Cowell said he favours Rebecca over Matt

His Matt de-ramp could lead to transference to Aiden not Rebecca.

Nobody can deramp Matt unless matt lets em. He had a slight dip for part of a song that he rescued and both he and Cowell acted as if his career was over.

He is good enough not to slip agaim but is he good enough to stop the judges from psyching him out. Good but not as good as "Your face" is a great mind fkr. It saw Garcia off. He has the vocal intrument to win this has he got the mental one?

Not one word of criticism has been said to rebecca when she sounds the same every week has no personality and no expression. And there will be no criticism of her or 1 direction.

A poll on DS (lou's favourite) -

Rebecca v Matt. Who Wins? You Decide.

Rebecca 51%
Matt  48%

Created on Nov 8, 2010
Total Votes: 89

Matt more marmite?

I certainly hate him. It's impossible to hate the lovely Rebecca.

Melv

Yes I think that.  Rebecca's obviously done well and is in with a real chance but all jokes/quips aside she has done the exact same thing every single week.  Matt doesn't do a great deal to be fair but at least he's played his guitar, sat singing on a stool, took the mic' from the stand and moved a little, at least that's something! 

She does come across as boring, almost too shy and whilst she's a nice quiet girl I'm sure no one seems to mention that she just does the same thing yet they pulled up Mary after two weeks of it?

A touch of shyness is a positive in all of these shows.

Here's another poll that Figgy somehow (strange that) missed.  Matt's a fraction in front ................ double Rebecca's vote!

That's not the question that will be asked though Lou.

Rebecca or Matt is.

..or probably will be.

Figgy

Ok when they're asking "Who is your Favourite" they must be deliberately voting for someone else then?  Right!

admittedly, Matt is multi-talented.  He can play a guitar whilst sitting on a stool!

CRABS GLAD your taking aunt sally bait...baaaaaaaaaaa

crab

Yes lambs to the slaughter isn't it1

No Lou.

They're answering the question in front of them.

34% state Matt
18% state Rebecca.

When asked who their favourite is.

It's who the other 48% chose when their favorite goes out which is the important bit.

It looks like many more will go the way of Rebecca than Matt.
But it's early days and just one poll.

In terms of personality Rebecca and Matt are very similar in that they both come across as very shy and modest and appear awkward on stage. I dont know what is is though about Matt but i personally cant warm to him the same way i can with Rebecca. Maybe its just down to the fact that i think Rebecca is absolutely gorgeous.

I do think Rebecca could do with some styling help. She often wears unflattering clothes which dont highlight her amazing legs.

Ok then Figgy on the question in front of them "Who's your favourite" Matt gets about double Rebecca's vote.  A thrashing.  What's your answer to that?

paddletoe

She's an attractive girl but her legs are her worst asset.  The tops are like tree trunks!

I've given my amswer Lou.

It suggests he's more marmite, which is generally bad in these shows.

Ok you stick with that.

update -

Rebecca v Matt. Who Wins? You Decide.

Rebecca 50%
Matt 49%

Created on Nov 8, 2010
Total Votes: 156

She has supermodel material legs. They go on forever. She just appears frumpy on live singing nights because she wears very unflattering outfits and has a very awkward and shy stage presence.

Will do Lou

paddletoe

To each his own but I've seen threads around mentioning her awful chubby legs which I can see myself are rather large to say the least.

Rebecca v Matt. Who Wins? You Decide.   Rebecca 48%
                                           Matt 52%
Created on Nov 8, 2010
Total Votes: 169


Matt now winning ANOTHER poll!

Chubby legs are positive in these shows.

But hats aren't obviously?

Everyone knows hats have always been a big negative Lou.

You need to stay behind for extra study.

Matt takes the lead.

Rebecca v Matt. Who Wins? You Decide.

Rebecca 46%
Matt 53%

Created on Nov 8, 2010
Total Votes: 208

plus rebecca is 100 more times more marketable than matt,fact

lay

Once again not a FACT ............... just your opinion.

Watch this ......................... plus Matt is 100 more times more marketable than Rebecca, fact

So what makes you right?

Oh dear ................. another easy win?

Rebecca v Matt. Who Wins? You Decide.

Rebecca   45%

Matt      54%

Created on Nov 8, 2010
Total Votes: 229

lay

I see you choose not to answeer again ..........................

hmmmmmmmm

Lou,nobody is denying that matt is ahead at the moment,but at the moment will not win you a sausage.

Hi Lou, if the final were to happen tomorrow Matt would win, I think we all know that, so quoting polls showing him in the lead is a bit pointless.  However, any objective observer can see that there are question marks over his humility, judgement, the support he is likely to get from TPTB when it really matters, plus a possible anti vote should he get to the final two stage.

