Premieir league bosses hang your heads in shame.

How many foreigners were playing here in 74,78,94 when we did not qualify?

How are failures 20 years ago and more relevant to today? The guy has a point. Also the premier league is over rated and the established players like Rooney and Gerrard think they're better than they are. They're exposed at every World Cup. As long as people keep paying Sky stupid money to watch the premier league England will continue to fail.

thank you autocue

if young english players are not given the chance at home, why don't they move abroad? The EPL pillages the Dutch league for their young players before sending 3 out of 4 home a few years later worse players than they were when they left Holland. Why don't some of these fantastic young English players move to Holland?

what price did england (football) go off at?

..against Costa? around 1.85.

thanks

Because the Dutch don't have a P/L to
finance the wages required to tempt
them away.

the TV money means that even ordinary players in this country are being paid silly money so why would anybody ever consider leaving to play somewhere else for lower wages.

besides if you move abroad you might have less chance of getting a game as you are competing with more skillful players.

Market forces - won't change because it makes money.

Whether England play well at sporadic tournaments is irrelevant to a business.

The Premier League have nothing to do with England, so why should they care?

Ted Brogan is right.

The Premier League is a corporation owned by owners who don't reap any benefits from the bi-yearly competitions that England participate in.

I've lived in the UK now since 2001 and have watched how the Premier League feel less and less 'English'. 

Any English player that does well in the PL usually has someone with English as a second or third language beside him.

That said, English football players in general lack the passion and pride when you watch other countries get together on the pitch and come across as 'business as usual' and it might as well be a pre-season exhibition game in Tokyo.

Will Team England bring home trophies from either competition in our lifetime?  I doubt it.

Will the PL make more and more money as a 'brand'.  Yes.

Does the FA stand a chance versus the PL?  Not an ounce.

Failures of 20 years plus show that England fans expect too much, it is part of the English psyche in that this once great country can go out of the competition at the first stage.

So it's SKY'S fault that England have not qualified, get real England have won 1 World Cup, when played at home. I loved the 1990 squad but they were very lucky, we then had 98 and 02 when we had a good squad but came up short against very good teams. At the moment we just don't have the players and the manager has made some errors.

In a few years all Premier League teams will have one "token" English player, only there to keep the mug fan base happy.

if kincesem is right the england managers job would be impossible ,well its pratically impossible now, as the squad would be filled up with championship players

Jun 26, 2014 -- 12:03AM, iprefertolay wrote:

if kincesem is right the england managers job would be impossible ,well its pratically impossible now, as the squad would be filled up with championship players

What exactly is stopping players from going to play outside of England?

Premier League couldn't give a toss about the English national team. hth

In 98 and 02, we only had about 30% foreigners in the EPL, now it is 72% and watching the game between Switzerland and Honduras, one of the commentators, stated that some of these Honduras players look good, I bet there's a few managers hoping to sign these players for Premier League clubs. The fact is, there wasn't 1 Honduras player, that looked any better than Division 1 quality. Home grown talent, has little chance, I suggest they take up another sport, like Golf, Cricket, Tennis or Rugby U/League.

Comparisons with the past dont really cut it. for a start in the Qualifiers you didnt have a play off game and only the winners went through

For 74 we lost out to Poland(who went on to be the 3rd place team in the WC) and probably had more shots on target in that Fateful game at Wembley than our last two whole tournaments with the keeper having one of those nights

In 78 we were unlucky to be in a group with Italy and lost out on goal difference finishing second

Different format for the Euro's and we lost out to the eventual winners, West Germany, in a two legged semi final in 72, whilst only finishing runners up to the eventual 76 winners Czechoslavakia in the qualifying group having giving them a right going over at Wembley them ruining it by drawing at home with portugal

And we were Pipped by the Dutch for the world cup 1994... i hazard a guess that our recent qualying record wouldnt be that great if we faced the same kind of opponents these days

i agree yet again,cricketnut
as for brogan the simple answer is money

At some stage the Premiership will have to sit up and take notice. I predict a backlash prompted by stupid pay for average performance. At some stage even thick fans will not pay to support a damaging system. Can't say when but it will happen.

autocue also on board thank you.

That will not happen Autocue the Premiership is bigger than the national team

It may seem strange Steamship but I support the national team NOT the premiership!

Have you gone to England away games?

Backfill the other 72% or even 50% from the reserves or championship who lets face it, wont be lighting up a world cup if they cant get in a club side. Forwards get even more overconfident playing Birmingham City defenders. Defenders get overconfident dealing with  late thirties journeyman forwards. Absolutely clueless by the time we get to a major tournament. Dont see how any of this is helping.

look how many people believed the media spin about how well england played against italy.

players like sterling, rooney and sturridge were hopeless and did nothing apart from sticking their head down and running until they lost the ball.
there was no teamwork. only a collection of glory hunters all desperate to be the one to score.

everybody wanted barkley to come on and when he did arrive he did the same as the rest.
head down and run until he lost the ball.

yet he was hailed as a success just like the others.

