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I hope the FA & ITV don't mind, but we are taking advantage of the coincidence that they are drawing 64 balls for the 3rd round of the FA Cup and we just happen to need a similar draw on the same day!

So I will assign all players with a number, 1-64, and as the numbers are drawn for the FA Cup 3rd round, I will post the matches, live, on this thread.
The draw will take place after the live match, approximately 2.30pm I believe.

There will be no further draws for subsequent rounds, it will be Wimbledon style with the path through to the final mapped out. So the first two numbers drawn will be Match 1, 2nd two numbers drawn will be Match 2, and then the winner of Match 1 plays the winner of Match 2 and so on.

I will post a full list of players and draw numbers here when finalized, there's a latest list of confirmed players on the other thread, the numbers you see assigned there won't change.

Perhaps someone would like to price up a market once the draw is made?

I'll post the format & rules here later also.
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Report undecided December 2, 2011 11:34 PM GMT
This will be the format for the competition, it might not be to everyone's liking, but I let's see how it pans out and maybe we can tweak it for any future comp.
It will be mainly NH races, although of-course the weather may have a say in that. (There will be three compulsory races to select from).
The races will be the most competitive available but with an eye on quality too.
SP will not be taken into account, so it's more about finding the winner rather than value, shouldn't be any shorties in the type of race chosen.
I was going to disallow duplicates within each match, however I've had a rethink, to save everyone trawling through all the selections trying to find your opponents, duplicates will be allowed but in the event of a scoring tie on points and same no. of winners/placers, if there is a duplicate selection in the match then the player who posted first will win through.


Players will play each other on a knockout basis.
Each round will take place on a Saturday
Round 1 (last 64) - 10 Dec
Round 2 (last 32) - 17 Dec
Round 3 (last 16) - 7 Jan
Quarter Finals - 14 Jan
Semi Finals - 21 Jan
Final & 3rd place play-off - 28 Jan

I will pick 3 races, on the Thursday/Friday before each round, 2 will be NH and one AW, weather permitting. (This will be increased to 4 races for the semi-finals onwards).
Players will be required to pick one horse from each of those 3 races.
All selections must be in by the time of the first race of that particular round.
Non runners can be replaced only up to the time of the first race.

You will get points for each selection's finishing position down to 4th place.
Winner = 10pts
Runner-up = 6pts
3rd = 4pts
4th = 2pts
Player with most points for all 3 races wins the match.
In the event of a scoring tie, the player with most winners/runners-up/3rd/4th placers in that order, will win through.
Next, if still equal, if there was a duplicate selection in the match then the player posting first will go through.
If that doesn't separate players, or in the event of a 0v0 tie then we'll look at who had most 5th placed selections or 6th etc.
Finally if that still doesn't produce a result then the player who posted their selections first will go through.

Example:
Player A has one winner, one 5th place and one 7th, that's 10pts for the winner and none for the others.
Player B has one 2nd, one 3rd and one 6th, that's 6pts for the 2nd plus 4pts for the 3rd = 10pts.
So it's a tie but Player A will go through because they had the winner.

Another example:
Player A has a 2nd, 4th and 6th, that's 6+2 = 8
Player B has a 2nd, 4th and 5th, that's the same 6+2 = 8
Player B wins because of the better 5th position finisher.


You will be asked to start your post with your match no. & players names.
You can copy it from the list I'll post at the start of the thread, so it will look something like:

Match 25 - undecided v Mully

3.0 Chelt - Best Mate
3.15 Donc - Kauto Star
5.50 Wolves - Zenyatta

Have I forgotten anything? Scared
Report undecided December 3, 2011 11:49 AM GMT
These are the draw numbers, there is one place left for which IntheGroove has first refusal, if not confirmed by the end of the day then look - it's snowing will be no.64.