Rebecca back ahead in the poll, and its only half/time

The beginnings of an unstoppable campaign Lou ;-)

bunny

I'm only quoting Figgy's poll because he showed 1 poll where she was ahead (she no longer is even in that one!) but conveniently seems to forget every other poll we hear about Matt's not only in front but a long long way clear?  Strange how he doesn't mention them?

Fair enough Lou, but given the head start that Matt had after two brilliant audition process performances I am susprised that Rebecca is even close, but I wouldn't mind betting that the gap is closing.

She's back in front Lou :)

Rebecca v Matt. Who Wins? You Decide.

Rebecca 51%
Matt  48%

Created on Nov 8, 2010
Total Votes: 413


Marmite Matt in trouble.

How do we know she is close?  Every poll bar one I've seen has him a mile in front.  She's barley second in the polls in a photo with Aiden.

Make that barely!

If I had the choice I'd give Rebecca one too.

lou, can you not see that a poll putting matt up against rebecca is pretty interesting?

a poll with all 9 remaining contestant has a large chunk of people supporting 7 other acts.  if those 7 acts were eliminated, their supporters would have to go somewhere.  some to matt, some to rebecca.  exactly where they'd go is highly important.

however, final night polls are all pretty irrelevant right now.  the only key KEY stats in any polls at this moment are those at the bottom.  plenty of time for things to change at the top.

boh!

Rebecca is only 5-2.

That's seriously worth mentioning as there is so much factored into that price already, such as never visiting b2 (must be a possiblity later on imo) and not having a bad week.

All the good players on here know it's not just about singing, yet Rebecca offers very little in the way of personality/votability.

I couldn't touch her at the price (although I don't rate her chances in any case) much in the same way I couldn't touch Matt.

I dont get this Rebecca has no personality nonsense,there is nothing false or pretentious about her at all,everyone who talks about her says how lovely she is,she is a normal girl with a god given talent,thats enough for me.

In context of the xf, Denman.

cider, out of interests, which of the 9 remaining contestants have "personality"?

Wasn't Leona shy and gawky through most of it too?

Cher, Katie, Vagner(!) Grime in a weird way.

It's not the point really, I'm saying a 5-2 shot that is behind on all decent measures has weakness in that area.

Leona was two levels ahead of anyone else tho.
I'm not at all convinced that Rebecca's singing style will appeal to the mass Saturday night audience.

cher - vile personality
katie - deluded personality
wagner - funny enough
grimshaw - yep i guess so, plus does a great wallace impression!

I like Cher and I like Katie (betting aside obv).

Cher's a pocket terrorist and Katie knows it's just a game and is having the time of her life winding everyone up No Doubt.

The Rebecca v Matt debate is one which has just really surfaced in the past week or so.

The fact of the matter is that up to now Matt has been ahead - I'll give him that. However the gap is getting shorter and shorter. Whether there is a gap at all right now is a matter of personal taste.

When all the dead wood has been filtered out and you're ultimately left with Matt or Rebecca. Who does all the dead wood support transfer to?

When you compare personalities they are quite similar. Matt has tried to play a game from day 1 with the confidence card, BUT his derogatory remarks about other contestants and little cracks which have started to appear about his private life that are now in the public domain, are doing him no good whatsoever.

The other fact that must be conceded is that the momentum is certainly with Rebecca right now. Whether that continues remains to be seen. As we all know ladies and gents, this is a marathon, not a sprint.

I'm sure SC would be happy with either as winner, but I think he sees greater potential and appeal across the pond for Rebecca.

normally i'd be making the same sort of call cider

but the 5/2 is more a reflection on the people in places 3,4,5 and 6 in the market

they've all had a pimp slot and they've all shown next to no improvement.

apart from cher,they've got worse every week....and cher simply can't beat a half decent matt or rebecca in a saturday
night itv popularity contest.

but cher carries the large x- factor P improve

This is what I don't get though.  How do we know 'the gap is getting shorter and shorter'?  She MAY be even getting more votes.

Denman

To answer your question below I don't think there's nothing false or pretentious about her, she seems a very nice girl don't get me wrong.  She just hasn't moved form the spot in 5 weeks, not even touchimg the mic' or stand.  You'd think especially being a girl she'd be able to move a bit wouldn't you?  She just comes across too shy for me and a bit boring.  Every song seems the same and she just doesn't have the 'wow' factor IMO.

I dont get this Rebecca has no personality nonsense,there is nothing false or pretentious about her at all,everyone who talks about her says how lovely she is,she is a normal girl with a god given talent,thats enough for me.

She just comes across too shy for me and a bit boring.  Every song seems the same and she just doesn't have the 'wow' factor IMO.

for my money, you could be talking about matt.

Do you think that the majority of potential voters would be able to recall what Rebecca sung on Saturday, aa?

