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World Cup Specials
World Cup Final 2010 Referee - World Cup Specials Specials Bets
Webb H 6/5 De Bleeckere F 3/1
Stark W 9/1 Busacca M 12/1
Baldassi H 20/1 Damon J 22/1
Ruiz O 40/1 Mallenco A 40/1
Hansonn M 50/1 Coulibaly K 66/1
Larrionda J 100/1 Rosetti R 100/1
Simon C 100/1 -
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that's right, no Irmatov and no Archundia
World Cup Specials
World Cup Final 2010 Referee - World Cup Specials Specials Bets
Webb H 6/5 De Bleeckere F 3/1
Stark W 9/1 Busacca M 12/1
Baldassi H 20/1 Damon J 22/1
Ruiz O 40/1 Mallenco A 40/1
Hansonn M 50/1 Coulibaly K 66/1
Larrionda J 100/1 Rosetti R 100/1
Simon C 100/1 -
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that's right, no Irmatov and no Archundia
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Busacca is at home already as well as Larrionda and Rosetti
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Actually starting to think that Webb could be a worthy fave. Had a good tourney and been supported by linesmen with no foul ups either.
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Referees retained:
Rashan Irmatov (UZB), Yuichi Nishimura (JPN), Khalil Al Ghamdi (KSA), Jerome Damon (RSA), Eddy Maillet (SEY), Carlos Alberto Batres (GUA), Marco Rodriguez (MEX), Benito Archundia (MEX), Carlos Simon (BRA), Hector Baldassi (ARG), Oscar Ruiz (COL), Pablo Pozzo (CHI), Michael Hester (NZL), Viktor Kassai (HUN), Olegario Benquerenca (POR), Howard Webb (ENG), Wolfgang Stark (GER), Alberto Undiano (ESP), Franck De Bleeckere (BEL) -------------- already hung my hat on Irmatov and Archundia. don't think it will be a UEFA ref this time as they have had two of the last four, CONCACAF overdue (last one Codesal in 1990) and Asia never had one. Webb unlikely to get CL Final and WC Final in same season |
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Sugarfoot, am I right in thinking that if your nation makes the last 4 then you are automatically on your way home?
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that is my understanding. I haven't seen anything in documentation this time (referee stuff is pretty scant on the FIFA site), but it was certainly stated at WC2006 and I can't find exceptions to it in the history I can see on rsssf.com
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Thanks a lot. I agree with your two picks. I think the language factor could tip it towards Archundia...
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QFinals
NED BRA Nishimura URU GHA Benquerenca ARG GER Irmatov PAR ESP Batres Elizondo got three group games and a QF so that fits with Irmatov. Archundia got three group, one QF and a semi last time, so I'm a little surprised he hasn't added to his two group games. Perhaps Nishimura is in the frame now. UEFA ones have mostly had two group games and an early knockout game so I think they are all done now. Be surprised if any of them got another game after the quarters. |
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Sugarfoot this year looks a carbon copy of 2002 rather than 2006. In 2006 3 of the last 16 refs also did a quarter final. This year none which is the same as in 2002 when Collina did one game in the last 16 and then refereed the final.
With the farcical nature of England's disallowed goal immediately followed by the mess up in the Mexico game I dont think Fifa will play politics with the final referee. Above all they will want a competent referee. If we look at the refs from the last 16 Rosetti and Larrionda have gone home, while Baldassi, Stark and Undiano represent Argentina Spain and Germany so you can rule out 2 of them at least and you can rule out Baldassi anyway since an Argentinian reffed the last one. You are left with Webb, De Bleekere and Kassai. Kassai is probably too young but is well thought of and an intersting outsider, so its easy to see why Webb is the favourite having performed very well here, and being very well regarded having reffed the CL final well with the same linesmen. I do think he is a little short in the betting like but I have him as favourite. |
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I think also the fact that only one European ref in the qfs points to more in the pipeline for the upcoming games again similar to 2002 when there was only one European at the same stage then they did each semi and the final
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My feeling is that following along the lines of 2002, Archundia and Damon (there hasnt been an African ref a knock out game yet) might get the semis and a European ref will do the final (unless it is an all European final).
