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bettysboy
29 Mar 14 20:26
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i am far too wasted to put anything up tonight,so table up in morning and every good luck to those that choose to play on Sunday
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Report top2rated March 30, 2014 7:54 AM BST
Can You Conga - 3.20 Donc

Thanks.
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 8:28 AM BST
POS CHG  FORM    NAME                    SELECTION                      RESULT         +/-       TOTAL
1▲   +6  0047620 top2rated              Ocean Tempest 3.50 Donc        Won 20/1    20.00      £23.00
2▲   -1  1221107 bettysboy              Twiggy Wiggy 1.50 Kemp        Won 8/13      0.62      £21.27
3▲   -1  6-32214 hong kong fooey        Memory Cloth 5.35 donc        Won 3/1      3.00      £10.50
4▲   -1  101121n Fidway (4)              Jack Dexter 2.40 Donc          3rd        -1.00       £5.28
5   -1  1-11112 Ashmal                  Mozoltov 4.00 Nav              Won 4/7      0.57       £4.92
6   -1  3-1fr10 deadbrain59 (1)        Viking Blond 3.05 Stra        5th        -1.00       £2.97
7   -1  5-16261 kwalker (3)            Solstice Son 3.20 Utto        3rd        -1.00       £2.08
8       1-11111 travelling man          Lancelot du Lac 3.30 Kemp      5th        -1.00       £1.62
9       2-11111 Kentish Man (1)        Hasopop 4.40 Kemp              2nd        -1.00       £1.34
10       1-53132 Earth to Mickey (1)    Go West Young Man 3.55 Utto    Lost        -1.00      -£2.80
11       p-22504 petemac                Red Seventy 3.40 Stra          3rd        -1.00      -£3.45
12       1051212 feastorfamine (4)      LRF                            Lost        -1.00      -£3.66
13       1u4291f Grok (1)                Born To Surprise 3.15 donc    13th        -1.00      -£4.25
14       1336347 caulkhead              Lancelot du Lac 3.30 Kemp      5th        -1.00      -£5.49
15   +5  1-20143 grey shark              Mozoltov 4.00 Nav              Won 4/7      0.57      -£5.59
16   +6  501221f Andrew In Sweden        Mozoltov 4.00 Nav              Won 4/7      0.57      -£5.94
17   -2  1-12111 la mallatiere (9)      Consign 3.50 Donc              13th        -1.00      -£5.99
18   -2  1-2112f cannyman (2)            Trumpet Major 2.20 Kemp        5th        -1.00      -£6.12
19   -2  1-31p31 Aquarius                Ballycool 4.30 Utto            6th        -1.00      -£6.37
20   -2  5-11111 Draw 1                  Hasopop 4.40 Kemp              2nd        -1.00      -£6.45
21   +3  1-10311 Optimize                Mozoltov 4.00 Nav              Won 4/7      0.57      -£6.54
22   -3  4-n6212 healing hands          Zerfaal 4.05 Kemp              2nd        -1.00      -£6.90
23   -2  5-21424 Ricky Santini (4)      Hasopop 4.40 Kemp              2nd        -1.00      -£7.44
24   +4  7132up1 SkintOfGreatYarmouth    Ballylifen 4.30 Utto          Won 7/2      3.50      -£7.45
25       2-10311 Silverbuck1            Mozoltov 4.00 Nav              Won 4/7      0.57      -£7.56
26▼   -3  3041113 eccentric (4)          Military Attack 6.05 Mey      10th        -1.00      -£8.05
27▼   -1  1-12174 Reged                  Jack Dexter 2.40 Donc          3rd        -1.00      -£9.94
28▼   -1  5-44113 raspberrybottom (1)    Uramazin 2.55 Kemp            9th        -1.00    -£11.50
29▼       8211p03 fortieschild            Tulius 3.50 Donc              2nd        -1.00    -£12.65
30▼       3-10331 heeore                  Tulius 3.50 Donc              2nd        -1.00    -£14.94
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 8:32 AM BST
We have a new Leader Cool as top2rated takes over after napping 20/1 big race winner Ocean Tempest - top tipping Happy

NB was SkintoOfGreatYarmouth whose winning nap Ballylifen obliged at 7/2 - enough to see SOGY pull away from the relegations zone.

hong kong fooey picked 3/1 winner Memory Cloth and six others found an odds on shortie.

