Something doesn't add up?

they were all out that night

Facebook is made up of mostly teenagers. The voters on X Factor are made up mostly of 30 something+

wot TM says.

I know jack won't agree though

It was the same with Vickers and Eggnong a mile clear of everyone their year and ending up 3rd and 4th,

The amazing thing is how poorly 1D are doing on there.

they'll be laughing when they get all Cher's fans

Both of them

1D's votership seems to be 20 -40 women and 40 - 70 blokes to me

interesting and perhaps the biggest bone of contention amongst us analysts is one d's chance. i honestly believe a few of us are allowing our opinion of them to cloud our judgment re voting potential.

but even so, let's face it, matt's prob going to win this thing

I honestly don't mind them too much nick. They don't repel me, put it that way. I'm not a paedo btw

But I subscribe to the fig view of their ultimate vote-winning potential.

didnt think you were gb...

yeah it's fascinating, and the key to making money - understanding the demographic of the voters in the final

The fear - and you can see it in the odds - is that Cowell can ramp them home. 

But he likes Rebecca equally if not more, doesn't need them to win, and will have trouble stopping Matt

by the way TM:

Facebook is made up of mostly teenagers.

this statement is utter utter garbage....

teenagers make up less than a quarter of UK facebook users.

I thought Facebook was an upgraded Friends Reunited, ie. bored housewives looking for their first love/old boyfriends.

it's made up mostly of stalkers like me squares....

Those who would join a facebook group supporting a particular XF act are mostly teenagers I suspect.

GTL is right, Facebook is not made up of mostly teenagers!!!
If it was One Direction would have way more fans!!!!!

The reason Cher has so many Facebook fans is because she is way more popular outside the UK!!

this is important

facebook isnt largely a teenage social network, like, say bebo or myspace - it's much more middle class and also older....

so, surely these stats are of relevance and cant be dismissed lightly

they surprise me, but the obvious explanation is that page views do not necessarily translate to support. cher has notoriety, she is interesting, people may well want to view her performances, but they may well not like her enough to vote for her, this is the way i see it anyway.

views?

yep that's probably true fll - but in terms of facebook demographics, teenagers are not THAT big a group.

20-29 year olds are a big proportion.

roughly as many teenagers on facebook as people over the age of 40.  uk-wise anyway.

Total numbers irrelevant

Vast majority of Cher's fans were accumulated before the live shows. There's a lot of stale support in there.

1 Direction's page wasn't started until after they formed, so everyone else had a massive headstart on them.

But yes rate of increase is the thing to watch with these numbers. Total numbers mean little.

what jack said - totally agree with that.

yep, fair enough - any stats on rte of increase jack

Check out Jack's Stats thread [;)]

nickf**kface: Those figures at the top are number of FANS, not number of PAGE VIEWS.

jack12321: Your point that theres a lot of stale support is not true either because you can unlike pages on Facebook. So for instance if one liked Cher during the auditions they can unlike her after seeing her on the live shows and so her number of fans would decrease.

I'm pretty sure its the fact Cher is alot more popular outside the UK is the reason she has so many Facebook Fans.

She may well have a big fan base but who would have been motivated to vote after that performance? Same can be said for Rebecca who was poor no doubt massive fanbase but that doesn't mean she topped the votes on saturday. If the stats they reveal online when the show has finished show anything it's the fact the votes fluctuate all the time with various different acts topping the votes each week. Whilst having a big fanbase is no doubt a good thing, it doesn't mean they are going to vote every week especially if the act doesn't peform, we're out-shined etc. There's still plenty who vote for who was the best on the night.

Ashley_Young: What website do you get them stats from? Not being smart, btw.

itv.com will put the voting figures at the end of the show, here is last years

http://xfactor.itv.com/2009/_uploads/documents/091213_votestats.pdf

Wagner's figures there are totally inaccurate.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1332202/X-Factor-2010-Wagner-half-X-Factor-vote-week.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

Talking of innacurate figures

For those who don't believe the figures at the top here is a link to Cher's Facebook page
http://www.facebook.com/home.php?#!/cherlloydmusic.
You can get all other contestants pages there too.

1,100,106 is what her fanbase is at now!! GO CHER, she is the best by far!!

donal - those figures don't really mean that much.  where were these 1,100,106 "fans" at the weekend when she finished in the bottom two (and very likely was bottom of the vote)?

Being chased by somebody angry about shoddy workmanship on a driveway

On the Xfactor poll this weekend, on Facebook, she got got 16% from 3,000 plus votes

In the real world she probably got around 6%

gb

rebecca de best

Jack is spot on!

jack12321 22 Nov 10 20:01
Total numbers irrelevant

Vast majority of Cher's fans were accumulated before the live shows. There's a lot of stale support in there.

1 Direction's page wasn't started until after they formed, so everyone else had a massive headstart on them.

But yes rate of increase is the thing to watch with these numbers. Total numbers mean little.

cher has no chance

Tutunka1: As I said already you can unlike a page (stop being a fan) and so the whole stale support thing doesn't make sense. If these Facebook fans are sick of her, they can just unlike the page!