That would leave it between Webb, De Bleeckere, Kassai and Benquerenca. |
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Webb's price is silly, tbh. Its funny that as soon as it went short, there were bookmakers offering referee prices who hadn't put a market up since before the tournament started, and PPower were offering a bigger price than here. As soon as England were knocked out he became the focus of British media attention and I am sure that has been a heavy influence on his price rather than anything else. Having the CL Final for UEFA doesn't mean he is viewed by FIFA in the same light; Rosetti reffed the EC Final in 2008, Busacca reffed CL Final 2009. I personally can't see why he is ahead of the others in the pecking order, he is a contender like the others, he has done well enough but so have several others (although I don't personally think a UEFA man will get it)
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I tend to think they are giving everybody 1 game until the final and then picking one from there. I don't thik they will give the same ref the semi and the final and I dont think they will give a referee the final without having reffed a ko game so I dont fancy Archundia or anyone else that hasnt reffed a ko game. I'll hold my hands up and say I've laid Webb but I think he's got a very good chance and I do think it'll be a Uefa ref
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Surely no Semi Final ref can also do the final
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I expekt that De Bleeckere will get final.
Why? He did good job till now, and this is his last tournament. For Webb there is still time, and he in this year already had final. I can't see anyone else and probably 2 top favorites for final are Webb and De Bleeckere, and I hope De Bleeckere will got it. Btw. why is Busacca sent home. As I know he didn't do any big mistakes thiss wc... |
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De Bleeckere booked the wrong Algerian player in the USA game. Its clear from video evidence that Halliche was the one showing dissent, but while De Bleeckere was fishing around for his yellow card Halliche's captain Yahia moved him away and ended up being booked (and red carded) instead
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Btw. why is Busacca sent home. As I know he didn't do any big mistakes thiss wc...
------------------ are you joking? he had one game and managed to give a penalty for a dive and send off the goalkeeper for denying a goalscoring opportunity when the attacker could not have reached the ball. against the host nation as well http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/highlights/video/video=1247691/index.html around 1' 34" on there |
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to be fair though, Busacca didn't wee on the pitch or make any rude gestures at the crowd this time, so I suppose its an improvement
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Bussacca sent home because of the double error in his game involving the hosts. Offside in the build up to challenge where he issued a red card to the GK for "denying a clear goal scoring opportunity" when a caution would have sufficed. Given his incidents of the past year, sticking the finger up at the crowd in a domestic game and the pi$$ing on the park in a challenge match in Qatar, any would error would have seen him sent home.
Bussacca should never have been favourite given the year he's had. |
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I've been doing a bit of fishing trying to find a pattern or any pointers and been unsuccesful
Webb and Archundia are the only 2 refs in contention to have officiated at the 2009 Confeds Cup. Relevance as an historical pointer none Irmatov and Archundia officiated the last 2 Fifa World Club finals Relevance as an historical pointer none Kassai officiated the 2008 Olympic final Relevance as an historical pointer none The appointment seems quite random although I do think Webb holds the best hand. Kassai and Irmatov are both quite young, Archundia hasnt done a ko game, Batres has been heavily critisized, Damon hasnt reffed a ko game, Stark and Undiano represent Germany and Spain who are still in the comp. |
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I backed Archundia before the off but a clear missed red card in his first game and now not being seen since his Brazil game would point to a semi now at best.
I wish betfair would open up a market on which region will the final referee come form, as i am positive it won't be a European. Asia have never had a referee do the final hence my cover bets on Irmatov n(probably too young) and Nishimura (probably too inexperienced) as i cant see any other viable options. |
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Europe not particularly well represented on the FIFA Referees Committee, although the chairman obviously has a major say which is why Mallenco is still there...
Chairman Ángel María VILLAR LLONA Spain Spain Deputy Chairman Ricardo Terra TEIXEIRA Brazil Brazil Member Carlos ALARCÓN Paraguay Paraguay (CONMEBOL) Yousuf AL-SERKAL United Arab Emirates United Arab Emirates (AFC) Lisle AUSTIN Barbados Barbados (CONCACAF) Amadou DIAKITE Mali Mali (CAF) Peter MIKKELSEN Denmark Denmark (UEFA) Gilles TAVERGEUX New Caledonia New Caledonia (OFC) Ahmed Mohammed JASSIM Bahrain Bahrain Belaïd LACARNE Algeria Algeria Jorge ROMO Argentina Argentina Badara SENE Senegal Senegal Toru KAMIKAWA Japan Japan Michal LISTKIEWICZ Poland Poland Borislav MIHAILOV Bulgaria Bulgaria Ted HOWARD USA USA Harry ATISSON Vanuatu Vanuatu My money is still on Archundia or De Bleeckere although if the Argies get to the final that might rule out the former. Stark is also a dark horse IMVHO, and if Brazil get KO'd today does Carlos Simon then come into contention as he fits all the criteria and has not made any balls ups to date... |
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it won't be a CONMEBOL ref, they had it last time and Brazil are hosts next time.
