Division 1 Selections for SUNDAY March 30th

Can You Conga - 3.20 Donc

Thanks.

POS	CHG	FORM	NAME	SELECTION	RESULT	+/-	TOTAL
1▲	+6	0047620	top2rated	Ocean Tempest 3.50 Donc	Won 20/1	20.00	£23.00
2▲	-1	1221107	bettysboy	Twiggy Wiggy 1.50 Kemp	Won 8/13	0.62	£21.27
3▲	-1	6-32214	hong kong fooey	Memory Cloth 5.35 donc	Won 3/1	3.00	£10.50
4▲	-1	101121n	Fidway (4)	Jack Dexter 2.40 Donc	3rd	-1.00	£5.28
5	-1	1-11112	Ashmal	Mozoltov 4.00 Nav	Won 4/7	0.57	£4.92
6	-1	3-1fr10	deadbrain59 (1)	Viking Blond 3.05 Stra	5th	-1.00	£2.97
7	-1	5-16261	kwalker (3)	Solstice Son 3.20 Utto	3rd	-1.00	£2.08
8		1-11111	travelling man	Lancelot du Lac 3.30 Kemp	5th	-1.00	£1.62
9		2-11111	Kentish Man (1)	Hasopop 4.40 Kemp	2nd	-1.00	£1.34
10		1-53132	Earth to Mickey (1)	Go West Young Man 3.55 Utto	Lost	-1.00	-£2.80
11		p-22504	petemac	Red Seventy 3.40 Stra	3rd	-1.00	-£3.45
12		1051212	feastorfamine (4)	LRF	Lost	-1.00	-£3.66
13		1u4291f	Grok (1)	Born To Surprise 3.15 donc	13th	-1.00	-£4.25
14		1336347	caulkhead	Lancelot du Lac 3.30 Kemp	5th	-1.00	-£5.49
15	+5	1-20143	grey shark	Mozoltov 4.00 Nav	Won 4/7	0.57	-£5.59
16	+6	501221f	Andrew In Sweden	Mozoltov 4.00 Nav	Won 4/7	0.57	-£5.94
17	-2	1-12111	la mallatiere (9)	Consign 3.50 Donc	13th	-1.00	-£5.99
18	-2	1-2112f	cannyman (2)	Trumpet Major 2.20 Kemp	5th	-1.00	-£6.12
19	-2	1-31p31	Aquarius	Ballycool 4.30 Utto	6th	-1.00	-£6.37
20	-2	5-11111	Draw 1	Hasopop 4.40 Kemp	2nd	-1.00	-£6.45
21	+3	1-10311	Optimize	Mozoltov 4.00 Nav	Won 4/7	0.57	-£6.54
22	-3	4-n6212	healing hands	Zerfaal 4.05 Kemp	2nd	-1.00	-£6.90
23	-2	5-21424	Ricky Santini (4)	Hasopop 4.40 Kemp	2nd	-1.00	-£7.44
24	+4	7132up1	SkintOfGreatYarmouth	Ballylifen 4.30 Utto	Won 7/2	3.50	-£7.45
25		2-10311	Silverbuck1	Mozoltov 4.00 Nav	Won 4/7	0.57	-£7.56
26▼	-3	3041113	eccentric (4)	Military Attack 6.05 Mey	10th	-1.00	-£8.05
27▼	-1	1-12174	Reged	Jack Dexter 2.40 Donc	3rd	-1.00	-£9.94
28▼	-1	5-44113	raspberrybottom (1)	Uramazin 2.55 Kemp	9th	-1.00	-£11.50
29▼		8211p03	fortieschild	Tulius 3.50 Donc	2nd	-1.00	-£12.65
30▼		3-10331	heeore	Tulius 3.50 Donc	2nd	-1.00	-£14.94

We have a new Leader as top2rated takes over after napping 20/1 big race winner Ocean Tempest - top tipping

NB was SkintoOfGreatYarmouth whose winning nap Ballylifen obliged at 7/2 - enough to see SOGY pull away from the relegations zone.

hong kong fooey picked 3/1 winner Memory Cloth and six others found an odds on shortie.

Best of luck to those choosing to play today.

top2rated, excellent winner, well done.

Joey's Destiny-3.20 Donc

Thanks.

Brilliant top2rated

Seskinane 3.25  Limerick

That was for heeore

bettysboy - think you'll need to knock £1 off my total.....

RULE 4: One Word More was withdrawn. Price at time of withdrawal 10/1. Rule 4 applies to all bets - deduct 5p in the pound.

Thanks.

la mallatiere:

Gassin Golf 2.00 Ascot

Thanks bb,

Junior - 4.10 Ascot

Kitegen     2:30    Ascot

OK top2rated, thanks for your honesty - I missed that

Kitegen 2.30 Ascot

Aalim 3.00 Ascot for me

caulkhead

Simply A Legend - 2.00 Ascot

Cheers

Not goin down without a fight!

Farmer Matt - 2.30 Asc

Cheers bb

Pickamus , 4 10 Ascot , many thanks

benefit cut posted saturday for sundey 17 40.

deadbrain59     29 Mar 14 17:40 
benefit cut 2.30 SUNDAY ascot.

apologies db59

Well done to top2rated    on your big winner and moreso on your honesty!

