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Thinking about the real lasting global stars, so often the vocals alone are just part of the package.
When did the UK last produce a Michael Jackson? A Prince? A Madonna?
Cher got back on track with her performances last night. She really does command the stage like nobody else I've ever seen on the X Factor.
One problem she had before this week was Dannii minogue who was pushing her constantly to gradually drop the rapping, dancing, and general 'magic' to focus mainly on singing. That led to the 'imagine disaster'.
Cher dressed like a choirgirl sitting on a stair like kermit's nephew, but even ms Minogue has now realised that was the wrong direction and is now simply giving Cher useful (objective) feedback on her performances.
For me this makes Cher dangerous for the first time in a while because the (disastrous) idea of limitting her SHOWMANSHIP (by trying to make her appeal to a wider audience) has been abandoned thankfully.
And Cowell genuinely likes her (as opposed to 'professionally' liking 1D and Rebecca). He sees some of himself in her attitude I suspect. 30s+ a massive price surely.
When did the UK last produce a Michael Jackson? A Prince? A Madonna?
Cher got back on track with her performances last night. She really does command the stage like nobody else I've ever seen on the X Factor.
One problem she had before this week was Dannii minogue who was pushing her constantly to gradually drop the rapping, dancing, and general 'magic' to focus mainly on singing. That led to the 'imagine disaster'.
Cher dressed like a choirgirl sitting on a stair like kermit's nephew, but even ms Minogue has now realised that was the wrong direction and is now simply giving Cher useful (objective) feedback on her performances.
For me this makes Cher dangerous for the first time in a while because the (disastrous) idea of limitting her SHOWMANSHIP (by trying to make her appeal to a wider audience) has been abandoned thankfully.
And Cowell genuinely likes her (as opposed to 'professionally' liking 1D and Rebecca). He sees some of himself in her attitude I suspect. 30s+ a massive price surely.
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never mind al least u got ur hols in cos u wont be getting any off cher
George best playing footy and who will win the x factor are 2 totally different situations.
George got away with his antics because he delivered when he had to.
These x factor contestants have to deliver as well,and some are not,all the little things like the smoking,the boozing,the"im a bit of a bum" comments.
It all counts at the end,being in the pop business is not all tea and buns.
They want someone not only with talent and public appeal,but someone that has the right attitude,someone that will apply themselves to the job.
Can we put Matt in that category,its a big fat no,"im a bit of a bum",tell the world,why should Cowell give a lazy bum a high paid position?
I think Matts cut his own throat,hes only still in because the ones that have been knocked out were total sh*te.
George got away with his antics because he delivered when he had to.
These x factor contestants have to deliver as well,and some are not,all the little things like the smoking,the boozing,the"im a bit of a bum" comments.
It all counts at the end,being in the pop business is not all tea and buns.
They want someone not only with talent and public appeal,but someone that has the right attitude,someone that will apply themselves to the job.
Can we put Matt in that category,its a big fat no,"im a bit of a bum",tell the world,why should Cowell give a lazy bum a high paid position?
I think Matts cut his own throat,hes only still in because the ones that have been knocked out were total sh*te.
George got away with his antics because he delivered when he had to.
The thing that I've not seen mentioned much but which Cowell will definitely have picked up on is Cher's reliability at delivering 'in the moment'
It's documented that's she's had issues in rehearsals... missing lines, having panics etc but when the spotlight hits at 8pm+ on Saturday she always nails it.
Even if what she's nailing is a bad choice e.g. 'imagine'
Where I'd disagree with you is that Matt has also delivered pretty consistently. I don't want him to win but as things stand right now, I think he will.
That doesn't mean that Cher can't pull out the stops and beat him because it's clear she is the only one in there who CAN 'surprise' and still has cards to play.
The thing that I've not seen mentioned much but which Cowell will definitely have picked up on is Cher's reliability at delivering 'in the moment'
It's documented that's she's had issues in rehearsals... missing lines, having panics etc but when the spotlight hits at 8pm+ on Saturday she always nails it.
Even if what she's nailing is a bad choice e.g. 'imagine'
Where I'd disagree with you is that Matt has also delivered pretty consistently. I don't want him to win but as things stand right now, I think he will.
That doesn't mean that Cher can't pull out the stops and beat him because it's clear she is the only one in there who CAN 'surprise' and still has cards to play.
247
Ok fair enough. I disagree myself though.
I think Matts cut his own throat,hes only still in because the ones that have been knocked out were total sh*te.
Ok fair enough. I disagree myself though.
I think Matts cut his own throat,hes only still in because the ones that have been knocked out were total sh*te.
Well they were sh*te,Katie the drama queen,Paije the screacher,Aidan the brick chewer,ffs they were struggling so badly to find acts this year,they had to bring some back.
That Aidan was a total head case.
That Aidan was a total head case.
i don't think lou's saying they weren't rubbish, more that then being rubbish isn't the reason matt is still in. he's still in because he's actually quite good?
More i think about this,more i think Cher must be an absolute certainty,shes the only marketable act that is gaurenteed to get better.
I think come the semi final Cowells going to be talking her up so much,her price is going to collapse.
He knows his own act are'nt really cutting it,they might be ok in 2/3 years,but with the likes of take that and jls already out there,theres absolutely no place at all in the market for One Direction.
Cher is 100% totally original,a rough diamond,i can gaurentee she wont be doing all this rap when she gets a deal.
Look how jls changed,ffs,they were ok at best in the x factor,but theyre 10 times better now.
Cowell will be thinking if that Justin Beiber can make it huge,Chers going to be the next Madonna,shes miles better than that ponce.
I think come the semi final Cowells going to be talking her up so much,her price is going to collapse.
