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A new one-off Horse Racing competition, because you know I can't resist. 
This will not start proper until first or second week in September, I am not accepting entries now, I will advertise afresh in August once I've done a trial run
If you commit to this, please be ready to take part over 15 weeks (if you are good enough!), ending by Christmas, one selection per week.
This will not start proper until first or second week in September, I am not accepting entries now, I will advertise afresh in August once I've done a trial run
If you commit to this, please be ready to take part over 15 weeks (if you are good enough!), ending by Christmas, one selection per week.
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Do the tables look ok?
I use the forum pop-up and stretch it to just over half my screen width, some of the lines go double but it looks ok to me. I might ban very long names though
I use the forum pop-up and stretch it to just over half my screen width, some of the lines go double but it looks ok to me. I might ban very long names though
Libertarian - 6.30 Curragh
Think this fella could turn the tables today.
Think this fella could turn the tables today.
| Group 1 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 01.25 | undecided | Ribbons | 3.25 Newm | W | 5/4 | v | 5/4 | L | 6.55 Leic | Curl | bettysboy | -01.00 | 0 | 0 | |||
| 1 | -01.00 | shanelee1966 | Thunder Strike | 4.25 Asc | L | 11/2 | v | 5/1 | L | 6.45 Leop | Mouteab | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | -01.00 | 1 | ||
| 3 | 00.25 | 0 | -01.00 | undecided | Cornish Beau | 8.40 Leic | L | 7/4 | v | 4/1 | W | 9.20 Ham | Limit Up | shanelee1966 | 04.00 | 3 | 03.00 | 4 |
| -02.00 | -01.00 | bettysboy | Zarosa | 7.50 Thir | L | 5/2 | v | 6.30 Curr | Libertarian | Monte Christo | ||||||||
| undecided | v | Monte Christo | ||||||||||||||||
| bettysboy | v | shanelee1966 |
| Group 2 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 02.50 | china castle | The Rectifier | 4.0 Red | W | 5/2 | v | 5/4 | L | 9.10 Kemp | Inka Surprise | GEORGE.B | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | salmon spray | Grandads Horse | 3.30 MR | L | 3/10 | v | 11/10 | L | 7.55 Leop | Edith Cowan | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 6 | 04.13 | 3 | 01.63 | china castle | Paris Rose | 8.40 Newm | W | 13/8 | v | 5/4 | L | 7.15 Newc | Prussian | salmon spray | -01.00 | 0 | -02.00 | 1 |
| 1 | -02.00 | 1 | -01.00 | GEORGE.B | Look On By | 5.30 Muss | L | 7/2 | v | 20/1 | L | 3.15 Newc | Brockwell | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 |
| china castle | v | sixtwosix | ||||||||||||||||
| GEORGE.B | v | salmon spray |
| Group 1 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 01.25 | undecided | Ribbons | 3.25 Newm | W | 5/4 | v | 5/4 | L | 6.55 Leic | Curl | bettysboy | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | shanelee1966 | Thunder Strike | 4.25 Asc | L | 11/2 | v | 5/1 | L | 6.45 Leop | Mouteab | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 3 | 00.25 | 0 | -01.00 | undecided | Cornish Beau | 8.40 Leic | L | 7/4 | v | 4/1 | W | 9.20 Ham | Limit Up | shanelee1966 | 04.00 | 3 | 03.00 | 4 |
| 1 | -02.00 | 1 | -01.00 | bettysboy | Zarosa | 7.50 Thir | L | 5/2 | v | 7/2 | L | 6.30 Curr | Libertarian | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 |
| undecided | v | Monte Christo | ||||||||||||||||
| bettysboy | v | shanelee1966 |
| Group 2 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 02.50 | china castle | The Rectifier | 4.0 Red | W | 5/2 | v | 5/4 | L | 9.10 Kemp | Inka Surprise | GEORGE.B | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | salmon spray | Grandads Horse | 3.30 MR | L | 3/10 | v | 11/10 | L | 7.55 Leop | Edith Cowan | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 6 | 04.13 | 3 | 01.63 | china castle | Paris Rose | 8.40 Newm | W | 13/8 | v | 5/4 | L | 7.15 Newc | Prussian | salmon spray | -01.00 | 0 | -02.00 | 1 |
| 1 | -02.00 | 1 | -01.00 | GEORGE.B | Look On By | 5.30 Muss | L | 7/2 | v | 20/1 | L | 3.15 Newc | Brockwell | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 |
| china castle | v | sixtwosix | ||||||||||||||||
| GEORGE.B | v | salmon spray |
sixtwosix, very sporting of you to go for one in such a competitive race when there were easier pickings. Well done on the place.
Absolute stinker there by Libertarian.
Onwards and upwards.