1.undecided
2.DeSSieReborn
3.Ming_the_Merciless
4.shanelee1966
5.Andrew in Sweden
6.Ricky Santini
7.mr d ferret
8.Fidway
9.pedro39
10.hong kong fooey
11.Moose
12.Oshun Fynanse
13.salmon spray
14.stewpot
15.ryanwe
16.PRODELLBOY
17.Lampus
18.razmos
19.the dealer
20.bettysboy
21.billy onions
22.dukeofpuke
23.DFCIRONMAN
24.FCH
25.dunter1
26.One Shot 2 Shot
27.lester pickit
28.GEORGE.B
29.KBGJ
30.The Grey One
31.mini me
32.cgull
33.shearer2therestcue
34.bally2711
35.bosstipper
36.MALTWHIX
37.hoof hearted
38.de44ek4
39.Ra Nova
40.Tingle Creek
41.twm.
42.Deep Impact
43.THE MUFF FUFFLER
44.unluckyStu
45.book
46.barny
47.harleelin
48.johnn
49.man of many moods
50.krl
51.a bit dizzee
52.fundamentalist
53.platinni
54.Mully
55.Weaver Fish
56.custardcream64
57.bluenose7
58.zipper
59.old applejack
60.The Lord BUSH
61.la mallatiere
62.Grok
63.josh monk
64.
Report salmon spray December 3, 2011 12:10 PM GMT
Lucky 13        Wink
Report undecided December 3, 2011 7:32 PM GMT
I'll be posting the draw, live, here!
Report undecided December 4, 2011 12:39 PM GMT
64. look - it's snowing
Report DeSSieReborn December 4, 2011 2:27 PM GMT
Are we all ready?Happy
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
Ready Happy
Report custardcream64 December 4, 2011 2:30 PM GMT
Grin
Report PRODELLBOY December 4, 2011 2:31 PM GMT
Fire away Excited
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:32 PM GMT
Forum put in "quick" mode Happy
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:32 PM GMT
Stop rabbitting and get on with it!
Report DeSSieReborn December 4, 2011 2:37 PM GMT
I'm posting first every round as there will be a few 0-0 draws Laugh
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:43 PM GMT
26.One Shot 2 Shot v     56.custardcream64
Report custardcream64 December 4, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
Confused
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:44 PM GMT
slow down!
Report DeSSieReborn December 4, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
oh dear josh monk Sad
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:45 PM GMT
30.The Grey One v     22.dukeofpuke
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:46 PM GMT
24.FCH v     25.dunter1
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:47 PM GMT
57.bluenose7 v     27.lester pickit
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:48 PM GMT
51.a bit dizzee v     9.pedro39
Report DeSSieReborn December 4, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
oh dear ryanwe v stewpot Shocked
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:49 PM GMT
16.PRODELLBOY v     61.la mallatiere
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:51 PM GMT
63.josh monk v     2.DeSSieReborn
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:52 PM GMT
29.KBGJ v     52.fundamentalist
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:53 PM GMT
60.The Lord BUSH v     42.Deep Impact
Report DeSSieReborn December 4, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
My heads spinning Crazy
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:55 PM GMT
58.zipper v     33.shearer2therestcue
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:56 PM GMT
I thought I'd keep up lol, I might be a while
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
19.the dealer v    20.bettysboy
Report DeSSieReborn December 4, 2011 2:57 PM GMT
UD that was hard, I don't envy you one bit!!! They seemed a lot quicker than normal MischiefMischief
Report undecided December 4, 2011 2:58 PM GMT
13.salmon spray v     35.bosstipper
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:01 PM GMT
CORRECTION it was 39 not 29 earlier

