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Giles Cross eachway 20/1 for the National.
Giles Cross eachway 20/1 for the National.
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Re WER, at the grimthorpe meeting he was brought to the pre-parade for a few laps, just to show him off, where the owner told all who would listen that the horse would not be beaten at aintree. I can't really understand such confidence in this sort of race, and personally he's not for me.
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RP weekender 4/4 Alan King" With the grand national less than 2 weeks away I was delighted to be able to take
WEST END ROCKER down the road to work on the superb manton gallops thanks to Brian Meehan.It was good to get him away from his usual enviroment and he did a strong piece of work over a mile on the Polytrack on tuesday morning. I could not have been more pleased with him and he appears in grand form.It is now all systems go for Saturday week" |
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With the soft ground now, had to have a complete change of tack and GC will have to be part of the portfolio.
Added to Cappa Bleu that was done some time ago but will add West End Rocker and also Seabass ( to small stakes ). However with the conditions likely to remain soft if not worse looking at the forecast I think that 40s Le Beau Bai e/w is also a good bet. Like Synchronised he is far from a natural jumper so the fences may be a real issue but happy to take a chance at that price as he is one horse I would be confident to stay the distance in testing conditions. |
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Good luck with this one Sint. I'm keeping it a winner on your advice. Looks like everything's coming
together for youse. |
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i have called this horse a plodder,and also said he had no chance,but yesterday i took a bit of 25s.
in this game you always need an open mind |
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You're a clever chap jasey. 16s now. Did you know that?
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yes.how short will he go?
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Dunno. There's people suggesting Synch could be as tight as 4/1... which I personally think is mental.
Giles can only tighten so much if there are mountains of money for Synch. |
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RP 9/4 Trainer stated p.Brennan will ride GC and that he offered the ride to O'regan putting up overweight. O'regan said he didn't think it was the right thing to do due to him having to waist down
to 10/4 and then use a 1lb saddle so reluctantly declined the offer. Victor Dartnell " The horse is absolutely sparkling I've never had him like this before" |
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have lots of fancy prices as horse was bred and owned by my relation ,her other big winner was a mare called crumpet delight which won the saddle of gold mares final at newbury many years ago. good luck giles.
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Hope you are right Sint. I have this is my main selection, I will be backing several otehrs at bigger prices but of those at the head of the market this looks the one to be in for me.
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55s on here and 25s e/w Nr No Bet, on Giles Cross Brennan decent sub for Denis, so will look to lay little off and have few savers, Sunnyhillboy when confirmed and already on Becauseicouldntsee 33s and 40s on here, owes me from Cheltenham backed at 16s e/w, if getting over first half dozen fluently could run huge race from near the front imo.
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It doesnt stay so dont waste your money,on stats and breeding theres only 4 horses imo that come into it,will be posted tomorrow.
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Staying the distance is the one doubt I have. Im hoping a flatter track unlike Chepstow will see him get the trip.
I know the horse handles testing ground, but I personally wouldn't like it so testing to aid his stamina in the finish, but hopefully his lenient mark of 138 will help counter-act that. I am not an in-running trader but do remember several horses in the past going extremely well on the second circuit and being available to lay at 7/2 - 9/2 so it might be an idea to do that. I wont be however. Good luck Pete. WER is my other bet. |
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Giles Cross looked very classy at Haydock but I'd be a bit worried that Le Beau Bai was able to run him down in The Welsh National after he'd gone clear in the straight. He may be a classier horse than the winner that day, he may be better suited to a flat track but over 7 furlongs further the value has to be with Richard Lee's horse. There won't be much chance to get a breather here and you're going to have to stay to win.
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Neptune Collonges is handicapped to beat Giles Cross on their Haydock form. Available at 33-1 with bookies and 40 on here. If you fancy Giles Cross than you have to back Netune Collonges as well
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^my thinking too - very impressed with NC at Haydock - his jumping was fantastic and ran a massive race on the weekend when all the other Nicholls horses (except Zarkander) ran horribly.
Might also be a bit more juice in the price on basis Ruby prefers On His Own (which surprises me). |
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How is he handicapped to beat GC Sultan ?
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i thought neptune is worse off with giles
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Heavily backed again today. 14/1 the best you can now get. Come on Giles!
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sintonian
10 Apr 12 15:31 Joined: 21 Sep 04 | Topic/replies: 18,315 | Blogger: sintonian's blog How is he handicapped to beat GC Sultan ? he is n't sint (appreciate it was probably a rhetorical question) - in fact he's 12 lb worse off if you factor in Derham's claim - does not mean he can't reverse the form over the Aintree fences and 1 mile further though, I was just very taken with the way he jumped and stayed at Haydock - the front two pulled well clear of Le Beau Bai. |
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^appreciate the weight carrying stat is against NC too - but there would n't be too many with his class who tried to carry more than 11st 5lb and that stat surely coms under pressure as the standard of the horses competing rises year by year.
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Yes he may well reverse the form under Aintree conditions, i'd accept that. Just from a handicapping point of view it looks difficult. Horses beaten in that Haydock race actually have a better record at Aintree.
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dennis will have given paddy all is knowledge of giles....and i think he will hold onto him for as long as he can....giles very often has done all the donkey work...and perhaps pressed on at to strong a pace....i would love to see something else give paddy a tow for as long as possible...
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Personally I cant really work out why GC is 12's and Le Beau Bai 40's. I know who I'd rather be on!
Planet of Sound is my shout, also at 40's. I also think The Midnight Club is value at 33's. Great effort to be 6th last year when supposedly not quite right, and the rain will help his chances.... They are my three against the field at this stage. |
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Trainer has stated that LBB needs it heavy going,and soft is no good
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He's always said it wants the ground only just raceable as it was when he won both times at Chepstow this season but can't see him not running here. Surely there's nowhere else for him to go and the trip will help bring his stamina into play.
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I think he's stated as long as the word soft appears in the going it'l run. A little patter of rain should be enough, unlrss the ground is sunbaked I think they'll be running.
The trainer clearly knows the horse better than us but I think it needs a heavy to be seen at its best at around 3 miles. A bog in the national would have me very concerned about it staying as Sint suggested a few days ago. |
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I thought that Giles Cross was a good bet at 25/1 but was suprised seeing all that money come for him and driving his price down to as low as 14/1.
Now I see that the price is drifted back upto 28.0 which I think is a big price and have had a nice amount on, but this is the Grand National after all and anything could win. Good luck to those who are on Giles Cross! |
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yep,just took 27,looks a fair bet to me,and with predicted rain,can see him shortening again.
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29 a couple of hours ago,now 19.5.
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Now 17.
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Good good....Oddchecker made a mistake and had it half way down the list at 25s with Korals earlier....did worry when I scrolled down and couldn't find it near the top.
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30s now
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aint got the rain,should still run well though,but some rain would have helped.
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Pulled-up.
Never looked like he was enjoying himself, probably the ground. Given what happened to other horses in the race it was the right choice by the jockey. See you in Cheptstow in December, Giles.  |
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Neptune Collonges wae 2lb better off for a neck beating and also looked the stronger stayer to me. Sorry for not answering before but was away at Liverpool for the races and only got back today
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Should not have run the horse imo
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