You won`t be saying that when I start in earnest ud I`ve room for another trophy on my mantelpiece
I`ve room for another trophy on my mantelpiece
Your mantelpiece like the Arsenal trophy cabinet these days Shane
The only trophy I ever won was for ping pong at 16 years I was bloody good, was in clubs/teams around Sheffield, practiced all the time. Went to college and played this Chinese lad who was top dog, first to win five games, I done him 5-3
I was bloody good, was in clubs/teams around Sheffield, practiced all the time. Went to college and played this Chinese lad who was top dog, first to win five games, I done him 5-3
No-one could deal with his serve, severe spin. I adopted a more defensive strategy early in the match and managed to survive the early onslaught.
Is there a rule to stop china castle putting out a weakened tipster in his final game ?
I have this ghastly vision of sixtwosix just having to beat petemac.
I have this ghastly vision of sixtwosix just having to beat petemac.
I don't think this situation of china not needing to try in the final week can be helped really, unless some sort of incentive is given. Possibly if you win the group you get seeded in the next stage, although that still wouldn't help in this case as china castle cannot be caught.
Maybe an additional bonus point for bigger price winners as has been suggested.
Anyway, after this week I'll review the whole thread and try and come up with a final format, keep the comments coming.
Maybe an additional bonus point for bigger price winners as has been suggested.
Anyway, after this week I'll review the whole thread and try and come up with a final format, keep the comments coming.
Bonus point for the biggest price winner in the group. Might keep the interest going if you lose your first 2 matches an can't otherwise qualify.
Seeding sounds a good un UD
Think you now seeing the difference between individual battles versus a group format battle
China can afford to play his alternative selections whilst the fish is squirming for assistance
CC has earned the right - bit like Fergie giving his reserves a run out
Shouldn't be trying to nobble CC but encouraging the others to go for better prices earlier
2 bonus points for biggest winner in group would make selectors think seriously abt the larger ones
Think you now seeing the difference between individual battles versus a group format battle
China can afford to play his alternative selections whilst the fish is squirming for assistance
CC has earned the right - bit like Fergie giving his reserves a run out
Shouldn't be trying to nobble CC but encouraging the others to go for better prices earlier
2 bonus points for biggest winner in group would make selectors think seriously abt the larger ones
Great winner bettysboy
| Group 1 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 01.25 | undecided | Ribbons | 3.25 Newm | W | 5/4 | v | 5/4 | L | 6.55 Leic | Curl | bettysboy | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | shanelee1966 | Thunder Strike | 4.25 Asc | L | 11/2 | v | 5/1 | L | 6.45 Leop | Mouteab | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 3 | 00.25 | 0 | -01.00 | undecided | Cornish Beau | 8.40 Leic | L | 7/4 | v | 4/1 | W | 9.20 Ham | Limit Up | shanelee1966 | 04.00 | 3 | 03.00 | 4 |
| 1 | 1 | -01.00 | bettysboy | Zarosa | 7.50 Thir | L | 5/2 | v | 7/2 | L | 6.30 Curr | Libertarian | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 | |
| undecided | v | Monte Christo | ||||||||||||||||
| 01.00 | 03.00 | bettysboy | Cruiser | 8.15 Ffos | W | 3/1 | v | shanelee1966 |
| Group 1 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 01.25 | undecided | Ribbons | 3.25 Newm | W | 5/4 | v | 5/4 | L | 6.55 Leic | Curl | bettysboy | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | shanelee1966 | Thunder Strike | 4.25 Asc | L | 11/2 | v | 5/1 | L | 6.45 Leop | Mouteab | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 3 | 00.25 | 0 | -01.00 | undecided | Cornish Beau | 8.40 Leic | L | 7/4 | v | 4/1 | W | 9.20 Ham | Limit Up | shanelee1966 | 04.00 | 3 | ||
| 1 | -01.00 | bettysboy | Zarosa | 7.50 Thir | L | 5/2 | v | 7/2 | L | 6.30 Curr | Libertarian | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 | ||
| undecided | v | Monte Christo | ||||||||||||||||
| 3 | 01.00 | 2 | 03.00 | bettysboy | Cruiser | 8.15 Ffos | W | 3/1 | v | 3/1 | W | 8.45 Ffos | Swendab | shanelee1966 | 03.00 | 2 | 06.00 | 6 |
Congratulations shane, you are through to the next round, so to speak
Two nice winners for bettysboy and that dark horse Shane.
Well done lads.
Well done lads.
I'm going to put myself out of my misery
6.10 Stratford - Azure Fly
Thanks.
6.10 Stratford - Azure Fly
Thanks.