One Direction are terrible and bring nothing in the shape of originality to the show. They are five tossers, who think they are the shizz!!!! Can't stand that Zane fella who refused to dance at bootcamp. He should have being told 'If you don't want to dance, you can f**k off'!!

Tutunka1: As I said already you can unlike a page (stop being a fan) and so the whole stale support thing doesn't make sense. If these Facebook fans are sick of her, they can just unlike the page!

how many people can bother though?  i like plenty of things on FB that i'm not actually interested in any more.  plus being a fan once upon a time doesn't necessarily translate to liking enough to vote right now.  analysing social networks and their importance is a lot more complicated than just adding the numbers.

back to the point though - if FB fans are so relevant, then why was she in the bottom 2?

donal totally agree 1d are shocking imo;but then again i saw westlife in concert and they were shocking too;its amazing what they can do with modern technology these days

GTL: I accept your point, but as I said already she has alot more fans outside the UK and they can't vote for her. She is the only one left who could make it bug worldwide and the people of the UK should get behind her rather than calling her all the name under the sun!!!!

assuming what you say is true about her global appeal (i disagree myself, personally think she'd be laughed out of the US, that's if they let her in), it's hard to deny that a very large proportion of the GB public dislike her, so why should they help her become a worldwide star?

i can see her getting it on with tim westwood...

GTL: You clearly don't like Cher and I do, so we are never going to agree.
I read last week that Jay-Z likes Cher the best after her rendition of Hard Knock Life and with backing from him, she could easily make it big in the US.
I just don't understand why people dislike Cher, I understand why they might dislike Katie but Cher?

My guess is that Cher's supporters are all older teens / early 20s, and therefore out partying on a Saturday night, whereas 1D (for example) would more likely be younger girls in the 8-13 bracket.  Also, judging by my other half, 1D reach out to the older females / mums, whereas Cher doesn't have a broad enough appeal beyond her core fan base.

All guess work, of course - but anyone that polarises opinion that much is always best avoided in these shows.  Bland, middle of the road, inoffensive acts are the ones that have broad enough appeal to win!

donal

I think her 'attitude' approach and rapping will only appeal to a certain voting demograph.  A lot of day over 35's - 40's might well think 'who's that little chav'.  I'm sure you can see the point.  When she sings 'sraight' I like her but with all the rapping? ..... not for me sorry.

...And there you have it in a nutshell!

Lou, the voice of the over-40's

Exactly! .......... just mind you.

tbf I think she's a rancid pikey chav and I'm 39

I did 'spread' at 35-40 though george so not bad!

I feel the same - and I'm a relative youngster at a sprightly 38!

Figures obtained from their offical Facebook page!!

Cher Lloyd  1,099,124 ----- 1,109,158  Increase of 10,034
Matt Cardle 354,072 -------   361,429  Increase of  7,357
One Direction 175,487------   182,308  Increase of  6,821
Rebecca Ferguson 100,889 --   104,340  Increase of  3,451
Mary Byrne 99,959 ---------   101,588  Increase of  1,629
Wagner 54,860 -------------    59,604  Increase of  4,744
Katie Waissel 37,208-------    38,582  Increase of  1,374

Paije Richardson 23,099----    24,628  Increase of  1,529

STALE SUPPORT THEORY GOES OUT THE WINDOW!!!!!!

Cher supporters to vote this weekend!!

i've not read all the thread but the above figures you have just posted imo indicate what poor value 1D are in the outright. I would of thought 1D would of been receiving the main chunk of their vote from the younger audience. APPEARS NOT!
note to myself . . . stay green on matt & becca

cheers donal

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are you fooking kidding? cant believe that


IF SO


that is very sad

Why would it surprise you?

Most self-respecting teens and twenties are out getting sh1t faced

^ this is the key point. think what you were like when you were 20. if you stayed in on a sat you were a sad b astard

15 years ago my life wouldn't have been worth living if I stayed in on Saturday watching that

And the younger ones, of course, have the purse strings and phone controlled by mum and dad to some extent

teenagers make up less than a quarter of UK facebook users.

It's not just about user numbers (and teens are disproportionately high), equally important is how they use it, what they use it for.

so just the 6 years between 13 and 19 make up a whopping 25% of Facebook users in the UK? That is huge! must be every teen in the country on FB...

i would say the majority of teenagers in the uk would be on facebook, not to mention other social networking sites. although traditionally it was considered to be the most middle class (bebo - teenage demographic, myspace more class ubiquitous) it has recently grown to such an extent that it would actually be quite strange for a teenager to not be on it - they would have to be taking a bit of a stand or just be part of luddites anonymous

Figures obtained from the contestants offical Twitter pages:

Matt Cardle 99,503
Cher Lloyd 87,679
One Direction 63,782
Katie Waissel 62,664
Rebecca Ferguson 31,802
Wagner 10,723
Mary Byrne 8,467

If you went with these figures Matt Cardle, Cher and 1D should make the final.