He knows his own act are'nt really cutting it,they might be ok in 2/3 years,but with the likes of take that and jls already out there,theres absolutely no place at all in the market for One Direction.
Cher is 100% totally original,a rough diamond,i can gaurentee she wont be doing all this rap when she gets a deal.
Look how jls changed,ffs,they were ok at best in the x factor,but theyre 10 times better now.
Cowell will be thinking if that Justin Beiber can make it huge,Chers going to be the next Madonna,shes miles better than that ponce.
At last,ffs,Gym admits Matt is,i quote"quite good",well quite good isnt good enough.
Exciting,trying to be original,is what cuts it.
Exciting,trying to be original,is what cuts it.
Absolutely. A rough diamond is a very good description.
Cowell was salivating during Cher's audition and the memory of the wall of noise that came from the crowd, confirming his perception that he'd hit paydirt, has never left him.
The look of dollar signs appearing in his eyes was matched only by the SuBo audition.
She can be more than the next Madonna, she can combine the strengths of MJ, Prince, madonna and other iconic entertainers because she has the whole package.
Cowell was salivating during Cher's audition and the memory of the wall of noise that came from the crowd, confirming his perception that he'd hit paydirt, has never left him.
The look of dollar signs appearing in his eyes was matched only by the SuBo audition.
She can be more than the next Madonna, she can combine the strengths of MJ, Prince, madonna and other iconic entertainers because she has the whole package.
201 ,no stand out vocal,thats what we have im afraid,so we need a performer,poor old Matts body is so f*cked with the **** and the booze,might i add from his bum lifestyle,that he can hardly move around the stage.
Ffs ,hes only in his 20's.
Why do you tink they stick him on that stool wif his gitar(just trying to a bit cool with the spelling)
Ffs ,hes only in his 20's.
Why do you tink they stick him on that stool wif his gitar(just trying to a bit cool with the spelling)
If that Rebecca ever moves from that spot,she might realise shes on stage in front of thousands of people and have a panic attack.
TOUCHDOWN TOUCHDOWN,Journeymans"on the money",exactly what i told somone,shes the new MJ/Madonna etc etc.
I to saw that look of disbelief on Cowells face,PAYDAY PAYDAY,"something really really special about you"
It was tattooed on our foreheads from day one,WINNER WINNER.
"BORN TO BE A POPSTAR"
Chers words straight after "oh my god",words of surprise that they thought she was that good.
Absolutely the right thing to say.
Not a big headed gyppo.
I to saw that look of disbelief on Cowells face,PAYDAY PAYDAY,"something really really special about you"
It was tattooed on our foreheads from day one,WINNER WINNER.
"BORN TO BE A POPSTAR"
Chers words straight after "oh my god",words of surprise that they thought she was that good.
Absolutely the right thing to say.
Not a big headed gyppo.
we will now have a few verses of my favourite track.
We're in the money, we're in the money;
We've got a lot of what it takes to get along!
We're in the money, that sky is sunny,
Old Man Depression you are through, you done us wrong.
We never see a headline about breadlines today.
And when we see the landlord we can look that guy right in the eye
We're in the money, come on, my honey,
Let's lend it, spend it, send it rolling along!
Oh, yes we're in the money, you bet we're in the money,
We've got a lot of what it takes to get along!
Let's go we're in the money, Look up the skies are sunny,
Old Man Depression you are through, you done us wrong.
We never see a headline about breadlines today.
And when we see the landlord we can look that guy right in the eye
We're in the money, come on, my honey,
Let's lend it, spend it, send it rolling along!
We're in the money, we're in the money;
We've got a lot of what it takes to get along!
We're in the money, that sky is sunny,
Old Man Depression you are through, you done us wrong.
We never see a headline about breadlines today.
And when we see the landlord we can look that guy right in the eye
We're in the money, come on, my honey,
Let's lend it, spend it, send it rolling along!
Oh, yes we're in the money, you bet we're in the money,
We've got a lot of what it takes to get along!
Let's go we're in the money, Look up the skies are sunny,
Old Man Depression you are through, you done us wrong.
We never see a headline about breadlines today.
And when we see the landlord we can look that guy right in the eye
We're in the money, come on, my honey,
Let's lend it, spend it, send it rolling along!
247 - i never said i thought matt was quite good. i said that's what lou was trying to tell you.
personally i think they're all pretty rubbish, particularly cher. the only one with any chance of a decent career in music these days is rebecca, but i couldn't see me buying her music.
matt is a good solid performer, who will appeal to the middle of the road masses, and is a very worthy favourite.
cher is certainly different, but different simply doesn't win this sort of competition.
personally i think they're all pretty rubbish, particularly cher. the only one with any chance of a decent career in music these days is rebecca, but i couldn't see me buying her music.
matt is a good solid performer, who will appeal to the middle of the road masses, and is a very worthy favourite.
cher is certainly different, but different simply doesn't win this sort of competition.
cheers nick. i wasn't sure if i'd held back a bit.
Its good too see that there are some real shrewd Muther suckers in this thread, Journeyman and 247 are just trying to get other posters here to realise the cold hard facts!
Its so blatantly staring the public in the face and the media and obviously done their job well by putting the mug punters off , it only takes a step back..some serious analising and the haters perception of "who Cher is" will start to become clear.
It's PERCEPTION that is definitely messing with peoples reasoning here, and its only a matter of time of when Cowell is gonna give you one massive slap around the face for being asleep!
shes got something that the majority of posters of this thread are failing to take note of...shes not the same as the others! now if that doesn't make a pop star winner then i don't know what does!
I think everyone should empty their sacks/cash onto cher ..with a view to wipe/lay off when the price is right.
PAY PAY PAY ...ITS GONNA BE A GOOD CHRISTMAS!
