World Cup Top Goal scorer

Not the worst pick. But as far as I know he won't have the pens.

Also has the look of a low scoring group.

And I tend to agree with the Belgium are over hyped school of thought. Don't fancy them to get to the semis.

TGS usually need to get to at least the semis to get the extra game.

Gl though.

Just managed to get 12/1 Messi, had to do it in small bets, but managed to get £340 on in total.

Could anybody out there please explain to me what's the difference between the 'Top Goalscorer' and 'Golden Boot' betting options? I am baffled . . .

Golden boot rules are if equal number of goals scored the tie breaks will be:number of assists (decided by FIFA technical study group)

if stll tied then:total minutes played and the player with the fewer minutes will be 1st and be declared the golden boot winner

golden boot is for top goal scorer

golden ball is for the player of the tournament

Bardo "Golden ball ?????" Chewy11 100% correct.

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Just managed to get 12/1 Messi, had to do it in small bets, but managed to get £340 on in total.

Where's the 12/1?

Special enhanced price supplied to independent bookies who have the same ante post supplier, £100 max, still suffered a knock back in one shop despite them displaying it on their screen, told by the jobsworth manager it was 11/2 despite what the screen says.

Ta CM.

Are those punting on here playing the Golden Boot or Top Goal scorer market? I'm going Golden Boot, sick of these dead heats at major tournies. 6 way tie at Euros did my head in.

Far less likely to be a dead heat in the world cup as the extra game helps.Anyway i'm playing both to try and maximise profits.

Messi drifting.

Any negative news or just going out to the price he should be?

Jun 1, 2014 -- 9:15PM, LB1982 wrote:

Far less likely to be a dead heat in the world cup as the extra game helps.Anyway i'm playing both to try and maximise profits.

It was a 4 way tie in 2010. Dead heat top scorers are the in thing these days. Everybody's doing it, all the cool kids anyway.

Hans, no bad news on Messi. The reason for the drift was that Bald Fred was offering 10/1 (11.0) win only odds between 12pm and 2pm today, which will apparently be repeated between 5pm and 7pm today. So people were backing him over there and laying him on Betfair.

Cheers wowyl.

That explains it. He'll probably find a way to not pay if it cops.

Forgot to ask.

Is the 10/1 in shops as well as online?

yes in shops or at least it was between 12 - 2

NEYMAR

sergio aguaro , better odds than messi , anybody give him a chance ? i would of thought its got to come from argentina , they got iran in there group . cricket scores come to mins .

you're assuming he stays fit for 6 or 7 consecutive games something he's probably not done for a while

yes true .

fred if he starts

Messi failed to score a single goal at WC 2010 and i think he only got 1 at WC 2006  in Germany.. thats quite telling

he really needs to have a major impact in this tournament.

Higuain a better shout IMO. 25/1 top scorer, and 7/2 top Argy scorer.

costa

scored a goal less than messi over the season who had spain backing him. now they'll be backing costa.

30 is more than fair

will costa be fit though ?

Giroud

Griezmann will start on the left of a front 3 for France, does well in that role coming off the wing, is more of an inside forward than a winger. I've had a lump on at 12/1 with Hills and Lads for top French scorer and a little bit on here for a top 4 in the top goalscorer charts at 42. He's a player I rate highly, he's been excellent in La Liga and if it wasn't for his supposed disciplinary problems when he was younger and being behind Frank Rubberyface in the national setup I'm sure he'd have a load more caps and goals.

My bets so far

Costa 33/1: Backed him a while ago and think he will do well if fit enough.

Sanchez 80/1 and Vargas 100/1: Really fancy Chile to do well and think both will be in amongst the goals as both are in red hot form. Think all of Chile's games will be fairly open with opportunities to score. Their 1st game against Australia is the first really one sided game going by the odds and I can see Chile getting a few against a below average Australian defence so potential to lay off early doors. Australia will be aware of the defensive frailties of Chile so think they will also take their chances to get forward rather than parking the bus which they may do against Spain.

I've also backed them to be top group stage goalscorers at exactly the same price which I think is massive value given the main negative is they may not qualify even if they do score a few goals.

Also can't help thinking Klose is to big a price at 50's even with concerns about how much game time he will get. If he plays he will score. Think he will start on the bench first game so might wait until after that game to back him on the premise that if Germany are qualified going in to last group game with players being rested he could play most of the match against a weak USA team.

Quick question. Im on M Reus top Bundasliga goalscorer if he doesnt end up going after just limping off there, will cash be refunded or have i done my dough?