Best of luck to those choosing to play today.
Report Andrew in Sweden March 30, 2014 8:58 AM BST
top2rated, excellent winner, well done.
Report fortieschild March 30, 2014 9:21 AM BST
Joey's Destiny-3.20 Donc

Thanks.
Report hong kong fooey March 30, 2014 9:37 AM BST
Brilliant top2rated
Report Lampus March 30, 2014 9:55 AM BST
Seskinane 3.25  Limerick
Report Lampus March 30, 2014 9:56 AM BST
That was for heeore
Report top2rated March 30, 2014 10:24 AM BST
bettysboy - think you'll need to knock £1 off my total.....

RULE 4: One Word More was withdrawn. Price at time of withdrawal 10/1. Rule 4 applies to all bets - deduct 5p in the pound.

Thanks.
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 10:30 AM BST
la mallatiere:

Gassin Golf 2.00 Ascot

Thanks bb,
Report feastorfamine March 30, 2014 10:43 AM BST
Junior - 4.10 Ascot
Report Grok March 30, 2014 10:48 AM BST
Kitegen     2:30    Ascot
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 11:15 AM BST
OK top2rated, thanks for your honesty - I missed that
Report petemac March 30, 2014 11:52 AM BST
Kitegen 2.30 Ascot
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 12:00 PM BST
Aalim 3.00 Ascot for me
Report look - it's snowing March 30, 2014 12:49 PM BST
caulkhead

Simply A Legend - 2.00 Ascot

Cheers
Report Reged March 30, 2014 1:04 PM BST
Not goin down without a fight!

Farmer Matt - 2.30 Asc

Cheers bb
Report eccentric March 30, 2014 2:39 PM BST
Pickamus , 4 10 Ascot , many thanks
Report deadbrain59 March 30, 2014 3:01 PM BST
benefit cut posted saturday for sundey 17 40.PlainPlainPlain
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 3:19 PM BST
deadbrain59     29 Mar 14 17:40 
benefit cut 2.30 SUNDAY ascot.

apologies db59
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 3:30 PM BST
Well done to top2rated    on your big winner and moreso on your honesty!

I presume you are ignoring Fridays thread bettysboy?

Ashmal
     28 Mar 14 16:45   




.Fidway.     28 Mar 14 13:47 
310 newc bellorophon

Was already declared a non runner at 8.51 am

Bellorophon (IRE)
Declared at: 28/03/2014 08:51
Reason: Going


Sorry Fidway but I was going to back it myself till I noticed it was a non runner mid morning



So if i had of put it up also and knowing it was already a non runner would i have gotten away with it also??
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 4:08 PM BST
Ashmal - I didn't see your Friday post.

In any case I assume innocence on behalf of posters. I can check the one hour rule but that is about it.
Report .Fidway. March 30, 2014 4:19 PM BST
525 leo teocht.


Ashmal if you wanna know the truth I was at work and just had a quick look at the paper and popped it up.
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 4:32 PM BST
Innocence or not it's a breach of the rules and many others previous have been pulled on it and either deducted a pound or it goes on lrf does it not? And Fidway can you honestly say that you would have played today if Deadbrain hadn't jumped above you?? Btw I didn't play today as i didn't think i needed to one because a pound should have been deducted and two because i didn't know deadbrain59 had posted as it wasn't on  todays thread. However seeing the threads / tables are not going up like other divisions i cannot blame deadbrain59 for that.
Report SilverBuck1 March 30, 2014 4:32 PM BST
posting for tomorrow now Bettysboy as i wont be around when the table goes up but know i am in the sticky stuff so heres mine

Never Never 5.40 Hexham
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 4:44 PM BST
Ashmal - I understand your frustration, but there has been no breach of the rules. It is within my remit to do something IF I think a wrong has been done but there is no evidence of this - ie not a serial offence.
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 4:47 PM BST
bettsboy 5 hours after declared a non runner!! Get real ffs
Report .Fidway. March 30, 2014 5:07 PM BST
ashmal I can hand on heart say I never knew it was a non runner when I posted, believe it if you wish.

as for my nap today I did look through the naps today and saw the winner so decided to pop one up,didnt realise there was a rule against that. more to the point I never realised there was a rule against popping up a non runner by mistake.
Report deadbrain59 March 30, 2014 5:47 PM BST
im sometimes not in on post day?Blush
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 6:01 PM BST
Ashmal - if you want to settle the division all you need to do is volunteer. Good luck to you.
Report deadbrain59 March 30, 2014 6:13 PM BST
bear in mind iwould have posted if it had lost,HappyHappy
Report petemac March 30, 2014 6:13 PM BST
Ashmal has got a point Bettysboy with all due respect surely if someone posts a non runner 5 hours after it has been pulled out it must be classed as a bit suspicious though I am not familiar myself with the ruling on this, surely Reg and Shane could give us some advice especially as it is so close between Ashmal and Fidway?
Report deadbrain59 March 30, 2014 6:24 PM BST
i post purely for yearly naps table,position in table gl all.win lose or draw.Mischief
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 6:28 PM BST
Thank you petemac. It's not as much just me v fidway that £1 etc could affect anyone in the final table ie what if fidway goes into the top 4 tmrw and does one of the "promotees" by a penny?? Just trying to get a point accross and nothing personal to fidway but i have on numerous occassions before seen people deducted or going on to the daft lrf rule!

