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West Coast Eagles
16 Apr 14 12:05
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Im going to say Germany but if there is a team that could surprise it might be England/ or France in 2014

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By:
G1_Jockey_4
When: 16 Apr 14 12:53
gotta laugh when people seriously think england have a chance.

the last few group games werer against soem of the poorest midfields ive seen from countries ranked in the 3rd band of international sides.
that polish midfield was absolutley shocking
montengros wasnt much better as they had no out ball once their main man got injured...so much so they even got seriously humped by moldova Laugh

chile tore us a new one without a full side...and at wembley!!!!!!

expect italy to win our group as they do look more organised now comapred to the euros.
uraguay with suarez will cause us serious problems.
even campbell for costa rica wll relish playing against leighton baines

wooden spoon beckons imo
By:
kincsem
When: 16 Apr 14 13:44
Air miles it is Russia.  That is a long flight.
Germany will get to the semi-finals as always, playing poorly.
By:
jed.davison
When: 16 Apr 14 15:42
Interesting point kincsem, I read a very illuminating piece yesterday about distances to be travelled to and in Brazil by the various nations, I'll see if I can dig it out for you.
By:
jed.davison
When: 16 Apr 14 15:43
Logistical factors are notoriously difficult to quantify when it comes to modelling in football. Distance alone is tough to find conclusions from as the various methods of transport alone can make away matches harder than others. The likelihood is that in most cases other than the extreme ones, a calculated home advantage takes most scenarios into consideration.

That is not quite the case for final tournament however. There is one home team, a handful of neighbours, and then a posse of teams from further afield. I wrote a blog almost two years ago about the travel and distance factor in Euro 2012 and with the 2014 World Cup in Brazil on the horizon I wanted to scribble once again on the challenges being faced in Brazil and how that could impact performance and betting on the tournament.

Compared to previous European Championships, there were numerous logistical challenges to the 2012 tournament which I paid close attention to while I was working at the tournament in Gdansk. Even those that had been co-hosted in the past such as Belgium/Netherlands hosting Euro 2000, and Switzerland/Austria in 2008 did not present such issues. In Poland and Ukraine, distances were greater on a match-by-match basis compared to so many other major tournaments so tight schedules combined with flights or lengthy coach trips were a factor in team performance. Much has been discussed already in the build up to Brazil and not without good reason.

Why is it a factor?

There are more host cities and venues (12) in Brazil than any other previous final tournament. Completely understandable from a commercial perspective, far from optimal from an organisational and high performance sense. That means not a single team will play in the same stadium more than once in the group stage which is rare. Four teams (Czech Rep, Holland, Spain & Sweden) at the last Euro played all three group matches in the same stadium. For that reason, selection of the Team Base Camp is a fundamental decision for any national team when planning for a major tournament.

You may be reading this asking many of the following questions. These guys are professional athletes, why should it affect them? The teams will undoubtedly be travelling in luxury, so surely it will not affect them the same as the rest of us in Economy class? Given the nature of world football, surely the players are fully accustomed to travelling? All valid points in some respects, but it is a factor that can affect performance and subsequently betting.

I attended the MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference a couple of months back and listened to a fascinating panel discussing sleep and the role travel and logistics played in performance for NBA teams and players. It is worth watching, without being tied down too much by the science. The general principle makes sense and as obvious as it sounds, many teams do not correctly plan for time zone changes, travel plans and sleep/recovery. If this is the case in the NBA, you can be sure there will be a majority of teams not taking the same scientific approach in Brazil. Everton manager Roberto Martinez is one manager who has adopted this scientific approach and revealed that he fines players if he can prove they have not had eight hours’ sleep at night and the club are planning to have overnight accommodation built at their training headquarters such is the importance based upon this. Can players perform after long journeys and lack of sleep? Of course they can. The question however is can they perform to their best when on the highest level.

2014 World Cup Travel Itineraries

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Taking a look at the group stages only demonstrates a huge difference between the distances teams will have to travel. Much has been spoken about England’s lengthy trip to Manaus for their first game, but looking at the travel between the three matches, they rank mid-table. Belgium have 1043km to travel only. England’s group rivals Italy and USA top the list having to travel over 9,000km each.

2014 World Cup Projected Distances

Taking it a step further, if we look at the top twelve favourites in Tournament betting markets, we can project the distances each team will have to travel over the course of the tournament depending on how they qualify from their group as winners or runners-up and which side of the draw they go into.

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The standout teams here are Belgium and Argentina. Whether they come first or second in their group, their projected distances via either route in the draw are extremely favourable. On the flipside, Italy will have to travel some 12,000km over the month to win the competition – three times more than either Belgium or Argentina.

