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Race 6 - Boylesports.com Gold Cup - 2.25 Cheltenham Sat 12 Dec

Cut-off time for selections - 1.55 Saturday


The Rules:

The competition will cover 30 (or so) of the most competitive races of the NH season.
A thread on which selections can be posted will be put up a couple of days before the race and selections can be made up to 1/2hr before race time.

Players are given 2 stake points per race.
Players can use the 2pts on 1 selection or share the 2pts between 2 selections, 1pt each.
Points will be awarded based on each selections finishing position down to 5th place.
Results will be settled at SP.

1st place will get stake x 10 x price
2nd place will get stake x 5 x price
3rd place will get stake x 3 x price
4th place will get stake x 2 x price
and 5th place will get stake x 1 x price

Non-runners:
If you choose one selection, please nominate a reserve just in case of late withdrawal.
If you choose two selections and one is a non-runner, your 2pts will go on the remaining selection, unless you left a reserve.
In either case you can replace a non-runner as normal up to the 1/2hr cut-off time.
If you make a selection with no reserve, and it doesn't run, your 2pts will go on the favourite (in case of jt or co favs then the 2pts will go on the one which is highest in the hcap)

In the event of dispute, my decision will be final.

Anyone welcome to join at any time.


The following is a list of the intended races in the comp, they may change at relatively short notice so please check:

****Notice change of plan - King George dropped for Paddy Power Chase next day - should be more in keeping with our type of race!

Boylesports.com Gold Cup Chase - Cheltenham 12 Dec
Ladbroke Handicap Hurdle - Ascot 19 Dec
****Paddy Power Chase - Leopardstown 27 Dec****
Coral Welsh National - Chepstow 28 Dec
Pierse Hurdle - Leopardstown Jan
Thyestes Chase - Gowran Park Jan
??? - 16 Jan
??? - 23 Jan
Cheltenham or Doncaster - 30 Jan
??? - 6 Feb
totesport Trophy Hurdle - Newbury 13 Feb
??? - 20 Feb
Racing Post Chase - Kempton - 27 Feb
Greatwood Gold Cup Chase - Newbury 6 Mar
Imperial Cup - Sandown 13 Mar
??? - Cheltenham 16 Mar
??? - Cheltenham 17 Mar
??? - Cheltenham 18 Mar
??? - Cheltenham 19 Mar
Irish Grand National - Fairyhouse 5 Apr
??? - Aintree 8 Apr
Topham Chase - Aintree 9 Apr
Grand National - Aintree 10 Apr
Scottish National - Ayr 17 Apr
Bet365 Gold Cup - Sandown 24 Apr
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Report undecided • December 10, 2009 2:23 PM GMT
After Race 5:

400.00 First and Goal at the One
369.33 general custer
310.83 khyber kim
310.00 Red Hand
310.00 stephaniebot
300.50 scoop6winner
278.00 Playschool
276.00 The Fruity Kiwi and his Gerbil
273.83 adamanty
261.50 mr d ferret

246.00 Kalanisi
239.50 THE**FUFFLER
239.00 motseel
232.33 charliet2
231.33 BJG
221.00 Giddy
221.00 Weaver Fish
213.67 bosstipper
208.00 runandskip
200.00 DFCIRONMAN

191.67 valuescope
168.00 DeSSieReborn
168.00 Glengarry Glen Ross
167.00 AEG
164.67 turnip turns
163.50 Cranedo
162.00 undecided
160.00 mini me
158.00 downallstar
155.50 Far From Trouble

149.00 mikeeboy
149.00 TEN2FOLLOWER
146.00 turtleshead
145.00 foxy
142.00 jimnast
135.00 pedro39
134.67 bettysboy
134.00 hoof hearted
130.67 polo minx
130.50 look - it's snowing

124.00 Reg Blood
117.50 josh monk
116.00 fundamentalist
110.00 book
110.00 Caulkhead
110.00 pmt
110.00 toon4eva
109.00 TD_Gunner
108.83 Oshun Fynanse
103.00 Happybacker