Well done salmon
| Group 2 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 02.50 | china castle | The Rectifier | 4.0 Red | W | 5/2 | v | 5/4 | L | 9.10 Kemp | Inka Surprise | GEORGE.B | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | salmon spray | Grandads Horse | 3.30 MR | L | 3/10 | v | 11/10 | L | 7.55 Leop | Edith Cowan | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 6 | 04.13 | 3 | 01.63 | china castle | Paris Rose | 8.40 Newm | W | 13/8 | v | 5/4 | L | 7.15 Newc | Prussian | salmon spray | -01.00 | 0 | 1 | |
| 1 | -02.00 | 1 | -01.00 | GEORGE.B | Look On By | 5.30 Muss | L | 7/2 | v | 20/1 | L | 3.15 Newc | Brockwell | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 |
| china castle | Whitefall | 8.0 Bath | v | sixtwosix | ||||||||||||||
| GEORGE.B | v | 5/4 | W | 6.10 Str | Azure Fly | salmon spray | 01.25 | -00.75 |
Thanks gents.
At least I haven't completely disgraced myself after missing an open goal in the first week.
At least I haven't completely disgraced myself after missing an open goal in the first week.
| Group 2 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 02.50 | china castle | The Rectifier | 4.0 Red | W | 5/2 | v | 5/4 | L | 9.10 Kemp | Inka Surprise | GEORGE.B | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | salmon spray | Grandads Horse | 3.30 MR | L | 3/10 | v | 11/10 | L | 7.55 Leop | Edith Cowan | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 6 | 3 | 01.63 | china castle | Paris Rose | 8.40 Newm | W | 13/8 | v | 5/4 | L | 7.15 Newc | Prussian | salmon spray | -01.00 | 0 | 1 | ||
| 1 | -02.00 | 1 | -01.00 | GEORGE.B | Look On By | 5.30 Muss | L | 7/2 | v | 20/1 | L | 3.15 Newc | Brockwell | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 |
| 03.13 | -01.00 | china castle | Whitefall | 8.0 Bath | L | 3/2 | v | sixtwosix | ||||||||||
| GEORGE.B | v | 5/4 | W | 6.10 Str | Azure Fly | salmon spray | 01.25 | -00.75 |
Well china put his first team out. Right price and it was his nap as well.
Tried my best as always , just ran a shocker 
.
Think sixtwosix will need an odds against winner to overhaul you if George picks a loser.
.Think sixtwosix will need an odds against winner to overhaul you if George picks a loser.
I'm trying to work this out china. My reading is that sixtwosix will have to get an odds-against winner whether I win or GEORGE does. GEORGE obviously has to get one that is longer than 5/4 so if he does he will have 4pts as will I if he doesn't. sixtwosix will have 4 pts if he beats you with an odds-on shot but his P/L won't be as good as the winner of our match so I presume one of us goes through. Of course if he gets one at evens or better he goes through as he has 5 pts.
Phew. I wonder if ud can confirm.
Phew. I wonder if ud can confirm.
sixtwosix needs an evens or better winner to take 2nd with 5 points.
If sixtwosix doesn't pick an evens or better winner than George will get second with a winner bigger than 5-4.
Otherwise you get second salmon.
Think thats right
If sixtwosix doesn't pick an evens or better winner than George will get second with a winner bigger than 5-4.
Otherwise you get second salmon.
Think thats right
Don't want to think about what happens if George comes up with a 5-4 winner and draws with you 
Brave Pick MC, and a good one, fancy that myself so now do I look for a bigger price or "play safe"?
Actually, if we draw then I go through so no point me not going for a bigger price I suppose.
Which just goes to show this comp isn't necessarily about picking shorties, if your opponent is brave then your hand may be forced.
Not even sure this is gonna be bigger than 5-4
Wish I'd known about this 1.30 cut-off time before today
2.55 Albasharah
cheers undecided
Wish I'd known about this 1.30 cut-off time before today
2.55 Albasharah
cheers undecided
| Group 1 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 01.25 | undecided | Ribbons | 3.25 Newm | W | 5/4 | v | 5/4 | L | 6.55 Leic | Curl | bettysboy | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | shanelee1966 | Thunder Strike | 4.25 Asc | L | 11/2 | v | 5/1 | L | 6.45 Leop | Mouteab | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 3 | 00.25 | 0 | -01.00 | undecided | Cornish Beau | 8.40 Leic | L | 7/4 | v | 4/1 | W | 9.20 Ham | Limit Up | shanelee1966 | 04.00 | 3 | ||
| 1 | -01.00 | bettysboy | Zarosa | 7.50 Thir | L | 5/2 | v | 7/2 | L | 6.30 Curr | Libertarian | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 | ||
| undecided | My Kingdom | 4.0 Leic | v | 3.50 San | The Fugue | Monte Christo | ||||||||||||