Its so blatantly staring the public in the face and the media and obviously done their job well by putting the mug punters off , it only takes a step back..some serious analising and the haters perception of "who Cher is" will start to become clear.
It's PERCEPTION that is definitely messing with peoples reasoning here, and its only a matter of time of when Cowell is gonna give you one massive slap around the face for being asleep!
shes got something that the majority of posters of this thread are failing to take note of...shes not the same as the others! now if that doesn't make a pop star winner then i don't know what does!
I think everyone should empty their sacks/cash onto cher ..with a view to wipe/lay off when the price is right.
PAY PAY PAY ...ITS GONNA BE A GOOD CHRISTMAS!
Bang on the money kid,Cher is different from the rest,first time the x factor has had someone they could call a POP STAR.
And if the losers on here think its all about singing,try checking the charts.
And if the losers on here think its all about singing,try checking the charts.
ive always had faith in her glad that some people agree yes the new maddonnna anew star yes attitude yes a real winning story a real raw talent 
the energy of vher music makes her the winner "quote its not a karoke competition[;)]
If the Choo choo train boys havent already noticed it on here,theres a thread with some very very interesting stats regarding the x factor.
They actually suggest Matt hasnt a hope in hell of winning.
They actually suggest Matt hasnt a hope in hell of winning.
the day Cher won X Factor, not mainly because of her performance...but because of the reaction!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O738MOmAJt8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O738MOmAJt8
Well I've been doing a bit of backing, just a gut feeling that it's wrong for the most talented there to be 20s.
With Cher it all depends on the songs she gets. She's delivered everything, including Imagine imo, but I don't think a lot of her stuff is liked. She has the potential to surprise though.
247, Rozel, Journey and Crab why did Simon and Louis say they preferred her rapping, when her other stuff has proved more popular?
With Cher it all depends on the songs she gets. She's delivered everything, including Imagine imo, but I don't think a lot of her stuff is liked. She has the potential to surprise though.
247, Rozel, Journey and Crab why did Simon and Louis say they preferred her rapping, when her other stuff has proved more popular?
Click on blog activity,at the bottom,why matt cardle wont win x factor.
ITS ON THE MONEY,EVERYTHING,MATT IS TO OLD,OUTSIDE WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN ACCEPTABLE AGE BRACKET
ITS ON THE MONEY,EVERYTHING,MATT IS TO OLD,OUTSIDE WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN ACCEPTABLE AGE BRACKET
247
I asked you this 2 hours ago but you don't answer?
247
What stats are they?
I asked you this 2 hours ago but you don't answer?
247
What stats are they?
Click on blog activity,at the bottom,why matt cardle wont win x factor.
ITS ON THE MONEY,EVERYTHING,MATT IS TO OLD,OUTSIDE WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN ACCEPTABLE AGE BRACKET
What blog activity? Bottom of what? Are you a retard?
ITS ON THE MONEY,EVERYTHING,MATT IS TO OLD,OUTSIDE WHAT IS CONSIDERED AN ACCEPTABLE AGE BRACKET
What blog activity? Bottom of what? Are you a retard?
Henry..the answer to your question is quite simple.
Its exactly what Simon and Louis want...it doesn't limit the market.
You have to remember that the show is exactly what it is ...ITS A SHOW and nothing more.
What you should be doing is asking yourself on why you are asking the question...then you'll come up with the answer.
Its all a big game....keeps people guessing with her as a potential star...like i say its all planned!
Its exactly what Simon and Louis want...it doesn't limit the market.
You have to remember that the show is exactly what it is ...ITS A SHOW and nothing more.
What you should be doing is asking yourself on why you are asking the question...then you'll come up with the answer.
Its all a big game....keeps people guessing with her as a potential star...like i say its all planned!
Hold on Hothead Henry.....he might be doing something and doesn't have a computer tied to his body.
temper temper lol
temper temper lol
Rozel
Thanks for that most informative. Could you let us have Saturday's lottery numbers when you get a minute?
Ta[;)]
Thanks for that most informative. Could you let us have Saturday's lottery numbers when you get a minute?
Ta[;)]
True Rozel, Cowell's main aim is simply to get a decent variety show.
Nice one Lou...i do charge for that service though...10% of projected winnings..In advance!
I think he's referring to this, you can access it in the way he describes if you are using the new style forum:
http://community.betfair.com/betting.betfair/blog/2010/10/29/why_matt_cardle_wont_win_the_x_factor.
http://community.betfair.com/betting.betfair/blog/2010/10/29/why_matt_cardle_wont_win_the_x_factor.
Rozel
I'd gladly pay you the 10% in advance as everything you say is obviously true to fact so as well as knowing who's gonna win X Factor you must surely know this coming Saturday'a lottery numbers so 10% is a steal.
I'd gladly pay you the 10% in advance as everything you say is obviously true to fact so as well as knowing who's gonna win X Factor you must surely know this coming Saturday'a lottery numbers so 10% is a steal.
Sorry choo choo lou,washing the dishes.
Look,ffs,its made to look like a show,the winner was known at the start,various acts will be favourite at various stages according to comments made by the judges.
But they more or less know who they want to win at the auditions,theres always one stand out,and this year it was Cher.
Theres a saying,youve either got or you havent,and this year it was decided Cher had it,with Rebecca a interesting 2nd,but if youve followed it properly,Simon has some serious issues with her confidence.
The show will go through the usual motions,but only one persons going to win.
You can start all the threads you like,because your opinion is basically meaningless,mines not an opinion,its a fact.
Words pipe and smoke coming to mind here [:D]
Look,ffs,its made to look like a show,the winner was known at the start,various acts will be favourite at various stages according to comments made by the judges.
But they more or less know who they want to win at the auditions,theres always one stand out,and this year it was Cher.