I'm not laying, that's not my game but to me there's no upside to backing at these levels at all.

Cider

I agree.  Can't remember one of her songs.  Has she sang the same one each week so far?

probably not.

to be 5/2 having sung the songs she has so far and in the positions on the show...is a quite a stretch.

it's a bit like Red Rums 3rd grand national win....they're not doing very much behind her

aa

She's got a bit in front of her though but looking like a two horse race at this stage.

^ arse has gone

Only 8 people reading this thread??

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Lou - This is what I don't get though.  How do we know 'the gap is getting shorter and shorter'?  She MAY be even getting more votes.

She may well be!

A few indicators are kind of suggesting that the gap is getting shorter...
1. Market
2. Social networking sites stats and stats from twitter etc
3. Papers are starting to ramp her.
4. Online polls now have them neck and neck in popularity.
5. Cowell is telling the masses she is the one to vote for.

A friend who would follow XF and knows that I have a strong interest in Rebecca, (though not involved himself) said he never saw Cowell as animated and blatant in his support of a contestant as last Saturday night

NXRBL

1.  The market?  Matt down to 13/8 dfrom 11/4 in one week?

2.  What social networking sites?

3.  What papers?  The Sun for instance highlighted Matt again today.

4.  Online polls have Matt a mile clear apart from the one Figgy started himself where they are 50/50.  NOTW had matt a mile clear on Sunday too.

5.  Cowell isn't telling the masses she's the one to vote.  Pushed into naming one act of the two for a recording contract he said rebecca.  that's hardly telling the masses who to vote!

fk me this doc on C4 is gripping stuff.

Lou, I won't argue.
I take your points on board. We'll agree to disagree.
Have a quick look back at the Cowell ramp after Rebecca's performance and tell me he isn't encouraging the public to vote for her!
GL to you and Matt!

Good luck to you too NXRNL

I won't say 'may the best man win' as obviously you don't want to hear that.

And if you said may the best woman win, I'd say in fairness it's a coin flip between em right now!

Fair enough.  Matt far better IMO but we can only wait and see.  Best of luck.

18th Oct -  YouGov  -          Matt 26%  Rebecca 10%

5th Nov    -  ICM Research  -    Matt 30%  Rebecca 16%

Both moving away from the pack, Rebecca a little faster, Matt maintains commanding lead.

Can't remember one of her songs.  Has she sang the same one each week so far?

Lou it is understandable that I seem to hear and see a differnt thing to the rest of the planet when Rebecca apears. Being an alien from outer space.

This highly made up immobile expressionless singer seems to sound the same everyweek. She sings highly distinctive songs yet manages to get them to all sound the same. Yet half the country seem to think she is the next Aretha Franklin or summat.

Are you extraterrestrial too?

I think I must be!

I would say about 16% of the country think she's the best thing whereas Matt about 30% so a teeny weeny lead at the polls.  Aiden for second, Cher/Rebecca 3rd?

This thread will seem very humorous when Aiden is announced the winner, hmm... actually it's quite funny now come to think of it.

Some really good points been put forward, I think their is a few here that seem to be a bit blinkered, Rebecca is on a different level from the lot, comments like she doesnt move, you cant remember any of her songs are laughable, you are obviously paying to much attention to your own act and assuming its a one horse race. You go through all Rebecca's live shows and you will see the real star of the show, Cowell has known this from day one. Matt has sung his bootcamp song very early into this competition, which surprised me considering he sing it really well, thought he may have kept it for the final or later on in the competition, considering he has sung this twice and we are only halfway, both are nearly the same price. Rebecca has been the most consistent, been given all the early slots so far, some dodgy songs, been kept very low key in the press. I think she could be one of the strongest acts ever to come out these shows.

I must say the early slots are a bit of a worry. But the massive ramping form Simon and the rest of his poodles must go some way to couteract that.

Not much to say about Rebecca in the press. She an amazing singer, she is better the Leona, "Beyonce says Rebbecca is  better than Aretha". "Aretha sends a message from beyond the grave to say Rebbecca is the best singer there ever could be. God concurs!"

is that urethra franklin

She gets very little press, much like Joe and Alexandra.
She is a lovely young woman though. Cowell and the other judges keep telling us so. Much like Joe and Alexandra again. Although in Joe's case not a young woman obviously

fwiw I can't remember one song that Joe sang, but can remember all of Rebecca's. I've listened to them a couple of dozen times each.

..oh and she moved more in teardrops than Marmite matt has throughout.
Not that it matters. I agree with bunny. It's a ludicrous criticism

It's like going to watch a ballet and complaing about the lack of singing.

Utter rubbish!  It's surely expected of her to move at least an inch.  She's like a statue!

fwiw I can't remember one song that Rebecca sang, but can remember all of Matts. I've listened to them a couple of dozen times each.