| 3 | 01.00 | 2 | 03.00 | bettysboy | Cruiser | 8.15 Ffos | W | 3/1 | v | 3/1 | W | 8.45 Ffos | Swendab | shanelee1966 | 03.00 | 2 | 06.00 | 6 |
| Group 2 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 02.50 | china castle | The Rectifier | 4.0 Red | W | 5/2 | v | 5/4 | L | 9.10 Kemp | Inka Surprise | GEORGE.B | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | salmon spray | Grandads Horse | 3.30 MR | L | 3/10 | v | 11/10 | L | 7.55 Leop | Edith Cowan | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 6 | 3 | 01.63 | china castle | Paris Rose | 8.40 Newm | W | 13/8 | v | 5/4 | L | 7.15 Newc | Prussian | salmon spray | -01.00 | 0 | 1 | ||
| 1 | -02.00 | 1 | -01.00 | GEORGE.B | Look On By | 5.30 Muss | L | 7/2 | v | 20/1 | L | 3.15 Newc | Brockwell | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | -02.00 | 2 |
| 03.13 | -01.00 | china castle | Whitefall | 8.0 Bath | L | 3/2 | v | 3.50 San | Mars | sixtwosix | ||||||||
| GEORGE.B | Albasharah | 2.55 Hay | v | 5/4 | W | 6.10 Str | Azure Fly | salmon spray | 01.25 | -00.75 |
| Group 1 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 01.25 | undecided | Ribbons | 3.25 Newm | W | 5/4 | v | 5/4 | L | 6.55 Leic | Curl | bettysboy | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | shanelee1966 | Thunder Strike | 4.25 Asc | L | 11/2 | v | 5/1 | L | 6.45 Leop | Mouteab | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 0 | -01.00 | undecided | Cornish Beau | 8.40 Leic | L | 7/4 | v | 4/1 | W | 9.20 Ham | Limit Up | shanelee1966 | 04.00 | 3 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | bettysboy | Zarosa | 7.50 Thir | L | 5/2 | v | 7/2 | L | 6.30 Curr | Libertarian | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 4 | -00.75 | 1 | -01.00 | undecided | My Kingdom | 4.0 Leic | L | 11/2 | v | 5/1 | L | 3.50 San | The Fugue | Monte Christo | -01.00 | 1 | -03.00 | 3 |
| 3 | 01.00 | 2 | 03.00 | bettysboy | Cruiser | 8.15 Ffos | W | 3/1 | v | 3/1 | W | 8.45 Ffos | Swendab | shanelee1966 | 03.00 | 2 | 06.00 | 6 |
| Group 2 | ||||||||||||||||||
| OvPts | OvPL | Pts | P/L | Player | Selection | Tim/Mt | Res | SP | SP | Res | Tim/Mt | Selection | Player | P/L | Pts | OvPL | OvPts | |
| 3 | 02.50 | china castle | The Rectifier | 4.0 Red | W | 5/2 | v | 5/4 | L | 9.10 Kemp | Inka Surprise | GEORGE.B | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | salmon spray | Grandads Horse | 3.30 MR | L | 3/10 | v | 11/10 | L | 7.55 Leop | Edith Cowan | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 3 | 01.63 | china castle | Paris Rose | 8.40 Newm | W | 13/8 | v | 5/4 | L | 7.15 Newc | Prussian | salmon spray | -01.00 | 0 | ||||
| 1 | -01.00 | GEORGE.B | Look On By | 5.30 Muss | L | 7/2 | v | 20/1 | L | 3.15 Newc | Brockwell | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | ||||
| 7 | 03.13 | 1 | -01.00 | china castle | Whitefall | 8.0 Bath | L | 3/2 | v | 9/2 | L | 3.50 San | Mars | sixtwosix | -01.00 | 1 | -03.00 | 3 |
| 1 | -03.00 | 0 | -01.00 | GEORGE.B | Albasharah | 2.55 Hay | L | 5/4 | v | 5/4 | W | 6.10 Str | Azure Fly | salmon spray | 01.25 | 3 | -00.75 | 4 |
congrats ud but how did you end up winning a point by backing a loser?
aah i've read the rules - i think it is wrong to award a player a point forselecting a loser in the match also selects a loser. Losers lose Winners win.
Well done to the top 2 in both groups.
I'm keeping my powder dry till the biggie starts.
Great idea for a competition ud.
I'm keeping my powder dry till the biggie starts.
Great idea for a competition ud.
thanks MC
bettysboy - I wanted it that way where you could have draws if no-one picks a winner in a match. Ok I'm influenced by the scoring method in football, and this isn't quite the same.
You see it as rewarding picking a loser selection, but I see it as rewarding not losing to your opponent.
I could be wrong, that's what this trial is about.
I'd like your post trial opinions on the scoring.
bettysboy - I wanted it that way where you could have draws if no-one picks a winner in a match. Ok I'm influenced by the scoring method in football, and this isn't quite the same.
You see it as rewarding picking a loser selection, but I see it as rewarding not losing to your opponent.
I could be wrong, that's what this trial is about.
I'd like your post trial opinions on the scoring.
George - yea I did include the first race cut-off on Saturdays in the rules.
I feel there needs to be the distinction between playing early week where you have more choices right up to the off, but open yourself up to showing your hand to your opponent, and waiting for Saturday when you can both play late but blind, in that you can't be sure of your opponents result/price.