I'm guessing they could say it was an antepost bet if the squads haven't been announced, but I reckon as Reus was tipped up by someone in the RP they are likely to refund steaks just as a bit of good PR

Marco Reus badly injured his ankle tonight in Germanys 6-1 win V Armenia.

most likely he is out of the world cup

I would say no chance Moonjago. You wouldn't be expecting a rule 4 on the bet when Ribery was announced as not going so I doubt they will be refunding non runners unless it specifically said so.

messi  and they got iran in there group  , cricket scores spring to mind

Jun 6, 2014 -- 11:27PM, bigdeal2 wrote:

messi

Urgh I just wrote out a long reply which seems to have not been posted correctly. Can;t be @rsed to type it all out again, so in summary:

a) Remember people thought same about Brazil v North Korea? finished 2-1

b) Argentina v Iran kicks off at 13:00 - heat will be a factor.

c) if they beat Bosnia in the opener, no incentive for them to drum up a massive score v Iran

d) If they get 6 points from first two games, Messi likely to be rested against Nigeria

e) Argentina have 3 world class strikers, and some top attacking midfielders, so likely to share their goals around the team

f) Messi @ 8/1 worst value bet of the tournament imo

Anyone know of anywhere offering a messi total goals market?

PP gave the cash back on Reus

can't find a market for Golden Boot...

Neymar at 12/1 for me. Takes the pens. 30 goals in 47 for Brasil.

The winner will be German

Schurrle

i like costa ,wheres the 33s for top group scorer that sounds even better

could be almost anybody. villa, muller, schurrle and klose are decent high priced contenders. well, muller is only about 30.0 but germany dont have an obvious striker. klose is a good price, but he is older than hell so may not play much. muller was joint top scorer last world cup, and apparently won the golden boot due to most assists of the joint top scorers. villa also older than hell, but nobody else can score for spain right now so they may have to turn to him to get the goals.

argentina could wrack up a load of goals in their group so anybody who can score is a lively contender. neymar has to be a contender if brazil do well.

Main bet is higain

massive price at 20s 22s considering his games to goals ratio including 4 at last world cup which left him only one of the top and argentina only reached quarters

Has world cup scoring form , vastly experienced and plays in a side who will create a lot of chances

Seems to have been around forever but he is only 26 , him for me with savers on neymar and muller

put a nice wedge on Benzema at 33/1

another player I would definitely have on my book is Brazils Fred

Been watching lots of highlights from Brazil games in the last few years... and Fred scores in most games

Like Thomas Muller and Klose for Germany Fred just always seems to be in the right place at the right time.

i cant back players who havent scored goals at international level.

diego costa has 0 international goals

lukaku has only scored 6 in 29 games (apparently his 3 against luxembourg dont count lol) even if you add them on its only 9 in 30 games

messi has 38 in 86, not a bad record but doesnt equate to him being favourite. aguero has 21 in 50 which is similar to messi. higuain has 20 in 36. if he plays he should be favourite of the 3 clearly.

neymar has 31 in 49 which is why he would be my favourite, not messi. fred has 17
in 31 which is ok but its nowhere near neymars record.

Just looking at the bare number doesn't tell the whole story. Neymar's international record is incredible but he is very short, especially as loads of his goals came against total crap teams.

Lukaku's record isn't as good as you might expect but that's because he's been behind Benteke in the pecking order. He is the number 1 striker now Benteke is out.

He's scored 4 goals in his last 2 starts for Belgium and if you go back to qualifying he only actually started one match because they normally went with Benteke and often brought Lukaku on late in the game. In his one start he scored 2 away in Croatia.

Plus about 80% of Neymars goals have been in friendlies or the Olympics. Only scored about a half dozen in competitive all age games. Brazil haven't been playing in qualifiers obviously but it's a totally different ball game scoring in friendlies compared to competitive qualifiers or tournaments.

Seems to have been a move for Aguero today.
Was looking at him but bit surprised he didn't start any of their pre WC friendlies.Is he a certain starter?

fair enough but youre still counting goals he hasnt scored cos he hasnt been starting games, if were doing that then we may as well just ignore all stats. and being very selective in only highlighting games where he did score. you can do that with a hundred players in the tournament, everybody scores sometimes. a quick search tells me he played the full 90 minutes against wales at home in the world cup qualifier and didnt score.

not sure i buy that friendlies dont count, half the world cup qualifiers are against muppet teams anyway. neymar scored 4 goals in the confed cup, all against decent teams. 4 goals in 5 matches against decent opponents. lukaku has only officially scored 6 international goals in 28 games. and only one of those games wasnt a friendly. btw, how come his 4 (or 7 if you count luxembourg) goals in friendlies are more impressive than neymars 25?

I haven't said friendlies don't count. Just pointed out that a lot of neymar's goals have come against crap teams so his amazing record might not be quite as impressive as it looks.

And whilst 6 in 29 doesn't look amazing for Lukaku a lot of those caps came as late subs. 9 in 16 starts is pretty good.

current form is what ultimately counts.

strikers go through lean spells, and can then have a great season like Diego Costa this year

Remember Diego forlan couldnt buy a goal for Man.Utd at one stage, a few seasons later after he left Utd, he was the top scorer in La Liga with 32 Goals for Athletico Madrid in 2008-9 and was joint top scorer in WC2010 with 5 goals

eden hazard at 99/1 is huge considering belgiums group,also kevin miralles.

higuain is argentinas main forward,so 22/1 looks big as well.