To put this in some context, London to Kiev is approximately 2500km – one of the longer journeys that English teams in the Champions League may make once a season. Some of the teams in the World Cup will have to make those kinds of journeys every 3-4 days in Brazil. Familiarity to such travel could be a factor. From England’s perspective, given the size of the country, most teams in the Premier League travel by coach each game with the occasional flights between North and South. The non-European players frequently make those long trips with their national teams back to South America, Africa, Asia and Oceania meaning they are far more likely to be accustomed to the travel and so on.

Decision Time

So from a betting perspective, how should you apply this to your decision making in the World Cup? Teams that play a high tempo, rely on a high pressurise closing down style, or struggle to keep possession, may well find it increasingly difficult if they have made long arduous journeys. One such team that stands out is USA. A tough group does not help, but given the distance they will have to travel, their tactical style that relies on hard work and pressure against such teams as Germany and a certain Cristiano Ronaldo’s Portugal, will make it difficult to them. Of all the favourites, Argentina have an extremely favourable schedule and this should not be underestimated neither.

In betting markets such as tournament winner for example, I’m looking at the paths teams may follow, measuring the teams they will face, and giving some consideration to factors such as distance. If I have two evenly rated teams in the quarter-finals, team news is neutral, obviously it is unlikely there will be questions regarding motivation but one team has travelled three times further than the other, I may well make an adjustment based on that.
By:
kincsem
When: 17 Apr 14 00:40
Very interesting post.
By:
duffy
When: 17 Apr 14 15:32
yes, a very interesting angle that many of us wouldn't have given much thought to.
By:
jed.davison
When: 17 Apr 14 16:10
The striking part of it for me was the realisation of just how bloody big Brazil is.
By:
bardo
When: 17 Apr 14 17:52
that is excellent analysis Jed.Davison and thats exactly the kind of stuff we need more on here to give us all an edge.

Im looking forward to reading more of your posts.
By:
jed.davison
When: 17 Apr 14 18:15
Just to be clear bardo, I didn't write that, I just copied it to here.

My posts are normally tiresome nonsense.
By:
CLYDEBANK29
When: 17 Apr 14 21:23
chile tore us a new one without a full side...and at wembley!!!!!!

Chile are a very good side.  Chile's main three, Diaz Vargas and Sanchez were all playing and England had Lallana and Rodriguez making their debuts.  England had 13 shots to chiles 8 and 11 corners to Chile's 1.  The scoreline was very flattering although all that ever matters with the press and pundits is the final score.  imo it actually wasn't a bad performance.

Against Germany in Stuttgart, Chile had 17 shots on goal to Germany's 7 but failed to score and lost 1-0.

.......

gotta laugh when people seriously think england have a chance.


I'm not aware anybody saying they think England have a decent chance.  Anyone at all.  The press, have unanimously decreed England have no chance.  If you want to be one of the lads you are obliged to agree.
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 17 Apr 14 23:44
Great post Jed. Thanks for bringing that article to our attention.
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 17 Apr 14 23:46
Just out of interest, did the article itself have the full list of how far the different teams were estimated to travel? Argentina seems a good shout, but it would be interesting to see who else was down there.
By:
jed.davison
When: 18 Apr 14 09:22
Apart from a bit of blurb about the author at the bottom, there was nothing else.
By:
HonkyJoe
When: 18 Apr 14 15:58
Aw. That's a shame. Would have been useful to see the full rankings.  I suppose it is a bit hard to put down. Once you get beyond the group stage, there're a lot of different permutations...
By:
high_lander
When: 22 Apr 14 20:59
Definitely not England that's for sure.

England wont make it past the group stages.
By:
joe159
When: 22 Apr 14 21:55
Spain and Italy are Europe's only chance, Germans Dutch English chances will be gone with the weather, The Latin teams will do well.

So as good as the Germans are a lot of their games will be low scoring.
By:
Fallen Angel
When: 24 Apr 14 16:51
Just to be clear bardo, I didn't write that, I just copied it to here.

My posts are normally tiresome nonsense Grin some well needed humility on the forum. Although the topic itself is very interesting. I liked Argentina before I like them more now.
By:
toberaheena
When: 25 Apr 14 19:45
Spain are the classical South American style players. Germany have the tradition of organisation and great defense. Only real chances to beat the South American teams. I have a fellow Facebooker who lives beside the Stadium in Rio and he says that many people are protesting at lack of services for the native Brasilian people while pouring money into stadia for the football. But they are fanatical about their National team and will be under intolerable pressure to perform. For me, it is a four team competition between Brazil, Argentina, Spain and Germany. And the Germans may suffer under the high temperatures which could that to a 3 team condition.
By:
GioAlho
When: 10 May 14 16:17
Germany, Portugal and Italy
By:
kincsem
When: 12 May 14 15:40
http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/distanceresult.html?p1=248&p2=213
By:
metaphor
When: 13 May 14 12:24
spain will probably win it
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