I feel there needs to be the distinction between playing early week where you have more choices right up to the off, but open yourself up to showing your hand to your opponent, and waiting for Saturday when you can both play late but blind, in that you can't be sure of your opponents result/price.
Its OK ud, I understand its matchplay, just hadnt read through all the rules and was being lazy.
ud - in the unlikely event that I haven`t already won the trial by now I`m away Friday 12th until Saturday 20th, what would you suggest for next weeks selection? Can I ask Reg to post for me?
I`m away Friday 12th until Saturday 20th, what would you suggest for next weeks selection? Can I ask Reg to post for me?
Oh, hold on... is the next round from this Saturday onwards?
Hi shane, no that was it for the trial, just to get a feel of how the scoring works for a group stage.
As for how I'm going to accommodate holiday cover I don't know if there is an answer because I don't want people posting for others.
As for how I'm going to accommodate holiday cover I don't know if there is an answer because I don't want people posting for others.
I`ll have had mine so anyone who takes a holiday gets eliminated
Cheers ud,
Cheers ud,
Suggestions & notes gathered from trial:
0pts for below evens loser
1pt for above evens loser
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Above evens winner - 3pts
Below evens winner - 2pts
Above evens loser - 1pt
Below evens loser - 0pt
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Possible incentive to post first:
1 Bonus point for posting first if your selection ends up being a bigger price than your opponents
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above evens win - 3 pts
above evens loser - 1 pt
below evens winner - 1 pt
below evens loser - 0 pt
i.e. if you bet below evens and your opponent does not , the best you can get is a draw.
i.e. if both of you bet above evens or both below , either player can win.
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Once you post a selection, you won't be able to change it, unless it's a duplicate or non-runner.
You won't be able to leave reserves.
If there is a tie on pts and P/L and no-one missed a selection, then the next tie-breaker would be who had the bigger odds selections.
Just UK & Ireland races to select from.
I will also insist on players posting their own selections, no posts on behalf of anyone else.
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Next stage seeding for group winners?
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Bonus point (2?) for biggest single winner at the end of group stage
0pts for below evens loser
1pt for above evens loser
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Above evens winner - 3pts
Below evens winner - 2pts
Above evens loser - 1pt
Below evens loser - 0pt
___________________
Possible incentive to post first:
1 Bonus point for posting first if your selection ends up being a bigger price than your opponents
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above evens win - 3 pts
above evens loser - 1 pt
below evens winner - 1 pt
below evens loser - 0 pt
i.e. if you bet below evens and your opponent does not , the best you can get is a draw.
i.e. if both of you bet above evens or both below , either player can win.
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Once you post a selection, you won't be able to change it, unless it's a duplicate or non-runner.
You won't be able to leave reserves.
If there is a tie on pts and P/L and no-one missed a selection, then the next tie-breaker would be who had the bigger odds selections.
Just UK & Ireland races to select from.
I will also insist on players posting their own selections, no posts on behalf of anyone else.
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Next stage seeding for group winners?
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Bonus point (2?) for biggest single winner at the end of group stage
Bonus point for winner 10-1 or above as well as previously stated bonus point for biggest winner in the group. So potential for 2 bonus points .
You need to keep the interest going if somebody loses their first 2 games .
Don't think anything else needs changing or it will get too complicated.
You need to keep the interest going if somebody loses their first 2 games .
Don't think anything else needs changing or it will get too complicated.
Yes, Brucie bonus for
Yes, Brucie bonuses as per china`s suggestion. Good game good game
Yes, Brucie bonuses as per china`s suggestion. Good game good game
I'm not commenting on these people who want extra pts because their pin gets lucky 
What I would point out,a bit belatedly as I have been away all week,is that if GEORGE's had won ( as it should have done as it was also my nap ) it was the same price as mine,with no way of separating us that I can see in the rules. It didn't happen and it won't very often but with 60+ rounds planned I would have thought it probably would at least once. How about rewarding the person who goes first.
What I would point out,a bit belatedly as I have been away all week,is that if GEORGE's had won ( as it should have done as it was also my nap ) it was the same price as mine,with no way of separating us that I can see in the rules. It didn't happen and it won't very often but with 60+ rounds planned I would have thought it probably would at least once. How about rewarding the person who goes first.
So triallists.....Feedback.
What do you feel is the best approach to this?
What do you feel is the best approach to this?
salmon as you rightly point out if George's had been a winner it would be a tie on points and P/L so I posted this earlier in the thread as a possible solution:
If there is a tie on pts and P/L and no-one missed a selection, then the next tie-breaker would be who had the bigger odds selections (winners & losers, cumulative odds).
Or actually the head-head record would be a better tie-breaker after the P/L, although in your case it wouldn't have applied.
I will though consider your suggestion of who posted first.