98.00 jetodd
92.50 dunter1
91.00 richardf
90.00 sixtwosix
89.00 Monte Christo
88.67 FCH
88.00 woodworm
85.00 askari1
84.00 abbott
80.00 EuropeanBob
80.00 platinni
80.00 Teddy Sheringham
79.00 stewpot
77.67 Hoss
74.17 dukeofpuke
70.00 hemsby
68.00 ronsk
62.67 madhatter
56.67 alist5.
55.83 Aquarius
55.00 Ken O'sback
55.00 MALTWHIX
55.00 SteveBowers
54.00 panglima
54.00 trev w
52.00 Academic Rambler
51.67 bally2711
51.50 apieceofcake
46.33 FOREST OF DEAN
45.67 gart
42.00 Charlton2005
37.33 onthenoseinfo
34.00 Moose
32.00 ribbons
30.67 PRODELLBOY
27.00 Zach_Thomas54
24.00 Missbossladysue
22.67 Deep Impact
20.17 Mully
12.00 bigben
9.00 ben10
0.00 alexmct
0.00 amaru
0.00 custardcream64
0.00 Sing when ur winning
Report BJG • December 10, 2009 4:15 PM GMT
1pt Poquelin
1pt Skys The Limit

Reserve: Chapoturgeon
Report valuescope • December 10, 2009 9:45 PM GMT
Skys The Limit
Report motseel • December 11, 2009 12:58 AM GMT
tamarindbleu
if nr from dawn til dusk
Report general custer • December 11, 2009 7:25 AM GMT
razor royal 2pts
res poquelin
Report Mully • December 11, 2009 11:00 AM GMT
Tamarinbleu
Stan


1pt each tar!
Report Cranedo • December 11, 2009 12:53 PM GMT
2 Pts Atouchbetweenacara

Res: Poquelin
Report turnip turns • December 11, 2009 1:25 PM GMT
1pt Poquelin
1pt Razor Royale
Report hemsby • December 11, 2009 1:48 PM GMT
1 pt Jayo
1 pt Idole First

..............ty
Report bosstipper • December 11, 2009 2:34 PM GMT
jayo 2pts bosstipper

mount oscar 2pts bally2711
Report Far From Trouble • December 11, 2009 2:56 PM GMT
2pts Tamarinbleu please

cheers :)
Report Giddy • December 11, 2009 3:10 PM GMT
Atouchbetweenacara
Tamarinbleu

1pt each pls
Report EuropeanBob • December 11, 2009 3:41 PM GMT
Razor Royale

2pt please, ta
Report pmt • December 11, 2009 3:47 PM GMT
2pts chapoturgeon
Report onthenoseinfo • December 11, 2009 4:14 PM GMT
1pt Chapo
1pt Hold'em

good luck all
Report scoop6winner. • December 11, 2009 4:39 PM GMT
Razor Royale 2pt
ty
Report Aquarius • December 11, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
Chapoturgeon
Atouchbetweenacara
Report apieceofcake • December 11, 2009 5:01 PM GMT
2 points Hold em

ta
Report Hoss • December 11, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
Jayo
Skys The Limit

thanks
Report dunter1 • December 11, 2009 6:15 PM GMT
Skippers Brig
Tamarin Bleu
Jayo RES

Cheers UD
B-)
Report gart • December 11, 2009 6:34 PM GMT
Chapoturgeon 2pts
ta.
Report AEG • December 11, 2009 6:46 PM GMT
Skys The Limit

Thanks
Report woodworm • December 11, 2009 7:17 PM GMT
I'll enter before the cut off point this week, missed out on 160 points last week!