There's no accounting for taste Lou ;)

I repeast . She moved in teardrops. Matt han't moved at all

Matt has moved ..... a little, he's played his guitar just to do SOMETHING different.  The emotion in his song comes across .... look at last Saturday fabulous surely.

I think she's good but painfully shy.  Nice girl yes but too nice almost. Do SOMETHING!

Far too many saddos on this thread whose life seems to revolve around Matt v Rebecca!! [smiley:crazy]All thsi ramping for £2 quid bets, dear me.

FWIW Rebecca is different gravy from the rest, a Group 1 horse against selling platers. Matt can sing and is mostly entertaining but the momentum behind Rebecca is like a juggernaut now.

In horse racing parlance, she wins on the snaff.

charwell is spot on there

Rebecca layers clutching at straws now - give up ffs

Do you do irony charwell?

I seem to have got my £2 on at 2500/1 btw

Yes and mine at about 1600/1 on Matt so not doing TOO bad.

Charwell:

Slight eggageration?  Are you saying maybe a 9/10 horse against a 4?

FWIW Rebecca is different gravy from the rest, a Group 1 horse against selling platers.

Don't bother Lou 

You can't split them on DS -

Rebecca v Matt. Who Wins? You Decide.

Rebecca  50%
Matt 49%

Created on Nov 8, 2010
Total Votes: 591

I'm not sure where the other 1% is though

You can split them here though.  Matt has DOUBLE her vote.  You must have missed that one Figgy and obviously not seen it. (wink)

http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=1383579

GB, shirley an astute trader like you would trade out for a free bet at those odds and lie back with a pina colada for the rest of the series??? [;)]

Shirley might, but I can't be arsed to trade off M&R to give me a winner in the likes of Cher tbh

AS we're talking about just these two, is this a real tortoise and hare situation?


IMO, Matt acquired a lot of his fanbase before the live shows and during the early live shows. 

Will all of those fans stick with him through thick and thin (I'm sure some would still be defending him if he came out and did The Birdy Song) or will some of them slowly tire of him?

Has he shown us most of what he has to give already or is there much better to come?

Will he be able to up his game enough to pick up new fans?

We don't know for sure but we can form our own opinions regards what is likely to occur.

We only saw glimpses of Rebecca before the live shows.  Some ordinary viewers might not really have been that aware of her before then.

She started in early slots with understated songs flying under the radar a little.  Then the better songs and good performances start kicking in.  People start to notice her, she starts gaining her fanbase.  Maybe people want to hear more of her.  Perhaps we haven't seen all that she has to offer.

Is she able to continue to improve and up her game more and more to increase her fanbase?  Will the late slots she is due help her in this?

Squarhetoric -
Spot on with the evaluation, mate...
Regarding Matt having more to offer -  he could do a male song, take Danni's hand out of his a$$ and blow us all away

fwiw I can't remember one song that Joe sang, but can remember all of Rebecca's. I've listened to them a couple of dozen times each.

Didn't you used to say her first few performances were poor? But I can imagine having her green does add a rich timbre and altogether different tonal quality to her voice.

Joking aside this may be an example of Rebecca, like many good things, being somewhat of an acquired taste for many. Which may indicate increasing future support for her.

I certainly thought the first two performances were very dull and predictable

During Wicked Game though I realised she was turning something very dull into being worth watching. It might have been a going home song for anyone else.

This week was streets ahead for me, one of this shows finest and most subtle performances

So I think I went green based on what she was actually doing

I am bored with the rival camps repeating the same thing.Lets turn to the title of this discusion.

Why has Cowell said he prefers Rebbecca over Matt.

He is a honest little soul and he cannot help but tell the truth and he beieves rebbecca will sellmore recoeds and he want her to win.

All the Cowell wants is to grow the xfactor brand. he therfore wants lots of attention on his show. One way of doing this is to provoke excotement by geting two rival groups of suppoerts at it. So he says this is the Matt v Rebbecca contest.

Now this is the biggest question. Which would create the most hoo haaa ramping Matt agianst Rebecca or ramping rebbecca against Matt. Discus.

As a thought experiment. Which gets the public going most.

Attention seeking pundit says Rooney is better than George Best.
Attention seeking pundit says George Best is better then Rooney.

I hope someone takes this challenge on. This Ya boo stuff is going nowhere.

yes and cher wins ang gets everyone talking

Cher would be Emile Heskey in melv's analogy.

Henry - I never said she was poor, just not note perfect in the 1st few weeks. The last 2 she's been amazing, but I take you're point. I think we're all guilty of seeing things through green and red eyes at times.
I also doubted whether Cowell would support her all the way through. That's beyond question now.