If there is a tie on pts and P/L and no-one missed a selection, then the next tie-breaker would be who had the bigger odds selections (winners & losers, cumulative odds).
Or actually the head-head record would be a better tie-breaker after the P/L, although in your case it wouldn't have applied.
I will though consider your suggestion of who posted first.
From the feedback given. I'd consider another bonus point, in addition to the Evens winner bonus point
Either
1. for a winner 3/1, 4/1 or 5/1 and over?
2. or for the player with the highest priced winner in the group stage
In our trial, in group 1, I finished above bettysboy by a point, I beat bettys in our match and bettysboy only managed two draws, but did get a nice 3/1 winner in the last match to finish with the better P/L.
An additional point for a 3/1 winner would have taken bettysboy level on points with me but above me on P/L.
I know you can't take this in isolation, it was a bit of a freakish 3/1 draw in that last match, but what do you think?
Either
1. for a winner 3/1, 4/1 or 5/1 and over?
2. or for the player with the highest priced winner in the group stage
In our trial, in group 1, I finished above bettysboy by a point, I beat bettys in our match and bettysboy only managed two draws, but did get a nice 3/1 winner in the last match to finish with the better P/L.
An additional point for a 3/1 winner would have taken bettysboy level on points with me but above me on P/L.
I know you can't take this in isolation, it was a bit of a freakish 3/1 draw in that last match, but what do you think?
Or to keep it simpler, just have the one bonus point for a winner above a certain price, higher than the current Evens, maybe 2/1, and one bonus point for the group's highest priced winner?
Sorry just thinking as I write, one of the things players weren't entirely comfortable with was getting a point for a draw (both players picking losers), where another player lost while picking a winner and got nothing.
My previous suggestion would probably make that worse.
I think the Evens level for the bonus should stay.
My previous suggestion would probably make that worse.
I think the Evens level for the bonus should stay.
Don't think its a problem getting a point when both pick losers , its a group format afterall and thats what makes this competition different than the many others.
ok thanks china, I'm still up for one of the options in my 14:29 post, just that the Evens bonus level should remain.
I think it's best left alone tbh.
I think you have to have a bonus pt for an evens or above selection or the/my tactic would simply be to look for as short a one as I could find.
Otherwise I think it should be matchplay and you don't get an extra point for putting 10 past Andorra nor for birdying a hole if your opponent does too.
I think you have to have a bonus pt for an evens or above selection or the/my tactic would simply be to look for as short a one as I could find.
Otherwise I think it should be matchplay and you don't get an extra point for putting 10 past Andorra nor for birdying a hole if your opponent does too.
Its matchplay - so my opinion is that you win/draw/lose each match. However as Champions League pay financial bonuses for each goal scored, then the equivalent is a tiered points system for the bigger prices. But to keep it simple I suggest +1 extra point for picking a winner above 2/1:
so :
3pts per win
1pt per draw
0pts for lose
+1 extra point for winner above 2/1
so :
3pts per win
1pt per draw
0pts for lose
+1 extra point for winner above 2/1
That's why I think he should keep it simple,but I think the extra point for a winner at evens ( or maybe above ? ) is essential. Otherwise a lot of us will get bogged down with odds-on shots.
Yes further bonus points may needlessly complicate, but maybe the one for best winner in the group, could just keep a few more players in with a chance come the final game of the stage, which not only works for the player concerned but for the whole group as it will help keep more final games "honest".
I'd say the Evens level is ok.
Going back to the tie situation, do you think it should be P/L the first decider or H2H record?
I'd say the Evens level is ok.
Going back to the tie situation, do you think it should be P/L the first decider or H2H record?
ud -just noticed you`re doing well in division 1, hope to see you next month
thanks shane, yes could be 3 promotions in as many months, going through a purple patch.
I will start a new thread recruiting for this, but will post all the details here to see if it reads ok.
Your Competitions Champions League 2013
This is a one-off, Horse Race tipping competition, in the style of the football champions league.
The aim is to get 128 players involved, but we'll see what numbers we get and work from there. If it looks like we'll only get around 64 then I will probably cap it there and we'll start later, missing out the first stage.
If we do get over 64 taking part then the competition will commence 9th September for 15 weeks, ending on 21st December.
If no more than 64 take part then we'll start a week later 16th September, for 12 weeks, ending on 7th December.
Players will be drawn into groups of 4, and each player will play each other once. Each match lasts one week, during which you only make one selection.
For each player that's 3 matches, 3 selections, over 3 weeks per group stage.
Depending on numbers I plan 5 group stages, see the rules section for details.
As it's matchplay, the main thing is to beat your opponents, not who gets the best P/L figures at the end. There is however a bonus point for selecting an Evens and above winner, irrespective of win lose or draw the match, and one more bonus point for best winner in the group. P/L figure may play a part at the end in the case of a tie on pts.
Start is penciled in for Monday 9th September but keep an eye out for a firm date.