2pts Chapoturgeon please
Report Red Hand • December 11, 2009 7:28 PM GMT
2 pts Atouchbetweenacara
Report Weaver Fish • December 11, 2009 7:31 PM GMT
SKIPPERS BRIG 2 PTS
Report pedro39 • December 11, 2009 7:40 PM GMT
From dawn to dusk 2pts

cheers
Report alexmct • December 11, 2009 7:43 PM GMT
2pts Atouchbetweenacara

Thanks ud
Report Deep Impact • December 11, 2009 7:49 PM GMT
Poquelin
Razor Royale

1pt each, Cheers ud :)
Report TD_Gunner • December 11, 2009 8:03 PM GMT
1pt Atouchbetweenacara
1pt Poquelin

Cheers.
Report madhatter • December 11, 2009 8:33 PM GMT
Tamarinbleu please ud. Thanks, Mad.
Report stephaniebot • December 11, 2009 8:38 PM GMT
Skippers Brig
Mount Oscar

Res Atouchbetweenacara
Report DeSSieReborn • December 11, 2009 9:42 PM GMT
Skys The Limit 2 pts
Report THE MUFF FUFFLER • December 11, 2009 10:00 PM GMT
Skippers Brig
Poquelin
1pt each thx
Report turtleshead • December 11, 2009 10:06 PM GMT
2 pts
Atouchbetweenacara
Report runandskip • December 11, 2009 10:08 PM GMT
2 pts From Dusk To Dawn
Report First and Goal at the One • December 11, 2009 10:15 PM GMT
2 pts Idole First
Report Zach_Thomas54 • December 11, 2009 10:19 PM GMT
2 pts Skippers Brig
Report Kalanisi • December 11, 2009 11:14 PM GMT
Razor Royale 2 pts

Thanks.
Report FOREST OF DEAN • December 12, 2009 12:51 AM GMT
Hold Em
Poquelin
Report Glengarry Glen Ross • December 12, 2009 6:20 AM GMT
Mount Oscar 2pts
if abs
Razor Royale
gl all
Report ribbons • December 12, 2009 6:43 AM GMT
from dawn to dusk 2pts
Report foxy • December 12, 2009 8:04 AM GMT
jimnast tamarinbleu

foxy skippers brig

thank you
Report Reg Blood • December 12, 2009 8:14 AM GMT
Tamarinbleu
Razor Royale

Thanks
Report Happybacker • December 12, 2009 8:16 AM GMT
2pts Gwanako

Cheers
Report TEN2FOLLOWER • December 12, 2009 8:18 AM GMT
2pts Mount Oscar please.
Report adamanty • December 12, 2009 8:30 AM GMT
Chapoturgeon.
Hold Em.
1 point on each.
Res:..Jayo.
Report ronsk • December 12, 2009 8:41 AM GMT
2 pts Poquelin
Report hoof hearted • December 12, 2009 8:59 AM GMT
2pts Mount Oscar
thanks
Report Moose • December 12, 2009 9:23 AM GMT
Tamarinbleu
Bible Lord

1pt each thanks
Report josh monk • December 12, 2009 9:48 AM GMT
tamarinbleu
from dawn to dusk

1 pt each, please.
Report Oshun Fynanse • December 12, 2009 9:53 AM GMT
poquelin
bible lord
point each cheers...
Report charliet2 • December 12, 2009 10:03 AM GMT
1 pt Stan
1 pt Idole First
Report sixtwosix • December 12, 2009 10:19 AM GMT
Poquelin & Atouchbetweenacara , thanks.
Report FCH • December 12, 2009 10:28 AM GMT
Jayo

Reserve - Razor Royale
Thanks
Report look - it's snowing • December 12, 2009 10:30 AM GMT
Skippers Brig


for Caulkhead

Atouchbetweenacara
:p


for Fruity Kiwi and his Gerbil

Mount Oscar
;)
Report mr d ferret • December 12, 2009 10:34 AM GMT
2pts Tamarinbleu
cheers
Report trev w • December 12, 2009 10:38 AM GMT
stan
dusktill dawn
Report Ken O'sback • December 12, 2009 10:44 AM GMT
Jayo
Razor Royale

1pt each please UD
Report bettysboy • December 12, 2009 10:45 AM GMT
Hold Em, please
Report PRODELLBOY • December 12, 2009 10:48 AM GMT
Atouchbetweenacara 2pts

Thanks ud
Report Monte Christo • December 12, 2009 10:55 AM GMT
Razor Royale
Hold Em