Theres a saying,youve either got or you havent,and this year it was decided Cher had it,with Rebecca a interesting 2nd,but if youve followed it properly,Simon has some serious issues with her confidence.
The show will go through the usual motions,but only one persons going to win.
You can start all the threads you like,because your opinion is basically meaningless,mines not an opinion,its a fact.
Words pipe and smoke coming to mind here [:D]
Thanks TK but I got the following message and couldn't find it in the archives:
Sorry, there was a problem.
No blog posts were found which match the given criteria.
Sorry, there was a problem.
No blog posts were found which match the given criteria.
247
You must have been doing the dishes and missed this when I asked you it on the othere thread you started so could you answer it now please. Thanks.
247
If by some million to one chance Cher doesn't win it wull you come on here and admit how silly you look or just disappear and never face anyone?
You must have been doing the dishes and missed this when I asked you it on the othere thread you started so could you answer it now please. Thanks.
247
If by some million to one chance Cher doesn't win it wull you come on here and admit how silly you look or just disappear and never face anyone?
well..do you want my bank details so you can make advance payment...my conditions are very strict.
Hold on Hothead Henry.....he might be doing something and doesn't have a computer tied to his body.
temper temper lol
It was the culmination of several cryptic posts. I need some sleep.
temper temper lol
It was the culmination of several cryptic posts. I need some sleep.
Rozel
Why not post the numbers anyway beforehand just to prove you know them as otherwise (and I know this is unbelievable) but people on here might not believe a word you say. I know ........ ridiculous isn't it!
Why not post the numbers anyway beforehand just to prove you know them as otherwise (and I know this is unbelievable) but people on here might not believe a word you say. I know ........ ridiculous isn't it!
X factor
Blogs
Why matt cardle cant win x factor.
Some very very interesting facts.
Rip those Cardle tickets up boys.
Blogs
Why matt cardle cant win x factor.
Some very very interesting facts.
Rip those Cardle tickets up boys.
Lou...can i ask why you are so hellbent to go against the facts behind the beginning of this thread...Journey, 247, Crab and myself have made.
I can't understand your motivation here and the number of your responses without any direct and relative / reasonable points.
people say we are ramping Cher's chances but we are just stating facts...you are just ignoring them.
anyone would think you are trying to persuade people to ignore the facts...does question your motivation though doesn't it!!
I can't understand your motivation here and the number of your responses without any direct and relative / reasonable points.
people say we are ramping Cher's chances but we are just stating facts...you are just ignoring them.
anyone would think you are trying to persuade people to ignore the facts...does question your motivation though doesn't it!!
Its one of 2 things Rozel.
These guys are either layers trying to suck the mugs in,or theyre like someone i know,never admit theyre wrong.
Even when they lose they win,if you know what i mean.
Bul*sh**ters basically.
These guys are either layers trying to suck the mugs in,or theyre like someone i know,never admit theyre wrong.
Even when they lose they win,if you know what i mean.
Bul*sh**ters basically.
Rozel
Do you know what a FACT is? It's Knowledge or information based on real occurrences:
It's not 'Cher would be great in America' 'Simon wants her to win' 'Matt can't sing' 'Rebecca's voice is awful' 'Cher's gonna win it innit'
Do you know what a FACT is? It's Knowledge or information based on real occurrences:
It's not 'Cher would be great in America' 'Simon wants her to win' 'Matt can't sing' 'Rebecca's voice is awful' 'Cher's gonna win it innit'
thats you picking the things that were my opinion...do you want us to list the facts again...jeez there was enough of them!
What exactly is Cher's talent please?
She's not exactly a looker.
She's no dancer.
She has no charm.
She can't write a song
She can't play an instrument.
She has a forgettable voice.
She can't rap.
She can't smile.
She has no semblance of an original thought in her head
and J thinks she's the new Michael Jackson/Princess
She's not exactly a looker.
She's no dancer.
She has no charm.
She can't write a song
She can't play an instrument.
She has a forgettable voice.
She can't rap.
She can't smile.
She has no semblance of an original thought in her head
and J thinks she's the new Michael Jackson/Princess
attitude adjuster,
What exactly is Cher's talent please?
She's not exactly a looker.
shes 16 you sick puppy, better looking than you though id imagine
She's no dancer.
stupid comment! and i think you know it!
She has no charm.
Don't think shes there to charm you...not her style and how she will be marketed
She can't write a song
[b]anyone can write a song, she doesn't have a contract so why would she...shes 16 by the way! which 16 yo can?[/b]
She can't play an instrument.
Not can many 16 yo in the pop industry can...especially x Factor contestants
She has a forgettable voice.
Pathetic! leave it at that!
She can't rap.
Yes she can, you know nowt about her!
She can't smile.
Yes she can, it would be a pysical impossibility and a marvel of science if she couldn't!
She has no semblance of an original thought in her head
Now thats just a personal jibe...should be ashamed of yourself talking about a 16yo girl like that...you got a mirror ??? go look in it!
and J thinks she's the new Michael Jackson/Princess Plain
Well this is personal opinion...what would be more current would be the uks alternative to justin bieber!
What exactly is Cher's talent please?
She's not exactly a looker.
shes 16 you sick puppy, better looking than you though id imagine
She's no dancer.
stupid comment! and i think you know it!
She has no charm.
Don't think shes there to charm you...not her style and how she will be marketed
She can't write a song
[b]anyone can write a song, she doesn't have a contract so why would she...shes 16 by the way! which 16 yo can?[/b]
She can't play an instrument.
Not can many 16 yo in the pop industry can...especially x Factor contestants
She has a forgettable voice.
Pathetic! leave it at that!
She can't rap.
Yes she can, you know nowt about her!
