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why are connections of bino ducking a clash with the champ hurricane fly??why not come over to punchestown for a more suitable race over 2 miles rather than running over 2m 4f,madness! given binos owner is irish i thought they may have had more balls
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Hendo can win Champion trainer hence Binocular and Long Run running in England
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sounds about right CV.
also it is possible Bino could do both, he did miss Cheltenham afterall. |
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"Hendo can win Champion trainer hence Binocular and Long Run running in England"
jp ownes the horse,not hendo, if he wanted to run in punchestown then theres not a lot hendo could do about it |
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yeah but it is you Evra who is making the assumption about why they are going o Aintree.
Think about it properly, Henderson trained the horse who finished 3rd behind Hurricane Fly, so he'll have a very good idea as to how Bino would get on against the horses in Ireland. |
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that means nothing,werent the same people saying that about peddlers cross when overturn finished so close to binocular in the christmas hurdle,its absolute bull$hit,you can bet your bottom dollar binocular would be going to punchestown if hurricane fly was not running there.hes never ran over 2 and a half miles,has never ran like he needed it,so when theres a choice of two grade 1s,one been over his optimum trip and one over a trip hes never run and has never looked like needing why take the option that they havent a clue about?prize money is pretty much the same so it suggests to me their afraid to take the champ on
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there is almost a 4 week gap thoug, what if the horse injures himself inbetween ? He was ready to run in March remember..
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What's the difference in prize money?
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RABOBANK CHAMPION HURDLE (GRADE 1)
(4yo+) 2m Good 9 hdles £90,265.49, £28,584.07, £13,539.82, £4,513.27, £3,008.85, £1,504.42 JOHN SMITH'S DICK FRANCIS AINTREE HURDLE GRADE 1 (Class 1) (4yo+) 2m4f Good 11 hdles £91,216.00, £34,224.00, £17,136.00, £8,544.00, £4,288.00, £2,144.00 |
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Why on earth would he run in Ireland over Aintree? He's already run and won well there before, so obviously goes well at the track. He has never run in Ireland, so why would you even think of going there? He's English trained and Aintree is surely a much much more prestigious meeting anyway.
I seriously doubt Hurricane Fly has even entered their thoughts, a peak Binocular is different league imo. |
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credo,he has never run beyond 2 miles,he is a 2 mile hurdler,
HTH |
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It does seem strange given that he's borderline staying 2 miles. CV's probably right as to the reason why.
Its a shame Hurricane fly isn't running at aintree as there is a decent chance of him staying 2 1/2m. |
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Given that this is the most valuable 2 1/2m hurdle race of the year you would think Quevega would be a Guaranteed runner. It could be argued he's the best 2 1/2m hurdler out their, yet I doubt he will be sent
over . Why? / |
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''borderline staying 2 miles''
That's a massively different opinion to mine, for me stamina is a big strong suit of binocular, 2 and a half on a flat track should suit fine imo. All a game of opinions though. |
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Also didnt Istabraq run in the same Aintree race?
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Istabraq won a desperate renewal in 1999 and got beat by Pridwell in 1998. It wasn't his best trip by any
means. In 2009 CH they went a blistering gallop and Binculer couldn't see it out , he won it last year off a slow pace. 2 1/2m is a real specialist trip and it would have to be a weakish field on fastish ground plus a slow pace for Binoculer to win. |
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"Also didnt Istabraq run in the same Aintree race"
WTF has this got to do with binocular staying 2 and a half miles please? same silks on the jockeys back?  |
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hasn"t hurricane fly won over 2 1/2 miles???
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yes he has,on more than one occasion
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Are you for real Tinkler? He was finishing best of all in '09 and Celestial Halo set a rock solid pace last year!
Btw Quevega is a 'she'. Thats why she can run in that Mares race at Cheltenham |
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Some people just don't look before they leap but still a thread well worth discussing.
