X Factor 2010
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25 Nov 10
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I am just going to run this one up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes.
Over the years we are all used to forumites posting threads along the lines of "so and so is Simon Cowell's chosen one because he/she/they will sell records". My theory is that this statement holds less and less water as the years roll on. The reason for my theory is that I suspect that record sales pale into comparison for Simon compared with the God that is television. Let me explain.
The value of the record industry is falling sharply. In the last 10 years alone revenues for recorded music (including downloads) have declined by 25%. Diversely, Simon's value to television has increased with a reputed £6.5 million a year income from ITV and £20 million a year from the US. If you follow (and agree) with this logic then two conclusions are possible. The first is that it is becoming increasingly irrelevant to Simon to have a winner who sells records and more relevant to Simon to get a winner who is a TV performer and TV star. The second conclusion is that in the great scheme of things it doesn't matter to Simon who wins X-Factor as long as the programme tops the ratings, remains the topic of water-coooler conversation and stays making headlines.
What I think it all means is that although Cowell says he will leave the Country if Wagner wins. The truth is he couldn't give a monkeys.
Over the years we are all used to forumites posting threads along the lines of "so and so is Simon Cowell's chosen one because he/she/they will sell records". My theory is that this statement holds less and less water as the years roll on. The reason for my theory is that I suspect that record sales pale into comparison for Simon compared with the God that is television. Let me explain.
The value of the record industry is falling sharply. In the last 10 years alone revenues for recorded music (including downloads) have declined by 25%. Diversely, Simon's value to television has increased with a reputed £6.5 million a year income from ITV and £20 million a year from the US. If you follow (and agree) with this logic then two conclusions are possible. The first is that it is becoming increasingly irrelevant to Simon to have a winner who sells records and more relevant to Simon to get a winner who is a TV performer and TV star. The second conclusion is that in the great scheme of things it doesn't matter to Simon who wins X-Factor as long as the programme tops the ratings, remains the topic of water-coooler conversation and stays making headlines.
What I think it all means is that although Cowell says he will leave the Country if Wagner wins. The truth is he couldn't give a monkeys.
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Of course he would care LG
But only because he would know it was the public directly trying to spite him. I agree about the money considerations, any unlucky loser to Wagner (see the Popbitch thing btw ;-) ) would get massive publicity. |
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I see your point laughing but I still think ideally he'd have a good singer as the winner rather than a Wagner/Jedward.
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Bit embarrassing when he tries to explain on US chat shows how his UK production was won by an aging Brazilian pervert
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George
Not QUITE how I'd have put it by I see the point! |
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I agree the most important thing for him is that the tv show is a ratings success.
I agree with GB though, I'm sure he'd want a credible winner in the end for the reasons GB gives and also to shut up the likes of Sting and Elton. |
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i agree with everything
laughing gravy Joined: 14 Jun 01 Replies: 633 25 Nov 10 16:37 I am just going to run this one up the flagpole to see if anyone salutes. Over the years we are all used to forumites posting threads along the lines of "so and so is Simon Cowell's chosen one because he/she/they will sell records". My theory is that this statement holds less and less water as the years roll on. The reason for my theory is that I suspect that record sales pale into comparison for Simon compared with the God that is television. Let me explain. The value of the record industry is falling sharply. In the last 10 years alone revenues for recorded music (including downloads) have declined by 25%. Diversely, Simon's value to television has increased with a reputed £6.5 million a year income from ITV and £20 million a year from the US. If you follow (and agree) with this logic then two conclusions are possible. The first is that it is becoming increasingly irrelevant to Simon to have a winner who sells records and more relevant to Simon to get a winner who is a TV performer and TV star. The second conclusion is that in the great scheme of things it doesn't matter to Simon who wins X-Factor as long as the programme tops the ratings, remains the topic of water-coooler conversation and stays making headlines. What I think it all means is that although Cowell says he will leave the Country if Wagner wins. The truth is he couldn't give a monkeys |
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I think you miss the point here entirely LG.
As soon as someone like Jedward or Wagner wins the show then the core fanbase loses interest and Cowell loses credibility. Remember Cowell is known for having the midas touch andonce he loses that image then his ability to hold ITV to ransom goes out of the window. If you dont understand what i'm saying then try reading 'the goose that laid the golden eggs' as I think that explains it rather nicely. Wagner winning would be a ratings smash but then the whole x factor brand would be terminally damaged and with him rolling it out in America it just isnt going to be allowed to happen. |
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I agree that just about all the money is from the TV shows, and there is not so much money in selling records.