She can't smile.
Yes she can, it would be a pysical impossibility and a marvel of science if she couldn't!
She has no semblance of an original thought in her head
Now thats just a personal jibe...should be ashamed of yourself talking about a 16yo girl like that...you got a mirror ??? go look in it!
and J thinks she's the new Michael Jackson/Princess Plain
Well this is personal opinion...what would be more current would be the uks alternative to justin bieber!
what the hell are you doing here...you dont belong here ..you dont belong here ![smiley:crazy]
lol
lol
Absolutely hilarious.
10 out of 10 reply rozel.
So much personnal sh*t on here.
What started out as trying to help punters out with a decent value bet.
Why do people get so sh**ty.
Like Rozel said,all these hate mongers.
Basically jealous to**ers.
Just cant handle a young talent with attitude on the way to the easy life whilst theyre sucking it up on benefits or minimum wage jobs.
All this gyppo bo**cks.
Tell you what,me and Rozel will give you gyppo ,picking on a young kid.
You sad losers
Ide say good luck if matt wins.
But as ive already said,Simon wants Cher or Rebecca,not some smoking boozing bum.
Give it to someone who deserves it and has the talent and will graft when they get the chance.
Problem with becky,he needs more time with her to sort out her confidence issues.
Did i lay in a bit thick there Roz.
10 out of 10 reply rozel.
So much personnal sh*t on here.
What started out as trying to help punters out with a decent value bet.
Why do people get so sh**ty.
Like Rozel said,all these hate mongers.
Basically jealous to**ers.
Just cant handle a young talent with attitude on the way to the easy life whilst theyre sucking it up on benefits or minimum wage jobs.
All this gyppo bo**cks.
Tell you what,me and Rozel will give you gyppo ,picking on a young kid.
You sad losers
Ide say good luck if matt wins.
But as ive already said,Simon wants Cher or Rebecca,not some smoking boozing bum.
Give it to someone who deserves it and has the talent and will graft when they get the chance.
Problem with becky,he needs more time with her to sort out her confidence issues.
Did i lay in a bit thick there Roz.
well im confident its between Cher and One Direction as you've stated before!.
its gonna take just take a few weeks now until i pik up my 10k plus...tick tock tick tock boooooooooooooooooooooooooom happy days !
its gonna take just take a few weeks now until i pik up my 10k plus...tick tock tick tock boooooooooooooooooooooooooom happy days !
Tick tock,sure your Rozel and not that fu**in croc from peter pan
Pulling things back a bit to Henry VIII's question.
On Saturday one performance was her traditional insertion of rap into a song and the other was a rock & rap song. Rap is a minor genre. The average voter associates rap with crime, violence and stupidity (and with sound reason).
How therefore can she win over the XF demographic (she's not going to do just Stay type performances from now on)?
I think the uncompromising material she did on Saturday has to be taken in context.
Cher had gone completely offcourse the week before. Not only was Imagine alien to her core support and a poor vehicle for her talent/expression, but she followed it up with a 'Stay' retread. The result was a near disaster which had the positive side-effect of making Cher and her team realise they HAD to 'reset' the course.
Saturday's two performances were Cher laying down a BASE from where she can kick on.
Look at her aggressive look for a start, very much a 'warpaint' use of makeup the polar opposite to the ill advised 'angelic' look of the week before.
On an obvious level that was resetting the BASE away from the ballads and positioning her final weeks to focus fully on her unique strengths and skills.
But also remember that the egyptians used warpaint to transform the wearer into a 'channel' and variations on such traditions have remained within other cultures including Cher's. The channeling of clarity of purpose and purity of energy can give her an invisible but very tangible turboboost in what is after all the final furlong of the race.
So that being the purpose of Saturday's double-whammy, it would be a mistake to assume that the same intense usage of rap specifically will be employed in the semis and final. The job of 'resetting' has been done (and it HAD to be done). She'll move more to utilise the appealing elements of her original audition performance which so engaged the audience first time around.
The look will be softer, the tone warmer, and all of this will stem naturally from Cher's refound clarity of vision.
Don't forget this is the girl whose insistence on control of her own arrangements, own styling, own dance movements has got on the wick of some of the gormless backstagers who don't take into consideration that same desire for auteur-level control was a feature of the early Madonna, the early Prince etc.
On Saturday one performance was her traditional insertion of rap into a song and the other was a rock & rap song. Rap is a minor genre. The average voter associates rap with crime, violence and stupidity (and with sound reason).
How therefore can she win over the XF demographic (she's not going to do just Stay type performances from now on)?
I think the uncompromising material she did on Saturday has to be taken in context.
Cher had gone completely offcourse the week before. Not only was Imagine alien to her core support and a poor vehicle for her talent/expression, but she followed it up with a 'Stay' retread. The result was a near disaster which had the positive side-effect of making Cher and her team realise they HAD to 'reset' the course.
Saturday's two performances were Cher laying down a BASE from where she can kick on.
Look at her aggressive look for a start, very much a 'warpaint' use of makeup the polar opposite to the ill advised 'angelic' look of the week before.
On an obvious level that was resetting the BASE away from the ballads and positioning her final weeks to focus fully on her unique strengths and skills.
But also remember that the egyptians used warpaint to transform the wearer into a 'channel' and variations on such traditions have remained within other cultures including Cher's. The channeling of clarity of purpose and purity of energy can give her an invisible but very tangible turboboost in what is after all the final furlong of the race.
So that being the purpose of Saturday's double-whammy, it would be a mistake to assume that the same intense usage of rap specifically will be employed in the semis and final. The job of 'resetting' has been done (and it HAD to be done). She'll move more to utilise the appealing elements of her original audition performance which so engaged the audience first time around.