If you are interested in joining in, PLEASE I BEG YOU to read the rules thoroughly, and be prepared to take part once a week for 15 weeks between September and Christmas, if good enough of-course! (see holiday cover). There is also a thread where we had a trial run of a group stage, you may wish to have a look through it to get acquainted with how it works although bear in mind we have tweaked the rules a bit since then, basically the same though.
Important - I will only accept selections posted under the player's forum name, i.e no posting for others (exception - see holiday cover section in rules).
I know a few of you post on behalf of friends in other competitions, but due to the matchplay nature of this one I will not accept that here.
Competition Format:
Maximum 128 players (If between 64 and 127 enter then I will adjust the 1st stage to suit)
1st Round (3 weeks) the 1st group stage, 128 players divided into 32 groups of 4. Each player plays each other once (3 matches each).
Top two from each group qualify to round 2.
2nd Round (3 weeks), second group stage, the 64 qualified from round 1 will be divided into 16 groups of 4 and again each player plays each other once, 2 from each group qualify.
3rd Round (3 weeks), next group stage, 32 qualified from 2nd Round are divided into 8 groups of 4, same again, top two qualify.
4th Round (3 weeks), 4th group stage, 16 qualified from 3rd Round are divided into 4 groups of 4, only the winner goes through.
Final Group Stage (3 weeks) - the last 4 standing, 3 final matches each to determine the champion.
Draws will take place on the Sunday before each new group stage, I will need someone's help for this. The plan is for two of us to simultaneously and independently post a full player list, in random order, and a random order group list for that player list to slot into.
Group stage match format:
Within each match, players will be required to pick one horse, win only, any price. You may not pick the same selection as your opponent.
Players can pick any time Monday to Saturday (the duration of the match). Sundays will be for catching up on results and making draws.
There will be a cut-off for all selections on Saturday - the time of the first UK/Irish race. You will have the choice therefore, you can pick at leisure during the week, running the risk of showing your hand to your opponent, or of waiting to play on Saturday to prevent that. During the week, you may select right up to the scheduled race time (one minute before), so you may have the advantage of seeing the market moves. Obviously if you pick a loser early week then you give your opponent a long window to find that odds-on cert, but you may be able to exert extra pressure with a winner.
Once you post a selection, you can't change it, unless it's a duplicate or non-runner.
You are not allowed to leave reserves.
Scoring (Industry SP used for prices):
A match winner will get 2pts, but there will be the possibility of winning a bonus point for making a winning selection on or above the price of Evens, irrespective of winning or losing the match. If a match is drawn, both with the same priced winner, or both losers, then it's 1pt each.
There will also be a chance for one additional bonus point, awarded at the end of the group stage, to the player with the biggest priced winner. If there is a tie for biggest priced winner, the bonus point will not apply.
Possible match scenarios:
Player A picks a winner under evens and Player B picks a loser - Player A gets 2pts, Player B gets 0pts.
Player A picks a winner evens or over and Player B picks a winner under evens - Player A gets 3pts, Player B gets 0pts.
Player A picks a winner evens or over and Player B picks a winner evens or over but a lesser price than Player A - Player A gets 3pts, Player B gets 1pt.
Player A picks a winner evens or over and Player B picks a winner of identical price - Player A gets 2pts, Player B gets 2pts.
Player A picks a loser and Player B picks a loser, or both pick identical winners below Evens - Player A gets 1pt, Player B gets 1pt.
Non-runners:
If a player does not select or picks a duplicate or picks a non-runner (non-runners/duplicates evident before the Saturday cut-off can be replaced) then they will be assigned a selection - Last race fav. (If jt. favs then lowest number on the card). If both players in a match end up with non-runners then it will be 1pt each.
If a player just doesn't turn up for at least one of the three group matches then they are out irrespective of pts gained through assigned LRFs.
Tied on points:
Tie-breakers at the end of group stages as follows:
1. Any player that missed a selection (including picking a duplicate) will be penalised
2. Head to head record between tied players
3. Overall Profit/Loss figure
4. Higher aggregate prices for all three selections
Holiday cover
If you know that you will be away and cannot post for any match, I will accept a post on your behalf as follows:
You must notify in advance of the match that you will not be posting.
You can either email me your selection or
email to someone else to post on your behalf or
nominate someone to select for you.
I will not accept posts on your behalf unless approved by me in advance of the match in question.
This is a one-off, Horse Race tipping competition, in the style of the football champions league.
The aim is to get 128 players involved, but we'll see what numbers we get and work from there. If it looks like we'll only get around 64 then I will probably cap it there and we'll start later, missing out the first stage.
If we do get over 64 taking part then the competition will commence 9th September for 15 weeks, ending on 21st December.
If no more than 64 take part then we'll start a week later 16th September, for 12 weeks, ending on 7th December.
Players will be drawn into groups of 4, and each player will play each other once. Each match lasts one week, during which you only make one selection.