1 pt each.Thanks UD and gl.
Report jenxthefish • December 12, 2009 11:02 AM GMT
for dukeofpuke

razor royale 1pt
skippers brig 1 pt
Report DFCIRONMAN • December 12, 2009 11:17 AM GMT
Sky's The Limit 2 points


Thanks UD
Report undecided • December 12, 2009 11:26 AM GMT
From Dawn To Dusk
Our Vic

res.
Poquelin
Report book • December 12, 2009 11:30 AM GMT
hold em 2pts,cheers
Report Teddy Sheringham • December 12, 2009 11:39 AM GMT
chapoturgeon 2pts
Report downallstar • December 12, 2009 11:40 AM GMT
Poquelin 1pt win
Skys The Limit 1pt win
Report platinni • December 12, 2009 11:41 AM GMT
mount oscar
tamarinbleu
Report jetodd • December 12, 2009 11:44 AM GMT
1pt Razor Royale
1pt Sky's The Limit

Cheers
Report Sing when ur winning • December 12, 2009 11:52 AM GMT
2pts Jayo
Report alist5. • December 12, 2009 11:53 AM GMT
poquelin
Report custardcream64 • December 12, 2009 11:55 AM GMT
Stan 1pt
Idole first 1pt .
cheers cc .
Report mini me • December 12, 2009 11:55 AM GMT
.

mini me:

Hold Em

polo minx:

Skippers Brig

Cheers
B-)
Report Playschool • December 12, 2009 12:09 PM GMT
1pt Mount Oscar
1pt Hold Em
Thank you
Report stewpot • December 12, 2009 12:20 PM GMT
Mount Oscar
if abs
Skippers Brig thx UD
Report amaru • December 12, 2009 12:30 PM GMT
2pts Skippers Brig.

Thanks and good luck all.
Report khyber kim • December 12, 2009 12:49 PM GMT
2pts Poquelin Ta.
Report Charlton2005 • December 12, 2009 12:51 PM GMT
2 pts Skipper's Brig

TY
Report fundamentalist • December 12, 2009 12:58 PM GMT
poquelin plse
Report undecided • December 12, 2009 1:05 PM GMT
Entries closed at 1.55, sorry fundy.
Report fundamentalist • December 12, 2009 1:31 PM GMT
:(
Report scoop6winner. • December 12, 2009 3:20 PM GMT
After the first month or so its apparent that its not always the best option to select the winner of the big race as the points given for placed horses far out weighs the points given for selecting the winner.

a bigger margin for backing the winner of these BIG RACES should be employed, with the emphisis on skill rather than picking a lively outsider beaten out of sight but still picking up more points than the skill of the man backing the winner.

example

1st 6/1 x 10 x2pt =120
2nd 11/1 x 5x 2pt =110
3rd 33/1 x 3 x 2pt =198

Any thoughts UD
Report scoop6winner. • December 12, 2009 3:25 PM GMT
And yes i would of selected poqulin for todays race but with the weight of money the horse was always going to start a lot shorter than Razor Royale so i selected the horse which was going to get me a larger amount of points even though it did not win!!!
Report undecided • December 12, 2009 3:32 PM GMT
Thanks for the comments, I certainly welcome such feedback, I try and go with what I think is best then if no-one shouts up I assume it's ok.

What do others think?

As for today's scores I'm a bit short of time so it may be tomorrow before I get around to doing the table.
Report fundamentalist • December 12, 2009 4:04 PM GMT
scoring system fine, just need to relax the 30 min rule to 25 imo ;)
Report scoop6winner. • December 12, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
I think giving points down to 5th place is wrong!

running side by side with the official bookmaker payout terms (3rd/4th place) and giving a bigger win bonus(you cant get 1/2 the payout terms for finishing 2nd or a 1/3 for finishing third and so on...as you end up rewarding mediocrity!!! and i am a great believer that 2nd is knowhere

maybe

1st price x10 x pt
2nd price x 2 x pt
3rd price x1 x pt
4th price x 1 x pt

this puts a litte more emphisis on backing the winner...
just a thought...what u think....
Report custardcream64 • December 12, 2009 4:10 PM GMT
UD - Regarding the scoring system and the point raised by Scoop.
After 6 races of this compy most of the winners have been well fancied and in single figures i think .
I'm sure as we go on there will be some big price winners to outweigh the big priced placed horses and so therefore i think the scoring system is fine as it is .cc .
Report scoop6winner. • December 12, 2009 4:25 PM GMT
But surely custard its about picking the winner irrespective of the price?