The look will be softer, the tone warmer, and all of this will stem naturally from Cher's refound clarity of vision.
Don't forget this is the girl whose insistence on control of her own arrangements, own styling, own dance movements has got on the wick of some of the gormless backstagers who don't take into consideration that same desire for auteur-level control was a feature of the early Madonna, the early Prince etc.
journey pretty much sums it up cher has the minerals
well im confident its between Cher and One Direction as you've stated before!.
its gonna take just take a few weeks now until i pik up my 10k plus...tick tock tick tock boooooooooooooooooooooooooom happy days !
I'm confident it's between Matt and ................................. Rebecca has an outside chance. Don't think the others will win.
its gonna take just take a few weeks now until i pik up my 10k plus...tick tock tick tock boooooooooooooooooooooooooom happy days !
I'm confident it's between Matt and ................................. Rebecca has an outside chance. Don't think the others will win.
They're all crap mate.
Can't understand the excitement surrounding the scouse tart either.
She is not beautiful, she has a Donald Duck voice-a-like and she bores the crap out of me.
Can't understand the excitement surrounding the scouse tart either.
She is not beautiful, she has a Donald Duck voice-a-like and she bores the crap out of me.
Interesting post Journeyman, exciting to see what she comes up with on Saturday.
J next time it's your round,can i have a pint of the same stuff as you,mate
No problem AA.
Once the Malvern princess moves solidly into the final 3 I might even stand you a pint of Louis XII cognac
Once the Malvern princess moves solidly into the final 3 I might even stand you a pint of Louis XII cognac
Journey
Hope 'The Singing Candle' doesn't nab your 3rd final spot.
Hope 'The Singing Candle' doesn't nab your 3rd final spot.
Very well put Journey.
Had to block Lou,the guys not coming out with anything constructive.
So is obviously an attention seeker or a ramper,choo choo,lol.
Great to have someone not posting one liner poison.
If ever you wanted evidence of Chers emergence,suggest you suck up Journeys last post,bang on.
Had to block Lou,the guys not coming out with anything constructive.
So is obviously an attention seeker or a ramper,choo choo,lol.
Great to have someone not posting one liner poison.
If ever you wanted evidence of Chers emergence,suggest you suck up Journeys last post,bang on.
It will be pints of Louis XII cognac [:p][:p][:p](thats me,Journey and Rozel)
THIS IS WHY CHER WILL NOT WIN
Cheryl Cole, once a charming addition to The X Factor panel, now seems in serious danger of believing her own hype, picking a fight live on air with Wagner, who had the temerity to complain about her to a newspaper. Insiders say she spends the least time with her acts of all the judges – and what time she does have, she seems to spend moulding them into mini-versions of herself (see last year’s winner Joe McElderry, also from Newcastle, whom she frequently described as being “like a little brother”; this year we have Cher, almost indistinguishable from her mentor, with an attitude to match).
Dame Cheryl rarely smiles any more. Instead, she’s all Princess Diana eyes, seemingly glistening with tears. When she does beam, she seems to be channelling Julie Andrews in Mary Poppins – all demure perfection – though what a shame she doesn’t have the voice to match. Conquering America will complete her status as living martyr, as if earning squillions to look pretty and cry on tap is the worst thing life could throw at you.
So. Farewell then Cheryl Cole. You’ve been weepy. And skinny. And weepy. And northern. But most of all, weepy.
Cheryl Cole, once a charming addition to The X Factor panel, now seems in serious danger of believing her own hype, picking a fight live on air with Wagner, who had the temerity to complain about her to a newspaper. Insiders say she spends the least time with her acts of all the judges – and what time she does have, she seems to spend moulding them into mini-versions of herself (see last year’s winner Joe McElderry, also from Newcastle, whom she frequently described as being “like a little brother”; this year we have Cher, almost indistinguishable from her mentor, with an attitude to match).
Dame Cheryl rarely smiles any more. Instead, she’s all Princess Diana eyes, seemingly glistening with tears. When she does beam, she seems to be channelling Julie Andrews in Mary Poppins – all demure perfection – though what a shame she doesn’t have the voice to match. Conquering America will complete her status as living martyr, as if earning squillions to look pretty and cry on tap is the worst thing life could throw at you.
So. Farewell then Cheryl Cole. You’ve been weepy. And skinny. And weepy. And northern. But most of all, weepy.
"come on lou stop ramping Matts choo coo train"
"The queen of pops in town,he will be slain"
"journey,Rozel and 247"
"Pints of louis XII,7th heaven"
Hope you are enjoying my singing.
Ringa dingy ringa ding ding.
You never listen to a thing.
After d final you'll be selling all your bling
Suck it up douch bags and mamas
Matts one big bum*er.
Beckys shaking so much,she p*ssing her panties.
Come on Cher,think ill have another 20
"The queen of pops in town,he will be slain"
"journey,Rozel and 247"
"Pints of louis XII,7th heaven"
Hope you are enjoying my singing.
Ringa dingy ringa ding ding.
You never listen to a thing.
After d final you'll be selling all your bling
Suck it up douch bags and mamas
Matts one big bum*er.
Beckys shaking so much,she p*ssing her panties.
Come on Cher,think ill have another 20
I know theres freedom of speech Journey,but when you spend days trying to reason with unreasonable people,its time to block them.
Lou and horseplacing are off the scale for stupidity.
We are not trying to convince ourselves Cher will win,we are trying to convince others.
Properly analyzed,it all seems so obvious.
Simon Cowell will come out next week,like Chers week and announce "i think there could be a shock this week",because he knows the music market like no other.
He knew Cher bummed it with imagine,But he also knows that its talent time now,whose going to bring something new to the table.