39.Ra Nova    52.fundamentalist
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:03 PM GMT
8.Fidway v    54.Mully
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:04 PM GMT
18.razmos v    64.look - it's snowing
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
4.shanelee1966 v    44.unluckyStu
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:05 PM GMT
29.KBGJ v     10.hong kong fooey
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
1.undecided v    21.billy onions
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:06 PM GMT
15.ryanwe v     14.stewpot
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:07 PM GMT
53.platinni v     6.Ricky Santini
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
48.johnn v     43.THE MUFF FUFFLER
Report platinni December 4, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
thats the big one ^Cool
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:08 PM GMT
3.Ming_the_Merciless v     38.de44ek4
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:09 PM GMT
49.man of many moods v     7.mr d ferret
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
28.GEORGE.B v     5.Andrew in Sweden
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:10 PM GMT
17.Lampus v     59.old applejack
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
47.harleelin v     45.book
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:11 PM GMT
23.DFCIRONMAN v     62.Grok
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
50.krl v     36.MALTWHIX
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:12 PM GMT
12.Oshun Fynanse v     32.cgull
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:13 PM GMT
40.Tingle Creek v     55.Weaver Fish
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:14 PM GMT
31.mini me v     37.hoof hearted
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
41.twm. V    11.Moose
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:15 PM GMT
34.bally2711 v     46.barny
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:16 PM GMT
And that completes the draw for the 1st Round!
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:18 PM GMT
I'll put it all together a little bit later.
Report PRODELLBOY December 4, 2011 3:19 PM GMT
good work ud
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:42 PM GMT
Match Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Quarter Finals Semi Finals Final
1 One Shot 2 Shot xxxxxxxxxxxxx
custardcream64
2 The Grey One xxxxxxxxxxxxx
dukeofpuke xxxxxxxxxxxxx
3 FCH xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
dunter1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
4 bluenose7 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
lester pickit xxxxxxxxxxxxx
5 a bit dizzee xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
pedro39 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
6 PRODELLBOY xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
la mallatiere xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
7 josh monk xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
DeSSieReborn xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
8 Ra Nova xxxxxxxxxxxxx
fundamentalist xxxxxxxxxxxxx
9 The Lord BUSH xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
Deep Impact xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
10 zipper xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
shearer2therestcue xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
11 the dealer xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
bettysboy xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦          ¦
12 salmon spray xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
bosstipper xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
13 Fidway xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
Mully xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
14 razmos xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
look - it's snowing xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
15 shanelee1966 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
unluckyStu xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
16 KBGJ xxxxxxxxxxxxx
hong kong fooey xxxxxxxxxxxxx
17 undecided xxxxxxxxxxxxx
billy onions xxxxxxxxxxxxx
18 ryanwe xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
stewpot xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
19 platinni xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
Ricky Santini xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
20 johnn xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
THE MUFF FUFFLER xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
21 Ming_the_Merciless xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
de44ek4 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
22 man of many moods xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦          ¦
mr d ferret xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
23 GEORGE.B xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
Andrew in Sweden xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
24 Lampus xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
old applejack xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
25 harleelin xxxxxxxxxxxxx
book xxxxxxxxxxxxx
26 DFCIRONMAN xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
Grok xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
27 krl xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
MALTWHIX xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
28 Oshun Fynance xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
cgull xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
29 Tingle Creek xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Weaver Fish xxxxxxxxxxxxx
30 mini me xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
hoof hearted xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
31 twm. xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Moose xxxxxxxxxxxxx
32 bally2711
barny xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||
Report undecided December 4, 2011 3:43 PM GMT
Would anyone care to form a market? Happy
Report Mully December 4, 2011 3:56 PM GMT
Bottom half of the draw is there for the taking LaughShame I'm in the top.
Report custardcream64 December 4, 2011 5:26 PM GMT
CUSTARDCREAM BOOKMAKERS : MIN BET £ 2 MAX BET £ 5 . WIN ONLY , NO LAYING .

ONE SHOT 2 SHOT : 7/1

JOSH MONK : 8 /1

BOSSTIPPER : 8 /1

10/1 BAR



UNDECIDED 1000/1 Love
Report undecided December 4, 2011 5:40 PM GMT
Wow that's better than the 999/1 on here Happy

cheek Devil
Report Shanelee1966 December 4, 2011 5:45 PM GMT
Are there any penalties for fielding an under-strength team as i`m concentrating on the league Crazy
Report Ming_the_Merciless December 4, 2011 6:30 PM GMT
Reminds me of when Ivan Lendl was seeded number one
at wimbledon.....all the best players ended up at
the bottom half of the draw.....CoolLaugh
Report undecided December 4, 2011 7:28 PM GMT
Ok I'll risk offending someone by putting up the prices Mischief

Match Round 1 Round 2 Round 3 Quarter Finals Semi Finals Final
1 One Shot 2 Shot 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
custardcream64 66/1
2 The Grey One 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
dukeofpuke 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
3 FCH 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
dunter1 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
4 bluenose7 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
lester pickit 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
5 a bit dizzee 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
pedro39 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
6 PRODELLBOY 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
la mallatiere 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
7 josh monk 25/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
DeSSieReborn 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
8 Ra Nova 33/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
fundamentalist 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
9 The Lord BUSH 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
Deep Impact 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
10 zipper 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
shearer2therestcue 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
11 the dealer 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
bettysboy 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦          ¦
12 salmon spray 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
bosstipper 33/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
13 Fidway 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
Mully 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
14 razmos 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
look - it's snowing 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
15 shanelee1966 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
unluckyStu 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
16 KBGJ 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
hong kong fooey 25/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
17 undecided 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
billy onions 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
18 ryanwe 33/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
stewpot 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
19 platinni 40/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
Ricky Santini 40/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
20 johnn 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
THE MUFF FUFFLER 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
21 Ming_the_Merciless 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
de44ek4 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
22 man of many moods 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦          ¦
mr d ferret 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
23 GEORGE.B 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
Andrew in Sweden 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
24 Lampus 33/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
old applejack 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
25 harleelin 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
book 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
26 DFCIRONMAN 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
Grok 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
27 krl 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx          ¦
MALTWHIX 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦          ¦
28 Oshun Fynance 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
cgull 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
29 Tingle Creek 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Weaver Fish 50/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
30 mini me 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx          ¦
hoof hearted 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx xxxxxxx
31 twm. 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Moose 66/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
32 bally2711 66/1
barny 80/1 xxxxxxxxxxxxx
||
Report billy onions December 4, 2011 8:51 PM GMT
I feel you underestimate your chances of getting past the first round ud Shocked
Report salmon spray December 4, 2011 9:07 PM GMT
Humph
salmon 80-1
Lampus 33-1
Confused
Report hong kong fooey December 4, 2011 9:28 PM GMT
UD. I think your odds on me are a bit
skinny.If  the three races were all
class 6 h,caps on the A/W ,i would have
a small investment.I think i am the least
likely from the Thieves stable Grin
Report salmon spray December 4, 2011 9:57 PM GMT
My 3 at 80-1 that are worth an investment

