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Rabobank Irish Champion Hurdle Preview
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HF is different class to the opposition. The betting reflects this. He's only going to get beat if
(a) he falls (b) there is something wrong with him and he doesn't reproduce To me he's like Frankel on saturday too short to back but I wouldn't oppose him. what will come second is probably a more interesting question? |
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Rain forecast so I assume thats the Binocular excuse lined up for Friday.
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The stable visit by RTE to Willi Mullins setup was of good interest..you get the feeling he has no concerns about HF this time around unlike 2010....sounded really bullish and said HF loves Punchestown....he also expects much better from So Young, saying it kinda happened a bit 2quick at CHELTIE...
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Why would rain bother Binocular CV? As far as him winning a bad Champion Hurdle there's no such a thing mate unless you count Sublimity but I refuse to believe that was a Champion Hurdle it was more like a day out for old crocks
 .Seriously if you don't think Binocular is a very good hurdler if wat they are saying at Sevenbarrows about him and his latest work is true I think your face will look like an egg sandwich very soon. |
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Binocular is a very good hurdler on his day under the right conditions (2m on quick ground on a stiff track) but history has shown us that he is not as effective on slower ground, often running stones below his CH win. Henderson is a master trainer but Binocular will need to run a career best to even have a chance of winning this and even then Hurricane Fly might still be too good for him.
Should be fascinating from a tactical point of view but no matter how the race is run i can see only one winner. Thousand Stars looks the ew call to give Mullins a 1-2 |
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Binocular is a very good horse. Hurricane Fly is a great horse.
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I can honestly see HF winning this by 10 lengths on the bridle, nothing in the field is anywhere near his class
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I want some of whatever it is you've been smoking
The way he's ridden he wouldn't win 10 lengths if running against selling platers.I just hope it's a cracking race.. I wouldn't read too much into Binocular's form Farmer, don't forget who trains him. Nicky Henderson has never been shy to send horses for trials short of a gallop or 2. Very seldom will his Cheltenham horses be spot on between Xmas and March and always run a few pounds below what they are capable of. Binoculars had more than a few of them in the past so it's more a case of do you trust Nicky Henderson to have him spot on for this. Nicky knows his stuff so and Binocular wouldn't be here if he didn't feel he had a very good chance of winning. Expect some fireworks today I think it will be a helluva race and nowhere near as easy as my friend with the bong thinks. |
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Binocular at his very best V the Fly at his very best is a great race. But for me its very rare Bino produces his best on a regular basis, unlike Hurricane
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so whats Binoculars excuse for today then, rain /ground..just aint that good fellas, Hurricane the real deal as we've just seen AGAIN
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HF looks good enough to mix it with the big guns on the flat. He'd be a very interesting runner in the Ascot
gold cup , especially with a little bit of cut. Enough pace for an Irish st ledger too. |
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Where can I buy more wheelbarrows?
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Anyway, this is over, you can't have debate in the face of Ruby having a look through his legs for the former "champ", a move that had the the stands in laughter. That was hilarious.
B-Pig. That is Binoculars name. The horse is a pig, he has cost punters money non stop based on this stupid hype with an excuse lined up every time he's beat. He gets hammered almost every time he gets on a race track. Overrated pig. B-Pig. And people called Fly Irish Hype. Thousand Stars and Solwhit are quality horses, as is Go Native by the way. Anyway, that's the last that needs to be said on it imv. Lets not get things wrong here, I was a big binocular fan even this season. But a pig is a pig. He is a pig. |
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By the way that was more a joke / wind up that it might appear ^
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you were spot on cv. Great pic
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What is it with people calling horses, pigs? It didn't sound like you were joking either CV.