Bettysboy as for your comment re settling if i could workout how to use a spreadsheet then i would however if you haven't got the time nor want to continue yourself then advertise the position imo!

I do appreciate all the hard work that all the settlers do as I'm sure we all do however on this occassion I feel the rules where tossed out the window and find it strange that no other settlers have bothered to respond even though I know they will be on your side!
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 6:30 PM BST
Nice winners today deadbrain59 & Caulkhead Very well done to you both!
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 6:41 PM BST
There is no ruling to cover this. It`s another one where you can`t win, after all, where do you draw the line? 30 mins? 1 hour? 2 hours? Also, this increases the settlers workload.

Personally, I rely on the premier napsters competing in the correct spirit, we all, as settlers rely on this. That said, if I felt someone was deliberately selecting a non-runner I wouldn`t hesitate in settling as invalid (-£1) I`ve always found it to be down to the individual settler. I`ve posted a non-runner after it has been withdrawn, easy enough done, though I realise in this instance we are talking 5 hours.
Report petemac March 30, 2014 6:59 PM BST
Ashmal "hand on heart I can say I never knew it was a non runner when I posted"

In that case Ashmal I am afraid all you can do then is believe Fidways statement above and respect Bettysboy's  judgement as a settler and find yourself a nice little winner tomorrow so good luck.
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 7:04 PM BST
I, as a settler, rely on peoples honesty at times. I`m very rarely disappointed.
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 7:11 PM BST
Appreciate the replies guys. Down to the individual settler Shane?? Surely it's got to be the same rule as such accross the board? As for the new rule tmrw I think it will only work if all selections had to be in with the 1 hour rule or you will see posters waiting on others selections losing then decide a non post is the order of the day surely?
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 7:21 PM BST
I know I`ve left myself open there Ash. It`s just that if we covered everything we would have a list of rules the length of your arm, which in turn increases the workload of the settlers.

It`s like the recent rule change regarding instructions, has it improved the comp in any way? Could we introduce several new rules? Yes. Again, would it improve things? I`ve doubts. It`s all a bit of fun, something to compete in and have a bit of banter. I`ve always said above all else, more important than all the rules put together the comp should be fun.

That`s always been my stance on the naps comp and often the reasoning behind my views. Hope I`ve made sense.
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 7:25 PM BST
Whatever we decide on we can`t please everyone, that is impossible as there`s no simple solution.

I fall back on my view above in so much as I expect every single participant to play in the correct spirit at all times. Naïve? Yes. Correct view, again yes.
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 8:25 PM BST
You know, I cannot be bothered, the LRF debacle showed what a selfish minority can achieve and Ashmal shows this up to be a competition I cannot be bothered with.

I'll continue to settle for the next week until a replacement can be found , but am retiring from all competitions as of now.

Thanks for your support Shane, but I am really pssed off by this stupidity and am sorry to leave fellow settlers in the lurch - perhaps Ashmal will offer services to help? If so very good luck to you.
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 8:56 PM BST
I knew this would happen, I really did Angry

betty - please re-consider for me, if you still feel the same at the end of the week then fair enough. I`m sat here reading the forum and thinking here we go again (losing settlers)

This is my whole point, this is why I`m fairly free and easy and promote fun on here. We as settlers devote quite a lot of time and energy into running things, please remember it`s for the love of the comp and nothing else, nothing. I don`t expect anyone to kiss my arris in return, I don`t expect anything apart from a little respect at times, that`s all.
I`m confident I can speak for the others here.
Report Reged March 30, 2014 9:03 PM BST
everything gettin a bit heated here ... steady on chaps

shane, well said that last sturf

bb, don't do it mate ... you are beloved here and well respected for your efforts, tho I differ on the 'selfish minority'

Ashmal, I will be honest, in my div I allow a leeway of one and a half hours. Otherwise I think if people cant be rsed to check for NRs its their loss. But that's my interpretation. bb is perfectly entitled his. It's his div and as the rules clearly indicate, where they do not cover something the div settler is the final arbiter and his decision should be accepted and respected
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 9:07 PM BST
It's his div and as the rules clearly indicate, where they do not cover something the div settler is the final arbiter and his decision should be accepted and respected.

