jesus england are poor

lump on them not to get out the group currently 5/4 most firms looks a steal .

the RUGBY WORLD CUP...

the competition thats only any good after the group stages...and thats if you like rugby...

AND I DONT

YOMOMMA is absolutely spot on, both with the advice about the lay at 1.67 and also his comments re the players and manager.

Roy in my opinion is a decent and honourable man, doing his best with (in world terms) very limited resources. As they say, you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.

Even if you accept that England has one or two "good" players, "good" doesn't cut it when it comes to winning the World Cup. The team is light years away from the standard needed.

10/1 to finish bottom of the group maybe worth a stab

England were dire against Honduras but it was a warm up game and the opposition looked more intent on getting a result than England judging by their physical approach. On a more positive note Hodgson has announced he is confident Oxlade-Chamberlain will make the world cup and his pace and strength is needed in midfield, when England lost Townsend, Walcott and Walker to injuries that's basically a third of your team gone so its inevitable England are having problems gelling at the moment, I was despondent at first watching these warm up games but for all England's problems the Italians look in even worse shape, their front line are not exactly a prolific scoring machine
                                         
                                          games  goals

9 FW Mario Balotelli 12 August 1990 (age 23) 30 12 Italy Milan
10 FW Antonio Cassano 12 July 1982 (age 31) 37 10 Italy Parma
11 FW Alessio Cerci 23 July 1987 (age 26) 12 0 Italy Torino
17 FW Ciro Immobile 20 February 1990 (age 24) 2 0 Germany Borussia Dortmund
22 FW Lorenzo Insigne 4 June 1991 (age 23) 5 1 Italy Napoli

and with the midfield players consisting of a 35 year old Pirlo you wonder where the goals are coming from for them

                                      games  goals

5 MF Thiago Motta 28 August 1982 (age 31) 20 1 France Paris Saint-Germain
6 MF Antonio Candreva 28 February 1987 (age 27) 20 0 Italy Lazio
8 MF Claudio Marchisio 19 January 1986 (age 28) 44 3 Italy Juventus
14 MF Alberto Aquilani 7 July 1984 (age 29) 35 5 Italy Fiorentina
16 MF Daniele De Rossi 24 July 1983 (age 30) 95 15 Italy Roma
18 MF Marco Parolo 25 January 1985 (age 29) 4 0 Italy Parma
21 MF Andrea Pirlo (Vice-Captain) 19 May 1979 (age 35) 109 13 Italy Juventus
23 MF Marco Verratti 5 November 1992 (age 21) 6 1 France Paris Saint-Germain

England do have defensive problems especially with Johnson but if they can field a combination of Oxlade-Chamberlain, Sterling, Lallana, Wilshire and Barkley with Gerrard or Lampard in that midfield with Sturridge and maybe Lambert up front their pace can be effective against a very ordinary looking Italian side, after losing three top players you cannot expect to much but if they do gel on the day everyone will be shouting again for while at least and pride will be restored

at least 26 of the other teams are in the same boat
Only Brazil, Spain and Germany seem to me to know what theyre doing
Maybe Belgium too
But I'd be surprised if they won it

Maybe the FA should be concentrating their resources on working out how they can get the national team in tip top condition for these events
instead of thinking up EPL B teams

would be an achievement to best Costa Rica , imho

I see hodgson has gone down the alf Ramsey route of name checking 'Latin American antics'
That's good for public relations
The epl is the most physical league in world football yet our precious heroes are getting uptight about the latins, the tackling and their refs
Really?
Sterling gets a red for scything down Toni Valencia and is lucky not to get a three match ban imo
This of course is put down to bad luck
Stevie g who has been sent off for more two footed tackles in merseyside derbies than I care to remember labels the Hondurans tackling as a disgrace
Couldn't make it up
The Honduran who did get sent off for an elbow was given both barrels by the itv boys
But when Cahill does the same a couple of minutes later the criticism is negligible

Like it or not
The English have a rep for being hard men
Other teams think they have to fight fire with fire
English players are happy to dish it out in the epl, they should expect it in a World Cup in South America
And take it with good grace