Prize money and Trainers Championship aside which race would Binocular have most chance of winning? Aintree has to be it surely? and after all it's all about winning unless you believe that crap about taking part. Barnesy is perfectly correct it was nothing to do with the gallop that saw Binocular beaten in '09 and he was by far the strongest finisher once he got going. To this day AP would tell you had he not held him up for fear of getting up the hill he would have won like he did in '10. I have no doubts about him staying 2m4f round Aintree and even less doubt round there he has the beating of Peddler's Cross. If it were Cheltenham I'd give Peddlers Cross a better chance of slipping a few lengths clear and running the sting out of Binoculars tail. Round Aintree and the ease in which Binocular travels I can't see PC having enough zip in his step to get Binocular off the bridle before the second last and when AP says go around that point I think it's game over for PC. I expect Binocular to win easily but that doesn't mean I think he's better than Hurricane Fly only that round this course everything is in his favour. |
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why are hurricane flys connections running scared of binocular surely he should be running at aintree too
absolute nonense for a start what have binocular connections got to0 be scared off hes not the champ anymore HF is hes the one to beat secondly as someone pointed out hendo had the third home oscar whisky beaten under 5l and binocular is difrent class to him.and third and final point punchestown is much later this season so the ground will be lightening fast how ever much water they put on.on one hand he can travel to ireland in MAY and run the risk of injury on fast ground or stay in england and run on nice ground EASY CHOICE! |
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Borderline staying 2 miles. Thats absolutely priceless.
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tinkler
'Its a shame Hurricane fly isn't running at aintree as there is a decent chance of him staying 2 1/2m.' |
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In dont think any horse will find it easy beating PC.
FWIW i think Bino should run in the top 2m races,after all he is a Champion Hurdle winner,and taking on HF in Ireland would be great for racing. As pointed out though its all about whats best for the horse,and if connections prefer him to run at Aintree then thats it really. |
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He was ready to run in March. They cant wait until May ffs, what if he gets injured or has another dose of anti-biotics
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"Its a shame Hurricane fly isn't running at aintree as there is a
decent chance of him staying 2 1/2m." Well of course he stays it he's won over the trip twice already. |
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why are hurricane flys connections running scared of binocular surely
he should be running at aintree too Because he's an Irish horse and nobody gives a fcuk about the Aintree Hurdle. Especially over here. |
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Personally I would prefer Binocular not to come over to Punchestown as he will be the only thing giving me a backable price on Hurricane Fly in next years Champion hurdle.
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Bino > HF
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Credo
Aintree is surely a much much more prestigious meeting anyway. Lmao Aintree is one race with the others being an afterthought. Punchestown is far more prestigious and a far better meeting |
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Alvarado
why are hurricane flys connections running scared of binocular surely he should be running at aintree too Eh, because he's waiting to retain his Irish Champion Hurdle crown. He's already skated in in the English version, now he's on to do the double. Why would he run in a 2m 4f mickey mouse race when he can win a champion hurdle instead. Prize money is the same so prestige counts |
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tinkler
Given that this is the most valuable 2 1/2m hurdle race of the year you would think Quevega would be a Guaranteed runner. It could be argued he's the best 2 1/2m hurdler out their, yet I doubt he will be sent over . Why? She wont run because she's the reigning Irish 3m champion and is waiting to defend her crown |
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stop being so selfish CV
we need Bino and Fly running against each other,thats what gets us excited,those sort of races. imagine the irish race otherwise,beating the same old lot again. Bino along with PC are the only horses around that can possibly give HF a race. |
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Dont forget also their is a month between these races,so well possible for a horse to run in both.
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i strongly fancy peddlers cross to beat binocular at aintree,the only thing that will beat peddlers cross is the "cheltenham factor"
and as for rondetto who thinks binocular will have too much zip for peddlers cross,did peddlers not show enough zip in the champion hurdle to suggest he doesnt lack any pace?? |
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I agree with evra, I would obviously love to see Bino V HF, but Bino running at Aintree gives PC backers a better price. The Cheltenham factor did not stop PC following up last year
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Looking at it logically,we have a proven horse at the distance who has beaten Bino in their only clash,and has just come a good 2nd to what looks a real good horse in the CH.
Bino has never ran over the distance,so those that think Bino will beat PC are guessing he will be as good over further,and imo having a bit of a pop at the CH form. |
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Silviniaco conti wins this anyway
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how on earth does he beat PC?
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