Without that we have no competition, it would fall apart.
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 9:11 PM BST
Ashmal - the position is advertised. Go get it.
Report petemac March 30, 2014 9:21 PM BST
Well said Reg.
Yes BB let it settle, it does get to you sometimes, I been running a race trip with comps for 20 years and in the early years i used to think why do I bother and felt like packing in many times.
See how you feel in a few days mate you have been doing a splendid job.
As Reg said it is your Division and you do have and have had the final say on this dispute.
In this recent issue if i was settler i would not have accepted it as a non runner, you have and that is not saying i am right or you are wrong it is just saying everybody is different.
Look at Reg he wouldn't give you 2 seconds lee way on the 1 hr rule and i think that is harsh but i respect his stance and totally understand where he is coming from.
Ashmal may have been a little over critical in his remarks but i am sure he regrets that now.
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 9:40 PM BST
Sorry Pete I like others don't wish bettysboy to jack in as I appreciate the time and effort all the settlers put in however I won't retract from anything I have said. I know others have been deducted in the past so why not on this "one occassion" It has to be the same rule for all divisions imo or it would be like saying that each settler can make their own rules up for their respective divisions would it not?
Report Reged March 30, 2014 9:41 PM BST
Ashmal mate, THERE IS NO RULE

non-runners and what you do with them are a matter for individual interpretation
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 9:52 PM BST
Ash - the settler would take action in the above scenario. Fidway was given the benefit of the doubt after one withdrawn horse.
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 9:53 PM BST
Ashmal - do the settling then you decide
Report petemac March 30, 2014 10:00 PM BST
Ashmal you couldn't do that because you would not be allowed to by any settler IMO.

Like Shane says you cannot cover everything and on the rare occasion when the settler has to make a decision you just have to accept it though i do on this occasion feel you had to raise the point as I would have done so myself in your boots but maybe in a more respectful fashion.
It is maybe Fidway you could be asking some questions i just don't know it is a difficult area.
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 10:01 PM BST
Shane answer this then Why have others been deducted in the past?? And betty is was not my intention for you to resign I just wanted some answers and consistancy accross the board or so to speak but if you want to  keep telling me to settle (when i've told you i dont do spreadsheets) then carry on spitting your dummy out imo!
Report bettysboy March 30, 2014 10:07 PM BST
the dummy is all yours Ashmal - step up
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 10:12 PM BST
Pete it would have been nice if "the settler" had read the thread on the 28th where i pointed it out (was going to do it myself but was already a nr) or indeed the pm i sent to them and also the mail that Shane said he had sent him!! No replies whatsoever so that's the bit i cannot understand! If i am meant to be the bad guy for pointing it all out then fk it so be it
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 10:18 PM BST
betty dont be a pr8tt why did you not answer the pm's / e mail etc?? Would have saved airing in public but hey ho if that's what you want! Also question to ALL settlers .. Does this mean that if ANY competitor spots anything amiss ie late posting / non runners etc etc that we should not highlight it anymore?
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 10:18 PM BST
Reged has deducted in the past when I haven`t, yes. I fully respect Reg`s decision to settle as he sees fit and so should all those in division 3. I have a slightly different view in so much as I would keep an eye on someone first and more than likely PM them if I suspected any wrong doing, which I have done with similar things with two napsters on separate occasions in the past. There are other things (tactics) let`s say which I`m not too keen on but it`s too difficult to stop.

Like I said, I expect everyone, rightly or wrongly to compete in the correct spirit at all times.

The settlers made a conscious decision to keep things as simple as possible and not to be bogged down by too many rules and regulations which in turn would increase our workload.
Report Shanelee1966 March 30, 2014 10:24 PM BST
Always raise points/issues Ash, I along with the other settlers will always listen. Plus, sometimes we miss things.
Report Ashmal March 30, 2014 11:12 PM BST
Shanelee1966     30 Mar 14 21:24 
Always raise points/issues Ash, I along with the other settlers will always listen. Plus, sometimes we miss things.



Shane that's all i was doing here however it obviously wasn't appreciated
Report TheNorfolkMafia March 30, 2014 11:50 PM BST
^^^^^Watch him, he's a f*cking troublemaker!^^^^^

Laugh
Report Grok March 31, 2014 1:37 AM BST
Sir Graham Wade     5:00    Kemp
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