You, and I for that matter, have been reading his form wrong, that is the problem, not the horse. He beat Celestial Halo and Kyber Kim and we probably thought the form was stronger than it has actually proved to be. Both CH and KK are not as good as we had believed. That is not Binocular's fault. In the race he and AP at least tried to make a geniune race out of a farce so how about a little credit where it is due. He can only do his best and doesn't need unnecessary criticism. Then you say how good Hurricane Fly is. How can he be a brilliant champion in your opinion? He only beat a 'pig'. |
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We call binocular B pig or Binocuhype for a laugh. The horse has had some amount of hype and never ending string of excuses since his defeat in the 09 champion hurdle. He is clearly just an average hurdler who gets routinely defeated in most of his races. Fly on the other hand is a model of consistency and a great champion
Binocular isn't a pig, but isn't a very good horse either. |
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I think Binocualr has serious physical problems and they have nothing to do with having a tail and a snout before anyone says anything. I think given his pedigree, son of failed flat sire Enrique, it was always likely he was going to have problems. He's hardly likely to be improving now, but hey, on his day I think he was a very good horse who won a champion and probably should have had another. He is no Hurricane Fly, but who is?
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Race was a farce to start of with and Bino and Menorah played it right into HF's hooves!! Bino had no chance the way he was lit up,no chance.
Yes HF is the better imo,but no way was that Binos running,absolutely no way. |
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I would still like to see them meet next March and both run their race.
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Hopefully they will meet next march and I hope binocuhype has extra hype going in, any way to get a price on hurricane fly is good for me. Fly is on a different planet to his contemporaries, he is racing against the legends of the 70s and Istabraq himself for all time great.
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getting carried away mate,needs to win more to compare with Istabraq and the 70,s horses.Could happen but not yet comparable.
At the moment he has won 1 CH,and beaten the best of Ireland,which imo are nowhere near horses like Night Nurse etc etc Lets wait and see before saying things like that.Iknow how much you think of him,but still a lot to achieve before being hailed a great. |
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Oh he has to go do it alright, bit those are the heights he has to aim for now.
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yeh...he has to beat more horses of the likes of theatreworld to be compared with istabraq
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the only negative that could be levelled against him was his fragility which seems to be behind him now...quick ground, soft ground, 2 miles, 2.5 miles, fast pace, slow pace, on the bridle or getting down and dirty....and doing it all in a supposed strong year....he is the complete champion hurdler....he's got it all.....blasphemy to say of course but he has the potential to surpass even istabraq.
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potential that still has to be fulfilled.He does seem to have everything needed though i agree,but he has to keep that going for another 2 or 3 years.
One could of course argue that had it not been for injury he would have been top of the tree for 2 years now,but unfortunately he was fragile(unsure if he still is),so we have to see what he can do over the next few years and see what emerges as challangers. |
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CV,
Not sure Binocular will give you a decent price next March mate.Think people have got a bit fed up with him now.He just has not really repeated his CH victory,and that can be questioned given how his opposition that day have fared since. Personally i still think that was a very good performance and had HF been in the race that year we would probably know for sure the comparable merits of both horses. Certainly looking at the times of both horses when they won,albeit on different ground,their dont seem to be much in it,but thats times and not the best way of judging.What would be perfect is if both horses turned up next March in the form of their respective CH wins,but i doubt that will happen. HF is top dog right now,but Bino is a horse that imo if on his day is capable of matching him. |
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Would Fly have beaten Khyber Kim further than 3 1/2l in that Champion Hurdle? Khyber Kim won the greatwood from Medermit and beat Celestial Halo in the Bula. Menorah imo had done more than that and he was beaten out of sight twice by Hurricane Fly. Khyber Kim won the Aintree Hurdle then when Celestial Halo fell, Oscar Whiskey was well beaten in the Champion Hurdle.
All this and Fly's worst run of the year was the Champion Hurdle. I have little doubt had Fly not been injured and had run in the two leopardstown races on the way to that Champion Hurdle he'd have beaten Binocular. Fly simply is the best since Istabraq and could go down as the best ever if he can manage to win another 2 champion hurdles. |
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yeh yer probably right mate,but i still would like to see the 2 race against each other at their best.Thats just me though and i agree it all points to HF being the best we have seen since Istabraq.
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CV best ever slow down abit - see 1970s hurdling scene.
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