Not the greatest start to the campaign

Nice comment Judorick "tool" haven't heard that one in a while spot on though.
Honduras did not play it in the spirit of being a warm up and played like they were out to prove appoint that they could compete with the bigger nations but totally over cooked it with their ridiculously over physical approach in a game where England were no more than experimenting with various combinations and trying to avoid injury.
The Italians strong point would  be their midfield with the 35 year old Pirlo with 109 caps and 13 goals and 30 year old De Rossi with 95 caps and 15 goals, to beat Italy England will need to gain control of the midfield and the best way to do that would be with a combination of England's pacey and emerging young stars Stirling, Lallana, Wilshire and Oxlade-Chamberlain(if fit) led by Gerrard. Instead of pumping balls up to Sturridge all the time I would have Welbeck's pace up there with him he looks like he might be returning to form.
The Italians are there for the taking if Roy gets brave and injects loads of pace into the team, they won't like that at all with players running at them from all angles young players with bags of pace that can also help with defending when needed.
Rooney doesn't look fit enough yet and would better serve as a sub right now as would Barkley but 2 very useful subs at that, lets hope he gets it right and doesn't play as safe as many think he will that could be fatal with England's rocky defence and they do say the best form of defence is attack.

I think the last two games highlighted the two big problems that England have, against ecuador they were far more exciting and had players on the park namely barkley that could attack and beat players, in the process opening up sides, the down side was that we were far more exposed at the back.

In the honduras game we looked more like what we've become used to in recent times, a stagnant, slow team that offer very little in penetration but are perhaps harder to break down.

Hodgson will fall into the usual category of being afraid to put a side to win the game out there so it will be the dour side we saw against honduras that will face italy in a bid to scrap out a 0-0 .

Only a complete fool would take the Honduras result at face value when assessing Englands chances for the WC. Just as you wouldn't take beating Spain when we last played them, nor would you take Enland drawing away with Brazil or Italy drawing to the mighty Luxembourg as a strong indicator of their chances.

Quite right Sergei
My point was that England's carping about the Hondurans lacked class and was used to excuse the fact they didn't win.
Something which shouldn't have really bothered them
Like u say serg
But clearly did annoy

Main concern for woys boys is that they seem to be experimenting, still, at this late stage
Hodgson really ought to have worked out his World Cup xi during the last two years
Ramsey famously plotted his wingless wonders in a friendly win in Spain the year before 66

Woy has left himself a hostage to fortune here
All this clamouring for the Liverpool way from the press is all well and good
It's one thing banging in the goals at Norwich and Cardiff
But the thought of international virgins like Stirling and sturridge up against the likes of Buffon, barzagli, bonucci and chiellini
Well
I just can not see that working out too well
The phrase candy from babies leaps to mind.
Could be a long night in th jungle

You are a tool tarps a complete and utter misread of a bo**cks of tie interrupted by a thunderstorm against a bunch of retards prepared to injure themselves and the England players for the sake of a bit of pride
There's not a lot of goals in this Italian squad and England have enough pace (for a change) to worry them and as for Suarez being confident of making it that's another situation that might not work out to well, if that knee swells up again he's out of the world and even if it doesn't either England or especially the Italians will be targeting him so the legs going to take some stick either way , forget it Suarez your world cups over pal but you just don't realise it yet

Trying to judge England or any other team for that matter from a friendly is pointless. Italy must be terrible eh 1-1 with Luxembourg, and conceded 3 against a club team. Better not turn up eh...

Roys problem is that 72% of  premiership players are foreign until somethings done about it nothing will change.

Its both

How can any manager find top quality when he has an average of three or four players a team in top league , great for us as viewers but no strength in depth

Grass roots is changing but two decades behind

In Uk you had primary kids playing 11 a side runnin around like headless chickens after a ball they will not get near and coached by well meaning but clueless coaches , and I use that term very lightly

For example the dutch kids play 4 or 5 a side till mid teens growing with plenty time on the ball and space to develop , also coaches are all about future development rather than win win win

its effected Scotland in the same way

Forget all this only 28% of premiership players are English I think that's been exhausted and is not very interesting, the general topic of conversation here is England's apparent poor displays in the warm ups which at first had me in extreme despair of a poor world cup showing but in hindsight we have read this all wrong and this is the last hurrah for the older players like Gerrard and lampard and the beginning of a new era with Stirling (19) Luke Shaw (18) Oxford-Chamberlain(20)Barkley(20) Wilshire(22)Sturridge (24)Welbeck(23)Henderson(23)and Jones(22, I don't remember a group of England players with so much pace and any team with one pacey player is dangerous but England  have at least 4 very quick players, so please stop talking about these rubbish mean nothing warm up results where Woy was using every conceivable combination to find out who was going to be 100 % ready for the Italians on Saturday.