you can only pick one horse to win a race...rather than have a stab in the dark with an outsider just because it a bigger price...?

and if i did select one at a much bigger price its because i think it will win..
Report TEN2FOLLOWER • December 12, 2009 4:40 PM GMT
I like the current scoring system.
Besides which, the time to discuss possible changes to this is when a season i.e a comp, is about to start. Not partway through.
Report scoop6winner. • December 12, 2009 4:49 PM GMT
Only an observation and any change would obviously have to start in a new comp.
obviously you are not v good a big race winners if you think the current system is fine but thats upto UD...
Report scoop6winner. • December 12, 2009 4:54 PM GMT
you could have a race where 100/1 shot is beaten 200 length and finishes 5th and you get the same points as the 5/1 winner does, is that right or am i missing summat?...
Report undecided • December 12, 2009 5:18 PM GMT
scoop6winner, I'm afraid I don't have time now to get into a deep discussion on it but I will just say that when I started the comp a few years back we did do it on SP industry EW terms. The trouble was, someone got a few big price winners early on and virtually killed interest in the comp by half-way.

I believe the current points system whilst perhaps not being true to life, does make for a more exciting comp. That's not to say it couldn't do with some tweaking on the points.

As for your equating a well beaten 100/1 5th to 5/1 winner, well it's just as likely that in these types of competitive races a 100/1 5th will be within a few lengths of the winner and just as worthy of the points.

You've stated you are winner or nothing kind of person, fair enough, lots aren't and this is only a game at the end of the day.

Anyway, as regards your request for changing points structure I'm open to further opinions.

cheers :)
Report Red Hand • December 12, 2009 10:24 PM GMT
Scoring system fine as it is. Thanks for all your hard work UD.
Report stephaniebot • December 12, 2009 10:30 PM GMT
I like the scoring system as it is too. Dont have enough clue what I'm doing if too much emphasis is put on winners
Report scoop6winner. • December 13, 2009 8:32 AM GMT
Thanks UD for the time to reply i understand that you have been doing this for years and there is a need to keep the competition competitive for the whole season...

onwards and upwards.......
Report DeSSieReborn • December 13, 2009 3:17 PM GMT
Variety is the spice of life and this comp is just that, variety. UD its a brilliant formula for creating a fun competition, and it should, in my humble opinion, remain as it is. :)
Report valuescope • December 13, 2009 5:17 PM GMT
Keep it as it is i do well lol :)
Report undecided • December 13, 2009 7:03 PM GMT
Race 6 results and points allocations:

1. Poquelin 7/2 x 10pts x stake
2. Razor Royale 8/1 x 5pts x stake
3. Skipper's Brig 15/2 x 3pts x stake
4. Chapoturgeon 13/2 x 2pts x stake
5. Jayo 20/1 x 1pts x stake

4 of you with max pts on the 2nd, then Deep Impact & turnip turns got the 1-2 & 3 more players with 2pts on the winner, well done all.

80.00 EuropeanBob
80.00 general custer
80.00 Kalanisi
80.00 scoop6winner
75.00 Deep Impact
75.00 turnip turns
70.00 alist5.
70.00 khyber kim
70.00 ronsk
62.50 dukeofpuke
60.00 Ken O'sback
57.50 THE**FUFFLER
45.00 amaru
45.00 Charlton2005
45.00 foxy
45.00 look - it's snowing
45.00 polo minx
45.00 Weaver Fish
45.00 Zach_Thomas54
40.00 bosstipper
40.00 FCH
40.00 jetodd
40.00 Monte Christo
40.00 Reg Blood
40.00 Sing when ur winning
35.00 BJG
35.00 downallstar
35.00 FOREST OF DEAN
35.00 Oshun Fynanse
35.00 sixtwosix
35.00 TD_Gunner
26.00 gart
26.00 pmt
26.00 Teddy Sheringham
26.00 woodworm
22.50 dunter1
22.50 stephaniebot
20.00 hemsby
20.00 Hoss
13.00 adamanty
13.00 Aquarius
13.00 onthenoseinfo