I presume you are ignoring Fridays thread bettysboy?

Ashmal
     28 Mar 14 16:45   




.Fidway.     28 Mar 14 13:47 
310 newc bellorophon

Was already declared a non runner at 8.51 am

Bellorophon (IRE)
Declared at: 28/03/2014 08:51
Reason: Going


Sorry Fidway but I was going to back it myself till I noticed it was a non runner mid morning



So if i had of put it up also and knowing it was already a non runner would i have gotten away with it also??

Ashmal - I didn't see your Friday post.

In any case I assume innocence on behalf of posters. I can check the one hour rule but that is about it.

525 leo teocht.


Ashmal if you wanna know the truth I was at work and just had a quick look at the paper and popped it up.

Innocence or not it's a breach of the rules and many others previous have been pulled on it and either deducted a pound or it goes on lrf does it not? And Fidway can you honestly say that you would have played today if Deadbrain hadn't jumped above you?? Btw I didn't play today as i didn't think i needed to one because a pound should have been deducted and two because i didn't know deadbrain59 had posted as it wasn't on  todays thread. However seeing the threads / tables are not going up like other divisions i cannot blame deadbrain59 for that.

posting for tomorrow now Bettysboy as i wont be around when the table goes up but know i am in the sticky stuff so heres mine

Never Never 5.40 Hexham

Ashmal - I understand your frustration, but there has been no breach of the rules. It is within my remit to do something IF I think a wrong has been done but there is no evidence of this - ie not a serial offence.

bettsboy 5 hours after declared a non runner!! Get real ffs

ashmal I can hand on heart say I never knew it was a non runner when I posted, believe it if you wish.

as for my nap today I did look through the naps today and saw the winner so decided to pop one up,didnt realise there was a rule against that. more to the point I never realised there was a rule against popping up a non runner by mistake.

im sometimes not in on post day?

Ashmal - if you want to settle the division all you need to do is volunteer. Good luck to you.

bear in mind iwould have posted if it had lost,

Ashmal has got a point Bettysboy with all due respect surely if someone posts a non runner 5 hours after it has been pulled out it must be classed as a bit suspicious though I am not familiar myself with the ruling on this, surely Reg and Shane could give us some advice especially as it is so close between Ashmal and Fidway?

i post purely for yearly naps table,position in table gl all.win lose or draw.

Thank you petemac. It's not as much just me v fidway that £1 etc could affect anyone in the final table ie what if fidway goes into the top 4 tmrw and does one of the "promotees" by a penny?? Just trying to get a point accross and nothing personal to fidway but i have on numerous occassions before seen people deducted or going on to the daft lrf rule!

Bettysboy as for your comment re settling if i could workout how to use a spreadsheet then i would however if you haven't got the time nor want to continue yourself then advertise the position imo!

I do appreciate all the hard work that all the settlers do as I'm sure we all do however on this occassion I feel the rules where tossed out the window and find it strange that no other settlers have bothered to respond even though I know they will be on your side!

Nice winners today deadbrain59 & Caulkhead Very well done to you both!

There is no ruling to cover this. It`s another one where you can`t win, after all, where do you draw the line? 30 mins? 1 hour? 2 hours? Also, this increases the settlers workload.

Personally, I rely on the premier napsters competing in the correct spirit, we all, as settlers rely on this. That said, if I felt someone was deliberately selecting a non-runner I wouldn`t hesitate in settling as invalid (-£1) I`ve always found it to be down to the individual settler. I`ve posted a non-runner after it has been withdrawn, easy enough done, though I realise in this instance we are talking 5 hours.

Ashmal "hand on heart I can say I never knew it was a non runner when I posted"

In that case Ashmal I am afraid all you can do then is believe Fidways statement above and respect Bettysboy's  judgement as a settler and find yourself a nice little winner tomorrow so good luck.

I, as a settler, rely on peoples honesty at times. I`m very rarely disappointed.

Appreciate the replies guys. Down to the individual settler Shane?? Surely it's got to be the same rule as such accross the board? As for the new rule tmrw I think it will only work if all selections had to be in with the 1 hour rule or you will see posters waiting on others selections losing then decide a non post is the order of the day surely?

I know I`ve left myself open there Ash. It`s just that if we covered everything we would have a list of rules the length of your arm, which in turn increases the workload of the settlers.

It`s like the recent rule change regarding instructions, has it improved the comp in any way? Could we introduce several new rules? Yes. Again, would it improve things? I`ve doubts. It`s all a bit of fun, something to compete in and have a bit of banter. I`ve always said above all else, more important than all the rules put together the comp should be fun.

That`s always been my stance on the naps comp and often the reasoning behind my views. Hope I`ve made sense.

Whatever we decide on we can`t please everyone, that is impossible as there`s no simple solution.

I fall back on my view above in so much as I expect every single participant to play in the correct spirit at all times. Naïve? Yes. Correct view, again yes.