I think if barkley listens to martinez he can be a major player for his club and his country in the future, but unfortunately he is nowhere near world class at the moment. 
If he keeps progressing he could well be a top class player one day although looking at that england team he is the only one who looks to have any possibilities. 

the rest look decidedly ordinary.

how many of our international squad play for a foreign team ?.................answers on the back of a postage stamp please

Fabio Capello's Russia is out. 

Former manager.

Further testament to the FA's ability to manage the country.

After Roy, I doubt anyone except Steve McClaren

....will want the job

'arry is still digging away in the background

I agree with the OP

If this world cup has shown anything it is that you can train and coach footballers to be international standard
Into a competitive team too
World class standard is different but that can be short lived (ie spain)

There are a lot of overseas players in the EPL being payed world class wages and are not producing
I think Man City understand this
THey have indeed inflated the transfer market to get to where they are. In the long term they will look to young talent to make up the majority of their squad, while still being in the market for the likes of Aguero, Silva, Yaya to put the icing on the cake so to speak

It must be the way to go
Young British talent need a rounded education as well as coaching to be top players
So they understand that its not all about the bling

EPL clubs need a far sighted strategy for the good of  the game, the youngsters and the national team

I agree with yourself and the OP that we obviously havent got the quality of players to challenge for the world cup. Even with a top manager who could have got us the 5 points we needed (not inconceivable considering the goals we conceded in the first 2 and the understrength team we played in the 3rd game), we still didnt have the quality to go any further than quarter finals at best. There is undoubtedly work to do in coaching, grass roots, team management etc.

I dont agree the reason has anything to do with foreigners in the epl though. Imagine rolling back twenty years and continuing with our old first division instead. Then imagine uefa sets up a european superleague to attract the cream of europe/the world. Would we honestly be begging our best players not to play in it because we thought we would have a better national team with them staying in our first division? The situation we have in the epl is the same as that except its on our doorstep.

I dont even think the epl is the defining league in this world cup but surely challenging english players to compete at as high a standard as possible, just to get a game every week, is an advantage for us.

if kincesem is right the england managers job would be impossible ,well its pratically impossible now, as the squad would be filled up with championship players

arguing that too many foreigners is a bad thing makes no sense to me. if removing them would mean championship standard football in the premier league then how would it help? our english players in the championship are already playing at that standard and are not considered good enough by the english management.

presumably removing the foreign players would be more likely to drag our best players down into a more english style of football rather than improving the standard of those who currently can't break in to premier league sides. far from improving matters, it would exacerbate the issues of english players being relatively uncomfortable on the ball, unintelligent and disorganised.

having a higher proportion of scottish players in the top league in scotland hasn't done the scots any favours internationally. this too many foreigners in the premier league issue is a misguided excuse.

there is conflicting ideas no foreigners In 74 78 ican remember our teams full of irish and scots in those days and England were poor the only thing I object is ordinary foreigners I know they are cheap but it stops our kids . One not football related why did the labour party and unions support mass immigration from eastern Europe which has cost loads of jobs for our youngsters? Germany allowed them in stages we allowed everyone no checks

sORRY the post should sat why did the labour party and unions allow so much cheap labour in with no checks like germany

because the LAbour party hates YOU.

charlatan misses the point
of youth players not getting chances to play and develop
because of foreign players "plugging" the system

iagree totally,extreme thanks

charlatan misses the point
of youth players not getting chances to play and develop
because of foreign players "plugging" the system

but they do get to play at lower levels where the standard is similar to what it would have been in a higher level without foreigners. then the best come through to play against a better standard of opposition than was ever the case without the foreigners. so it ought to help not hinder.

and they have the example of the foreigners to learn from

charlaton,  Young English players with huge potential largely are unable to play in the Premiership as it is full of foreigner purchases by premier managers.
Ask yourself this if you were a premier boss would you play a young player before your multi million pound purchases?
The reality is the young English lads are farmed out on loan playing in an inferior league as they cant get a game!
Why do premier bosses buy foreigners? The answer is simple English players are more expensive in the market,take Luke Shaw as an example,over £30 million for a full back.
In a nutshell there should be a cap on foriegn players for all teams in the Premiership to allow young English players a chance to fulfill their potential.
IF/when the cap is implemented the English manager will have a chance for the national team to achieve the results the nation deserves.

The reality is the young English lads are farmed out on loan playing in an inferior league as they cant get a game!

They cant get a game because theyre not good enough!!! Ergo they wont be winning us a world cup!!

Every player in this world cup got there on merit, nothing to do with money.

pleasegivemean,if the premiership is nothing to do with money tell that to Man City and all thier foreieners!!
The premiership and football is ALL about money.
Rooney is on over £300k a week and he cant hack it in world cups!