However, I believe SCowell has one heck of an ego to not only produce a "credible" winner who he could possibly sell to the States (ie. Leona) but also a winner he likes. His utter disappointment was apparent when Leon won and in the speech he made to Rhydian. Regardless of how much money and power someone has, they still want to be "right" and seen to be right. |
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Cowell leaves the country every year after X Factor to go to Barbados for his Christmas holiday!
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I think you've just explained why it is impossible and inconceivable that Wagner will win, HF. Just like it was for Jedward last year.
Cowell knows how important the credibility of his TV product is. But he also knows how important controversy and votes are. He wants people to believe he is genuinely worried about Wagner winning - someone who has apparently never been out of the top 3 - yet he continues to put him on week after week in a near-pimp slot. He knows the true votes, and he knows exactly what he's doing. When the time is right and Wagner has served his purpose, he will be dispensed with.Then Cowell gets his credible winner, plus an incredibly talked-about and controversial series, and a sh1tload of voting revenue. He may be in league with the devil, but there's no denying he's good. |
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the show is more than 50% dedicated to losers that are only there for a laugh (the heats) and a few on the live shows waggy , jedward, chico etc
after the show its like BigBrother nobody cares about who was in the show and who won its all about the show the winner means nothing and as for america all that matters there is that its a ratings winner, the american tv channels have no intrest in making a singing star and neather do the public, S Cowell knows its panto and so do most of the public, its only a few on here that are out of touch that think its a singing comp |
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spot on deejay
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sorry but ratings = credible valuable show
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There are some things that money cant buy and one of those things is celebrity. A person like Roman Obramovich is worth billions and he has wealth no one could possibly spend. The main reason why people like him buy so called trophy assets is because its gives them celebrity.
I am sure Cowell was motivated by money entirely when he first got into the music industry but now he is so waelthy that i think his celebrity is just as important as the money. Normally when people buy trophy assets in the pursuit of celebrity they pay a premium for doing so but sometimes celebrity is also a money earner. That is the case with Cowell who trades of his image and in business Richard Branson has done the same. I am sure Cowell is loving the controversial publicity of this years xfactor with Katie and Wagner but i do think he would prefer a credible winner. |
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if Cowell was in a meeting wth other industry execs and big wigs would he boast about a) ratings the newspaper headlines and the the cash the show makes ,
b) or how good a singer the winner was i dont think b gets a look in |
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and as for america all that matters there is that its a ratings winner, the american tv channels have no intrest in making a singing star and neather do the public,
S Cowell knows its panto and so do most of the public, its only a few on here that are out of touch that think its a singing comp Sorry Mach but you couldn't be more wrong if you tried. In USA AI is taken very seriously indeed and the amount of multi-platinum selling artists it has produced over there is mind boggling. It is considered cool in America, I mean Quentin Tarantino turns up as a guest judge FFS. Cowells credibility is actually far more important to him in USA than it is over here as he earns far more that side of the pond. If you think he would launch American X Factor on the back of wagner winning then you must be slightly deranged. Wagner cannot be high in the vote or Cowell would stop giving him good slots and when waggy is needed no more he will be dispatched with maximum efficiency. |
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^ what he said
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ok Waggy would not work in america
what america worships is success, tarantinos best work is behind him, he will turn up becouse he is asked becouse it is successfull, and its prob a lot of fun being a judge |
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Utterly superb post and one I have been banging on about since the start of X-Factor. TV - the money from votes, ad revenue and other commercial spin offs including overseas rights for SyCo TV - is where it's at. If you get a 'war' like RATM vs Joe McElderry last year, which helps boost (Cowell's performers) record sales then all well and good butr that can't be relied upon every year. Get as much PR and coverage for the show itself and you're weeling home the zlotys bigtime ...which is why Wagner-as-pantomine-act is gold dust as it generates publicity and is fans have to vote in droves for an act that would be a lame duck otherwise. KER-CHING!!! |
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without question, just not to win it
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I'll never forget the way he stitched up his own act eggnog in the semi-final this is clear evidence that it does matter to him to get a credible winner. joke acts winning would make the show farcical and it would probably end up going down the big brother route e.g. loss of viewers and the chop.
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if anyone with a brain thinks the scum across the pond would get wagner
then you underestimate the most naive nation on earth |