Thats when it becomes clear whats happening here,Rebecca will come out with her usual timid performance,Matt will not be showing us anything we havent seen before,One direction are what they are,not going to comment on Mary,no point,Cher is going to step it up a gear again and blow the house down.
The public are going to be in awe and suddenly click who the real deal is,after favourable comments from Simon.
Lou and horseplacing are off the scale for stupidity.
We are not trying to convince ourselves Cher will win,we are trying to convince others.
Properly analyzed,it all seems so obvious.
Simon Cowell will come out next week,like Chers week and announce "i think there could be a shock this week",because he knows the music market like no other.
He knew Cher bummed it with imagine,But he also knows that its talent time now,whose going to bring something new to the table.
Thats when it becomes clear whats happening here,Rebecca will come out with her usual timid performance,Matt will not be showing us anything we havent seen before,One direction are what they are,not going to comment on Mary,no point,Cher is going to step it up a gear again and blow the house down.
The public are going to be in awe and suddenly click who the real deal is,after favourable comments from Simon.
All doubters,please get back to me on what cowell said on the very first show,thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOzyCZ1jDkI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EOzyCZ1jDkI
All the better acts get complimented,but not to the level of cher
Cher is going to step it up a gear again and blow the house down.
I believe this as well 247, though the important thing from the POV of taking a position is that she hasn't done it yet... she has essentially set the the base in place as I said.
She's the winner Cowell wants, no question. BUT she has to deliver enough to give him the ammunition to shepherd her past Matt.
(He's not King Canute and won't oppose an unstoppable winner without that ammunition.)
So the ball is still in Cher's court but obviously I think she's more than capable of pulling out the required 'ace'.
I believe this as well 247, though the important thing from the POV of taking a position is that she hasn't done it yet... she has essentially set the the base in place as I said.
She's the winner Cowell wants, no question. BUT she has to deliver enough to give him the ammunition to shepherd her past Matt.
(He's not King Canute and won't oppose an unstoppable winner without that ammunition.)
So the ball is still in Cher's court but obviously I think she's more than capable of pulling out the required 'ace'.
oh dear u silly people;CHER HAS NO CHANCE I REPEAT NO CHANCE OF WINNING X FACTOR
Hmmmmmmm.
Just had a look through the live thread and I'm not surprised AA picked up on that. She really must reign in that attitude a bit in the bits with Dermot because too often these little soundbites are coming across wrong! Although she was quite 'warm' after the first song.
Anyway she did kick in with the softer tone after the warpaint/channeling of last week and although neither was her best performance imo, I'd rather see her deliver the real grenades next week.
As for 12th elimination, we surely all agree Mary is the deserving candidate but is pointlesly short plus things may not pan out as they should. It's more interesting to me to look toward a candidate whose core-vote hasn't gone through the trials of a B2 or B3.
That's Matt, Rebecca and 1d. And although I loathe Rebecca's insincerity and grindingly dull/safe performances, it's obvious she did enough last night to be safe as houses. Amazing Grace will have gone down well with the pensioners, assuming they can stop warming themselves up riding buses all day long enough to vote.
So that leaves a dutch of Matt and 1D for a shock elimination, at huge prices.
It has to be worth a small long shot wager, as both were poo last night, plus their audience is so used to seeing them avoid B2 and B3 that who knows what complacency may kick in.
0.5 points One Direction at 55s
0.25 points Matt Cardle at 110s
Just had a look through the live thread and I'm not surprised AA picked up on that. She really must reign in that attitude a bit in the bits with Dermot because too often these little soundbites are coming across wrong! Although she was quite 'warm' after the first song.
Anyway she did kick in with the softer tone after the warpaint/channeling of last week and although neither was her best performance imo, I'd rather see her deliver the real grenades next week.
As for 12th elimination, we surely all agree Mary is the deserving candidate but is pointlesly short plus things may not pan out as they should. It's more interesting to me to look toward a candidate whose core-vote hasn't gone through the trials of a B2 or B3.
That's Matt, Rebecca and 1d. And although I loathe Rebecca's insincerity and grindingly dull/safe performances, it's obvious she did enough last night to be safe as houses. Amazing Grace will have gone down well with the pensioners, assuming they can stop warming themselves up riding buses all day long enough to vote.
So that leaves a dutch of Matt and 1D for a shock elimination, at huge prices.
It has to be worth a small long shot wager, as both were poo last night, plus their audience is so used to seeing them avoid B2 and B3 that who knows what complacency may kick in.
0.5 points One Direction at 55s
0.25 points Matt Cardle at 110s
some pretty pathetic fanboy comments from a few on here; this is a betting website ffs, why are u getting emotionally involved??
NICE TO WIND UP THE RETARDS
Talk about caught a big one,Cher might not win,but neither will choo choo train Matt(rofl)
I'll leave you to work out the rest
Talk about caught a big one,Cher might not win,but neither will choo choo train Matt(rofl)
I'll leave you to work out the rest
journeyman, really interesting well-thought out post at 07.57, especially for so early in the morning. i agree with your points - gaining an identity as an artist may well help her more in the long run even if she ends up 3rd or 4th...BUT i keep coming back to the voting public and i cannot see how in a million years such a provocative and controversial and niche figure stands a hope in hell of gaining enough votes to win. i thinks she may well go out tonight, though that is obviously not what the judges want...
Never in doubt
In all seriousness, it shows how much Simon likes her that he's prepared to risk his own franchise to protect the Malvern Princess.
Bounce next week then...
In all seriousness, it shows how much Simon likes her that he's prepared to risk his own franchise to protect the Malvern Princess.
Bounce next week then...
Mmmm okay let's review the debris in the (extremely) cold light of day.
It actually struck me as a bit odd that in the space of the same show, Cher went into the final anhd simultaneously became almost unbackable to win.