If man u bosses want to pay rooney 300k then theyre mugs. Whether hes worth it or not doesnt affect our chance in a world cup though. England manager just has to pick the best 23 out of 60 odd million. Doesnt matter to him what rooney gets paid

pleasegivemean, How many of your 60 odd million are children,women,disabled,mentally ill,pensioners,sick,infirm,pakistani,welsh,scottish,irish,polish,indian etc and immigrants?

Hard to say but using Roys squad as a base id guess about 90%

so that cuts it down rather considerably dont you think, im trying to keep it simple for you, I understand its difficult for you.

I'm 41yo. 30 years ago when I was in my last year at primary school, I used to get there 45 minutes before the doors opened for a game of 23-a-side with a tennis ball. If you got the ball, you held onto it, as you might not see it again.
Same thing after school, then in for your tea and out again until your Mam came and dragged you off to bed.
Everybody knew who was the best player in your area and, trust me, technically he was mustard. But there would be another one two streets away, it's all anyone did, there was nothing else.
Kids these days simply don't do that, there are too many other distractions. Everybody has a games console and a smart phone and sports in schools is a shadow of it's former self. It's highly likely that the next Gazza is out there somewhere and has never even kicked a football.
It's no coincidence that countries with less developed economies and little in the way of a welfare state are producing better quality players, they're picking from a vastly bigger pool, as these kids having no other distractions and there is the added motivation that success will change the lives of your entire family. That's not going to change any time soon.

Desmond,superb post, totally agree. How many kids do you see playing football on the streets or parks in UK?
Also the government selling school playing fields is a national disgrace,and severly hinders the prospect of finding the next,Ennis,Gazza,Farra etc,the decision will haunt the UK for a very long time.

utter sh!te. what about Germany, Italy, Spain, France, Holland, even Switzerland.
It is only the English National team which fails so miserably every 2 years.

and 46 kids chasing a tennis ball around is great fun (spent every lunchtime at primary and secondary school doing this) but it doesn't produce footballers. that is part of the problem. football is a passing game. not some crazy melee.

loser,we know England r ****,everyone agrees,but until the FA tackle the premier league over the ludicrous 72% of foreigners playing in it nothing will change.
Read the whole posts.

don't agree with your post re foreigners either. the utter sh!te referred to the previous post about kids playing football, jumpers for goalposts blah blah. Only England fails like this and have done for decades. I can only imagine that nobody in this country REALLY wants to solve it.

do you agree regards my comments on school playfield?

i should have explained more clearly.do you agree with my comments regarding the governments stupidy in selling school playing fields for cash.

I don't know enough about the actual details of that. What I can say is when I was at primary school, yes we had our own football pitch but we didn't have a qualified sports teacher of any description. Football matches were often reffed by the 60 year old headmistress. On the other hand, my son's school doesn't have its own pitch, but they use the local park, or the local sports grounds and they have 3 specialist sports teachers with degrees in the subject. So the tuition is clearly of a different world in his case, and the facilities are better as well, albeit off site.

i would like to think that is generally true across the nation, however I fear not.

yes
pure stupidity
no investment in the future

thank you extreme.

loser, of the teams you mention, Germany have an academy system that is the envy of the world and take their extra-curricular sports very seriously, nor do they mind picking players who spent their formative years in less developed economies and so have benefited from a lack of other distractions - despite this, what have they won recently? France and Holland have been packing their teams with young players from their former colonies for years and it may have passed you by, but the Italians and Swiss are hardly world beaters themselves. Spain is barely a first world economy, outside of the big cities and holiday resorts, it's pretty much third world.
And yes, football is a passing game, but the basics of ball control are required first. How are you going to pass it if you don't have it.
I would've thought it painfully obvious that a country that has more children kicking any type ball around for more of the time would produce better players, Brazil don't seem to have done too badly over the years and this world cup is showing that the gap is narrowing. You seem to disagree? In which case what do you think is the problem?

well constructed piece,desmond

If FIFA change the World Cup to a computer game England have a chance.

Strangely enough I was chatting with a school teacher the other day and they stated, that parents for some stupid reason didn't want their kids to play sport and tried to get them out of having to do PE. Now whether that is because of the cost of buying boots and shirts I really don't know. On a Sunday morning, there used to be around 8-9 games going on at the same time. Now your lucky to find one, greedy councils don't help either, charging masses for a pitch to play on.

When I was a boy at school they provided football kits, I had to have boots.
If few kids are playing football,what chance the future?
Its not as if top football players arnt well paid!
One would think every encouragement should be given to the kids!
What a strange country we live in.

Alas I wasnt good enough, but I played every chance I got till it was dark.

I played all sports, footy, cricket, athletics, went swimming and anything else that was going and like you, we played until, it was dark. And I was totally useless at football, but loved the game and travelled all round the grounds, to watch my team. I think I did 68 League grounds in 60's 70's and 80's.