bersy, Riverside City and Definite Ruby.

With so many runners doubly entered I do not think connections will pre-empt a decision for the EGN still with two weeks to go but I could be wrong, and not for the 1st or final time.
Report impossible123 March 25, 2016 8:02 PM GMT
In a podcast with BoyleSport the participation of Cause of Causes in the Irish National is not a given yet, but I do not know when this podcast took place though.
Report Sultan March 25, 2016 10:23 PM GMT
I think connections know very unlikely to make cut at Aintree so nothing to lose by running in Ireland
Report impossible123 March 26, 2016 11:09 AM GMT
Looking grim, the only comfort for backers is money back if balloted out it seems otherwise could be a mega betting proposition.
Report Shrewd_dude March 26, 2016 6:09 PM GMT
Disaster. Got him at 50's in december and 33's after Cheltenham. Can't help but think even if he is unlikely to get in it's worth taking the chance on a well handicapped horse who was a running on 8th last year as a 7 year old.

It is the Grand National after all and McManus has only won it once.
Report impossible123 March 26, 2016 7:34 PM GMT
He is carrying top weight and currently 5th fav, with 7 other stablemates one of which is co fav of 3; should he win the Irish one then unlikely he'll run here. But with the ground likely to be soft/heavy and top weight winning is very unlikely; if so, very possibly the English race could be the ultimate objective despite the huge discrepancy in prices here and on-street bookies.  Who knows there could be a final twist in this yet - he could be withdrawn before the race.
Report impossible123 March 26, 2016 7:42 PM GMT
As long as it is not taken out before final 40 are declared/confirmation money back anyway.
Report smartie3 March 27, 2016 12:39 PM BST
Not sure why hes running it so soon after Cheltenham, anyway?
Report smartie3 March 28, 2016 10:35 AM BST
and there he goes
Report The Dragon March 28, 2016 10:46 AM BST
withdrawn at fairyhouse
Report impossible123 March 28, 2016 10:59 AM BST
Crafty and unprofessional but good for those with GN vouchers though.
Report impossible123 March 28, 2016 11:15 AM BST
I forgot to add I hope he's sound and not otherwise.
Report impossible123 March 28, 2016 11:24 AM BST
Now, a chance required to prove it in the Grand National, that is all!
Report Fangsy March 28, 2016 11:26 AM BST
Some will have done very nicely from the 180 into 24 on here and the weights at Fairyhouse.  Doesn't exactly enhance racing's reputation though does it?
Report Mooono March 29, 2016 5:01 PM BST
Only way he gets in the national is if JP pays off a few of the connections of the horses above. Very hard to see enough dropping out for him to get a run, but i really hope he does
Report The Dragon March 29, 2016 7:53 PM BST
no 72
Report impossible123 March 29, 2016 8:40 PM BST
Post Irish national I think it's 56 now.
Report stevo1 March 29, 2016 9:15 PM BST
Hope they get ficked like County Hurdle horse that was balloted out.
Report impossible123 April 4, 2016 3:20 PM BST
With only 9 horses scratched after today - 7 affecting CoC directly ie CoC still needs 10 to drop out - I think it is unlikely CoC will make the cut unless the owner/trainer get a massive help from their counterparts in the National.
Report Charlton2005 April 6, 2016 3:09 PM BST
odds on here indicating about a 50/50 chance of getting in?!

this is why "society" is f@cked

the vast majority are complete morons
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