For each player that's 3 matches, 3 selections, over 3 weeks per group stage.
Depending on numbers I plan 5 group stages, see the rules section for details.
As it's matchplay, the main thing is to beat your opponents, not who gets the best P/L figures at the end. There is however a bonus point for selecting an Evens and above winner, irrespective of win lose or draw the match, and one more bonus point for best winner in the group. P/L figure may play a part at the end in the case of a tie on pts.
Start is penciled in for Monday 9th September but keep an eye out for a firm date.
If you are interested in joining in, PLEASE I BEG YOU to read the rules thoroughly, and be prepared to take part once a week for 15 weeks between September and Christmas, if good enough of-course! (see holiday cover). There is also a thread where we had a trial run of a group stage, you may wish to have a look through it to get acquainted with how it works although bear in mind we have tweaked the rules a bit since then, basically the same though.
Important - I will only accept selections posted under the player's forum name, i.e no posting for others (exception - see holiday cover section in rules).
I know a few of you post on behalf of friends in other competitions, but due to the matchplay nature of this one I will not accept that here.
Competition Format:
Maximum 128 players (If between 64 and 127 enter then I will adjust the 1st stage to suit)
1st Round (3 weeks) the 1st group stage, 128 players divided into 32 groups of 4. Each player plays each other once (3 matches each).
Top two from each group qualify to round 2.
2nd Round (3 weeks), second group stage, the 64 qualified from round 1 will be divided into 16 groups of 4 and again each player plays each other once, 2 from each group qualify.
3rd Round (3 weeks), next group stage, 32 qualified from 2nd Round are divided into 8 groups of 4, same again, top two qualify.
4th Round (3 weeks), 4th group stage, 16 qualified from 3rd Round are divided into 4 groups of 4, only the winner goes through.
Final Group Stage (3 weeks) - the last 4 standing, 3 final matches each to determine the champion.
Draws will take place on the Sunday before each new group stage, I will need someone's help for this. The plan is for two of us to simultaneously and independently post a full player list, in random order, and a random order group list for that player list to slot into.
Group stage match format:
Within each match, players will be required to pick one horse, win only, any price. You may not pick the same selection as your opponent.
Players can pick any time Monday to Saturday (the duration of the match). Sundays will be for catching up on results and making draws.
There will be a cut-off for all selections on Saturday - the time of the first UK/Irish race. You will have the choice therefore, you can pick at leisure during the week, running the risk of showing your hand to your opponent, or of waiting to play on Saturday to prevent that. During the week, you may select right up to the scheduled race time (one minute before), so you may have the advantage of seeing the market moves. Obviously if you pick a loser early week then you give your opponent a long window to find that odds-on cert, but you may be able to exert extra pressure with a winner.
Once you post a selection, you can't change it, unless it's a duplicate or non-runner.
You are not allowed to leave reserves.
Scoring (Industry SP used for prices):
A match winner will get 2pts, but there will be the possibility of winning a bonus point for making a winning selection on or above the price of Evens, irrespective of winning or losing the match. If a match is drawn, both with the same priced winner, or both losers, then it's 1pt each.
There will also be a chance for one additional bonus point, awarded at the end of the group stage, to the player with the biggest priced winner. If there is a tie for biggest priced winner, the bonus point will not apply.
Possible match scenarios:
Player A picks a winner under evens and Player B picks a loser - Player A gets 2pts, Player B gets 0pts.
Player A picks a winner evens or over and Player B picks a winner under evens - Player A gets 3pts, Player B gets 0pts.
Player A picks a winner evens or over and Player B picks a winner evens or over but a lesser price than Player A - Player A gets 3pts, Player B gets 1pt.
Player A picks a winner evens or over and Player B picks a winner of identical price - Player A gets 2pts, Player B gets 2pts.
Player A picks a loser and Player B picks a loser, or both pick identical winners below Evens - Player A gets 1pt, Player B gets 1pt.
Non-runners:
If a player does not select or picks a duplicate or picks a non-runner (non-runners/duplicates evident before the Saturday cut-off can be replaced) then they will be assigned a selection - Last race fav. (If jt. favs then lowest number on the card). If both players in a match end up with non-runners then it will be 1pt each.
If a player just doesn't turn up for at least one of the three group matches then they are out irrespective of pts gained through assigned LRFs.
Tied on points:
Tie-breakers at the end of group stages as follows:
1. Any player that missed a selection (including picking a duplicate) will be penalised
2. Head to head record between tied players
3. Overall Profit/Loss figure
4. Higher aggregate prices for all three selections
Holiday cover
If you know that you will be away and cannot post for any match, I will accept a post on your behalf as follows:
You must notify in advance of the match that you will not be posting.
You can either email me your selection or
email to someone else to post on your behalf or
nominate someone to select for you.
I will not accept posts on your behalf unless approved by me in advance of the match in question.
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