Leaving everything else aside, that is a strange combination of events!?
First up, those like Nick who thought she might fall foul of the weekend's voting, well done you were right.
I can understand why some are seeing her current price of 50s as a trading opportunity. In truth it's a bad price and best avoided.
As I'm already on (average 32s) it's possibly worth sitting tight and looking for a better exit price but it's certainly not a get in price.
A good comparison was when Aiseleyne (BB7) was just starting to gain momentum I was banging on about backing her at 100s, that momentum leading to a great journey.
Cher at 50s, with fading momentum, ph1ixx accusations, doubts over her core vote etc is more of a 'catching knives' price in all honesty.
Much more interesting though is the top 3 price. Cher top 3 is 4.5 and my final selection of X Factor 2010 is a 3 pt bet on that.
Assuming the final is a straight PV then there's no 'anti-Cher' candidate per se the media can catch onto, because none of the 'Big 3' have gone through the test of being in a sing off or in any kind of trouble.
Also, it only needs one of the Big 3's support to show complacency in the wake of endless easy passges (up against a 'do or die' Cher support that know she's clinging on by her Nicki Minaj pink painted fingernails) to let her back in the door.
The 'bounce effect' is perhaps a factor if you're a great believer in it (I'm not) but less discussed is one other factor...
...which is simply that the public can be UNPREDICTABLE when presented with a massive underdog and a tabloid press kicking her when she's down.
All that makes her true price for top 3 much less than 4.5 surely? Anyway hope you're all keeping warm and have enough baked beans in the cupboard.
It actually struck me as a bit odd that in the space of the same show, Cher went into the final anhd simultaneously became almost unbackable to win.
Leaving everything else aside, that is a strange combination of events!?
First up, those like Nick who thought she might fall foul of the weekend's voting, well done you were right.
I can understand why some are seeing her current price of 50s as a trading opportunity. In truth it's a bad price and best avoided.
As I'm already on (average 32s) it's possibly worth sitting tight and looking for a better exit price but it's certainly not a get in price.
A good comparison was when Aiseleyne (BB7) was just starting to gain momentum I was banging on about backing her at 100s, that momentum leading to a great journey.
Cher at 50s, with fading momentum, ph1ixx accusations, doubts over her core vote etc is more of a 'catching knives' price in all honesty.
Much more interesting though is the top 3 price. Cher top 3 is 4.5 and my final selection of X Factor 2010 is a 3 pt bet on that.
Assuming the final is a straight PV
then there's no 'anti-Cher' candidate per se the media can catch onto, because none of the 'Big 3' have gone through the test of being in a sing off or in any kind of trouble. Also, it only needs one of the Big 3's support to show complacency in the wake of endless easy passges (up against a 'do or die' Cher support that know she's clinging on by her Nicki Minaj pink painted fingernails) to let her back in the door.
The 'bounce effect' is perhaps a factor if you're a great believer in it (I'm not) but less discussed is one other factor...
...which is simply that the public can be UNPREDICTABLE when presented with a massive underdog and a tabloid press kicking her when she's down.
All that makes her true price for top 3 much less than 4.5 surely? Anyway hope you're all keeping warm and have enough baked beans in the cupboard.
Backing someone @ 50's who put in the best performance in the final isn't really that muggish imo
Cher was brilliant tonight, my two favourite performances on the night.
She left on a high for sure was mentally pricing her up for the final 3 it was a bit of a shock she went given performances/events perhaps the die had already been cast.
CHER shouldve got to the final 3
ONE DIRECTION are woeful. Its terrible this show
ONE DIRECTION are woeful. Its terrible this show
almost as terrible as this thread,fck me some people would sell their granny if they thought they could make a few bob out of her wouldnt they................a sychophantic love in with an insolent truculent teenager ,thank the lord she didnt make the final
CHER shouldve got to the final 3
ONE DIRECTION are woeful. Its terrible this show
They are all woeful mate ... no star quality and no class between the lot of em.
To say that Cardle and Ferguson are the stand-outs is to admit that this year's show has been super sub-par.
In other words .... CRAP
ONE DIRECTION are woeful. Its terrible this show
They are all woeful mate ... no star quality and no class between the lot of em.
To say that Cardle and Ferguson are the stand-outs is to admit that this year's show has been super sub-par.
In other words .... CRAP
However, I did like Cher last night.
She performed well and, for once, actually looked the part.
She performed well and, for once, actually looked the part.
Good comments missnikki et al, (though Darren's granny-selling comment would have been more suited to K waissel 
)
Just watched the repeat again this morning and Cher really did come out best of both 'rounds'.
It will be interesting to eventually see what the actual difference was between her vote and whoever came 3rd (who I have a feeling last night would have been Rebecca).
Think it might have been quite close. At least she gave it a darn good try!
Gl to all for tonight and let's leave the last word to Will.I.am from his twitter last night..
# Everyone one on xfactor are great singers...(But singers need song writers) cher is a song writer a self contained artist...
# If cher doesn't win shell win with me and my team :)
)Just watched the repeat again this morning and Cher really did come out best of both 'rounds'.
It will be interesting to eventually see what the actual difference was between her vote and whoever came 3rd (who I have a feeling last night would have been Rebecca).
Think it might have been quite close. At least she gave it a darn good try!
Gl to all for tonight and let's leave the last word to Will.I.am from his twitter last night..
# Everyone one on xfactor are great singers...(But singers need song writers) cher is a song writer a self contained artist...
# If cher doesn't win shell win with me and my team :)
ive watched last nights performances twice today and cher was without any shadow of doubt the best last night,particularly her second song when dueting with will.i.am,she was on a par with him if not better,ive no doubt cher will prove to be the most successful out of them all in the long run
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