1) the dealer. Handpicked by The Humbugs as known to be a shroodie. In his brief spell in the Naps Tables got £80 profit one month.
2) shearer. Alright another Humbug but a consistent scorer. Retired from The Naps Tables as Premiere League Champion a few months ago.
3) GEORGE B . Not A humbug. But has been doing very well in The Premiereship in recent months without quite winning it.
Not saying they are more likely than Josh Monk or HKF but value is value        Cool
Report GEORGE.B December 4, 2011 10:36 PM GMT
LOL, salmon spray, that'll be my cue to have a shocker this month and be relegated Laugh

Fwiw, here are my 3 against the field at 80-1:

1) salmon spray, because SP is irrelevant and ss usually has a decent win % each month.

2) bettysboy, 'cos he's my team captain and I don't want to be sacked 'cos I didn't put him up at a price Mischief

3) Andrew in Sweden, 'cos now ss has put the mockers on me I can green up when Andrew progresses to the next round Mischief
Report Mully December 5, 2011 11:05 AM GMT
Casting my memory bank back many years some of the players knocking around in the latter stages were...

Ricky Santini, Moose & Book. Mischief
Report undecided December 5, 2011 4:35 PM GMT
I've had a first glance at Saturday's decs, an obvious choice is the big hcap at Cheltenham, the Spinal Research Gold Cup @ 2.30.
Then maybe the 3.20 Donc, the BetVictor Hcap Chase.
As for the AW, I was hoping the Class 2 Hcap at Wolves, the 8.20, would be suitable but there are only 14 declared at the moment, I will wait and see on Thursday, if the field stays double figures that would be first choice, otherwise it's probably the Class 5 first race at Wolves.

My intention is to confirm on Thursday evening.
Report Andrew in Sweden December 5, 2011 7:13 PM GMT
George B, you shouldn't have any problem in the first round, I couldn't tip a wheelbarrow over at the moment ;-)
Report Andrew in Sweden December 5, 2011 7:14 PM GMT
UD, what happens in the event of a non-runner and the poster is unaware and too late to repost ?
Report undecided December 5, 2011 7:55 PM GMT
Fair question, should we substitute a token pick, say no.1 on the racecard or allow one reserve per race (might get a bit messy) or just tough luck?
Not sure, open to suggestions.
Report stewpot December 5, 2011 8:09 PM GMT
Non Runners
I would be happy with No1/topweight solution

If the book is still open value looks to be
Dukeofpuke 80-1
Maltwhiz 80-1
Moose 66-1
Report custardcream64 December 5, 2011 8:14 PM GMT
NON-RUNNERS

Replaced with the FAV [ lowest card no. if jt or co . favs ] ??
Report Andrew in Sweden December 5, 2011 8:36 PM GMT
Replace with fav seems fair enough.

I only asked because i'm away the next 2 weekends, although I can post on a Friday
Report Mully December 5, 2011 10:13 PM GMT
Forgot to ask. Are we keeping the walkover rule? i.e- if your opponent is a no show, as long as you post you're through.
Report undecided December 5, 2011 10:20 PM GMT
Yes Mully.

As for using the FAV as a replacement for non-runners, I'm not so sure, in a format that favours favs, is it fair? Maybe ok, Mully what do you think?
Report Mully December 5, 2011 10:24 PM GMT
You know, thinking back I think I may have substituted the fave come to think of it for non-runners (lowest race card no. for joints etc). It's that long ago but it rings a bell haha.
Still give people the option to come in and substitute their NR right up until the off if they have access to do so though.
Report Deep Impact December 6, 2011 2:59 PM GMT
If successfully negotiating what is an admittedly tricky 1st round tie, the 40/1 available on platinni will look huge imo
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