You know, I cannot be bothered, the LRF debacle showed what a selfish minority can achieve and Ashmal shows this up to be a competition I cannot be bothered with.

I'll continue to settle for the next week until a replacement can be found , but am retiring from all competitions as of now.

Thanks for your support Shane, but I am really pssed off by this stupidity and am sorry to leave fellow settlers in the lurch - perhaps Ashmal will offer services to help? If so very good luck to you.

I knew this would happen, I really did

betty - please re-consider for me, if you still feel the same at the end of the week then fair enough. I`m sat here reading the forum and thinking here we go again (losing settlers)

This is my whole point, this is why I`m fairly free and easy and promote fun on here. We as settlers devote quite a lot of time and energy into running things, please remember it`s for the love of the comp and nothing else, nothing. I don`t expect anyone to kiss my arris in return, I don`t expect anything apart from a little respect at times, that`s all.
I`m confident I can speak for the others here.

everything gettin a bit heated here ... steady on chaps

shane, well said that last sturf

bb, don't do it mate ... you are beloved here and well respected for your efforts, tho I differ on the 'selfish minority'

Ashmal, I will be honest, in my div I allow a leeway of one and a half hours. Otherwise I think if people cant be rsed to check for NRs its their loss. But that's my interpretation. bb is perfectly entitled his. It's his div and as the rules clearly indicate, where they do not cover something the div settler is the final arbiter and his decision should be accepted and respected

It's his div and as the rules clearly indicate, where they do not cover something the div settler is the final arbiter and his decision should be accepted and respected.

Without that we have no competition, it would fall apart.

Ashmal - the position is advertised. Go get it.

Well said Reg.
Yes BB let it settle, it does get to you sometimes, I been running a race trip with comps for 20 years and in the early years i used to think why do I bother and felt like packing in many times.
See how you feel in a few days mate you have been doing a splendid job.
As Reg said it is your Division and you do have and have had the final say on this dispute.
In this recent issue if i was settler i would not have accepted it as a non runner, you have and that is not saying i am right or you are wrong it is just saying everybody is different.
Look at Reg he wouldn't give you 2 seconds lee way on the 1 hr rule and i think that is harsh but i respect his stance and totally understand where he is coming from.
Ashmal may have been a little over critical in his remarks but i am sure he regrets that now.

Sorry Pete I like others don't wish bettysboy to jack in as I appreciate the time and effort all the settlers put in however I won't retract from anything I have said. I know others have been deducted in the past so why not on this "one occassion" It has to be the same rule for all divisions imo or it would be like saying that each settler can make their own rules up for their respective divisions would it not?

Ashmal mate, THERE IS NO RULE

non-runners and what you do with them are a matter for individual interpretation

Ash - the settler would take action in the above scenario. Fidway was given the benefit of the doubt after one withdrawn horse.

Ashmal - do the settling then you decide

Ashmal you couldn't do that because you would not be allowed to by any settler IMO.

Like Shane says you cannot cover everything and on the rare occasion when the settler has to make a decision you just have to accept it though i do on this occasion feel you had to raise the point as I would have done so myself in your boots but maybe in a more respectful fashion.
It is maybe Fidway you could be asking some questions i just don't know it is a difficult area.

Shane answer this then Why have others been deducted in the past?? And betty is was not my intention for you to resign I just wanted some answers and consistancy accross the board or so to speak but if you want to  keep telling me to settle (when i've told you i dont do spreadsheets) then carry on spitting your dummy out imo!

the dummy is all yours Ashmal - step up

Pete it would have been nice if "the settler" had read the thread on the 28th where i pointed it out (was going to do it myself but was already a nr) or indeed the pm i sent to them and also the mail that Shane said he had sent him!! No replies whatsoever so that's the bit i cannot understand! If i am meant to be the bad guy for pointing it all out then fk it so be it

betty dont be a pr8tt why did you not answer the pm's / e mail etc?? Would have saved airing in public but hey ho if that's what you want! Also question to ALL settlers .. Does this mean that if ANY competitor spots anything amiss ie late posting / non runners etc etc that we should not highlight it anymore?

Reged has deducted in the past when I haven`t, yes. I fully respect Reg`s decision to settle as he sees fit and so should all those in division 3. I have a slightly different view in so much as I would keep an eye on someone first and more than likely PM them if I suspected any wrong doing, which I have done with similar things with two napsters on separate occasions in the past. There are other things (tactics) let`s say which I`m not too keen on but it`s too difficult to stop.

Like I said, I expect everyone, rightly or wrongly to compete in the correct spirit at all times.

The settlers made a conscious decision to keep things as simple as possible and not to be bogged down by too many rules and regulations which in turn would increase our workload.

Always raise points/issues Ash, I along with the other settlers will always listen. Plus, sometimes we miss things.

Shanelee1966     30 Mar 14 21:24 
Always raise points/issues Ash, I along with the other settlers will always listen. Plus, sometimes we miss things.



Shane that's all i was doing here however it obviously wasn't appreciated

^^^^^Watch him, he's a f*cking troublemaker!^^^^^

Sir Graham Wade     5:00    Kemp