0.00 AEG
0.00 alexmct
0.00 apieceofcake
0.00 bally2711
0.00 bettysboy
0.00 book
0.00 Caulkhead
0.00 charliet2
0.00 Cranedo
0.00 custardcream64
0.00 DeSSieReborn
0.00 DFCIRONMAN
0.00 Far From Trouble
0.00 First and Goal at the One
0.00 Giddy
0.00 Glengarry Glen Ross
0.00 Happybacker
0.00 hoof hearted
0.00 jimnast
0.00 josh monk
0.00 madhatter
0.00 mini me
0.00 Moose
0.00 motseel
0.00 mr d ferret
0.00 Mully
0.00 pedro39
0.00 platinni
0.00 Playschool
0.00 PRODELLBOY
0.00 Red Hand
0.00 ribbons
0.00 runandskip
0.00 stewpot
0.00 TEN2FOLLOWER
0.00 The Fruity Kiwi and his Gerbil
0.00 trev w
0.00 turtleshead
0.00 undecided
0.00 valuescope
Report undecided • December 13, 2009 7:15 PM GMT
general custer moves into the lead, scoop6winner is up 2 places to 4th, Kalanisi joins the top ten in 6th and The M U FF FUFFLER is up to 8th!

Next Saturday it's the Ladbroke Hurdle, followed by the Paddy Power Chase & Welsh National after Christmas.

449.33 general custer
400.00 First and Goal at the One
380.83 khyber kim
380.50 scoop6winner
332.50 stephaniebot
326.00 Kalanisi
310.00 Red Hand
297.00 THE**FUFFLER
286.83 adamanty
278.00 Playschool

276.00 The Fruity Kiwi and his Gerbil
266.33 BJG
266.00 Weaver Fish
261.50 mr d ferret
253.67 bosstipper
239.67 turnip turns
239.00 motseel
232.33 charliet2
221.00 Giddy
208.00 runandskip

200.00 DFCIRONMAN
193.00 downallstar
191.67 valuescope
190.00 foxy
175.67 polo minx
175.50 look - it's snowing
168.00 DeSSieReborn
168.00 Glengarry Glen Ross
167.00 AEG
164.00 Reg Blood

163.50 Cranedo
162.00 undecided
160.00 EuropeanBob
160.00 mini me
155.50 Far From Trouble
149.00 mikeeboy
149.00 TEN2FOLLOWER
146.00 turtleshead
144.00 TD_Gunner
143.83 Oshun Fynanse

142.00 jimnast
138.00 jetodd
138.00 ronsk
136.67 dukeofpuke
136.00 pmt
135.00 pedro39
134.67 bettysboy
134.00 hoof hearted
129.00 Monte Christo
128.67 FCH

126.67 alist5.
125.00 sixtwosix
117.50 josh monk
116.00 fundamentalist
115.00 dunter1
115.00 Ken O'sback
114.00 woodworm
110.00 book
110.00 Caulkhead
110.00 toon4eva

106.00 Teddy Sheringham
103.00 Happybacker
97.67 Deep Impact
97.67 Hoss
91.00 richardf
90.00 hemsby
87.00 Charlton2005
85.00 askari1
84.00 abbott
81.33 FOREST OF DEAN

80.00 platinni
79.00 stewpot
72.00 Zach_Thomas54
71.67 gart
68.83 Aquarius
62.67 madhatter
55.00 MALTWHIX
55.00 SteveBowers
54.00 panglima
54.00 trev w

52.00 Academic Rambler
51.67 bally2711
51.50 apieceofcake
50.33 onthenoseinfo
45.00 amaru
40.00 Sing when ur winning
34.00 Moose
32.00 ribbons
30.67 PRODELLBOY
24.00 Missbossladysue
20.17 Mully
12.00 bigben
9.00 ben10
0.00 alexmct
0.00 custardcream64
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