I've backed three for a bit of fun; Archundia (losing confidence in him), Nishimura and Irmatov. Haven't laid anyone; wasted a lot of time at EC 2008 and WC 2006 doing that and ended up throwing away some winnings on Rosetti and Elizondo by p1ssing about. DOn't think it'll be UEFA and tbh their prices have been rotten value throughout so I don't care if I'm wrong |
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less likely to be a European now that Netherlands beat Brazil
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No chance of Frank De Bleeckere getting it now that the Dutch are semi-finalists so that is another favourite out of the running. Does Simon now stand a chance seeing that he fits the "profile" of previous WC final referees?
Nishimura was awful that game and I think he is now out of contention as he let both sides get away with murder. While Webb and Irmatov have both performed well, they both have one and three, respectively, World Cups left in them. Absolutely no chance of a 32-year-old being given the showcase event, even less so given the massive refereeing errors to date. Archundia now the outstanding favourite for me, and if Germany get Ko'd tomorrow I think Stark could be worth a few bob. |
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I see skybet are still cheating by offering prices on Rosetti, Larrionda and Busacca. they really are utter cvnts. finally listed Irmatov at 5/2. they offer no prices at all on any of: Nishimura, Kassai, Batres, Archundia, Benquereca, Undiano. filthy company
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the south african ref might be a good shout
not going to favour a european of south american team it would be a very PC choice for fifa |
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the home nation, in fact the home confederation, never gets it
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sugarfoot Joined: 22 Jun 01
Replies: 2236 03 Jul 10 15:01 the home nation, in fact the home confederation, never gets it did nt know that |
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can't ever remember getting this market right but for me the logical choice has to be the Mexican - Archundia
Webb and Irmatov are in their first world cups and imo it would rule them out of future final possibility - their experience in 4/8 years could come in handy - Webb also had Champions League Final which apparently is a negative, Irmatov is just 32 and only once has the same ref done the opener and final (yes last time) De Bleekere could be a decent shout but with holland probably in the final not sure it would be a good idea having someone from Belgium reffing. Stark/Mallenco won't get it for obvious reasons, Damon is the host ref which according to above rules him out as does him not being competent enough imo, of the rest only Simon stands out for me but FIFA imo would be asking for controversy if he got it. I think also having a European ref for a European final would make it more a UEFA gig - which FIFA might not be able to stomach. The Japanese ref is just not good enough for me and will surely have lost marks for mistakenly bringing out the red before correcting himself in his quarterfinal. So the standout bet imo has to be Archundia, well respected by Fifa as can be seen by number of matches in 2006 - where he got the semi-final. Also given from Mexico no perceived axes to grind given Argentina knocked his nation out - not that should have anything to do with it. One concern is the 7 yellows he dished out in first half of Brazil/Portugal. It makes sense to me but then as i said at the top can't remember ever getting this market right. |
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Very interesting thread IMO.
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I believe Webb will get Spain v Germanay
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A Swiss referee got the final in 66. Long time ago like
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Sportspreader,
Archundia was outstanding in that Brazil v Portugal game that you refer to. Neither team wanted to play football and he did the best he could to nip it in the bud before it got completely out of control. By contrast, the **** fella let Brazil and Holland kick each other off the park before flashing a deserved red. IMO, Archundia would have been given maximum marks for his performance in that Portugal v Brazil match and his approach worked well because the second half passed off without incident. However, neither a CONMEBOL or UEFA ref can be appointed to the first semi-final and I have a feeling he may get that, given very other top refs can not be named. My hope is that Damon gets the first semi, Kassai or Webb the second semi, and then Archundia or Simon the final next Sunday. Guess we will find out tomorrow |
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I've been very impressed by the Japanese ref myself. We can pick holes in every refereeing performance. Webb has done well but I think he should have sent Pepe off in the Italy Slovak game.
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CCA, fair enough - didn't actually watch the game (had just assumed, dangerous to do in a bookings thread with yourself lurking) - was just getting a bit peeved there so many cards being shown in a match i had marked down as a low make-up - would be very tough on Archundia to get 2 world cup semi-finals in a row - not just cause money down but i think he is the most deserving.
clydebank - sure no referee will ever be perfect but to pull out a red card instead of a yellow for me has to be considered big enough to warrant not being considered for the final |
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edit above - referee thread not bookings (in my defence - referee chat with cca involved is 99% of time normally to do with cards)
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interesting site here :
http://www.worldreferee.com/site/home.php |
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Kassi confirmed as the ref for the Spain v Germany match with De Bleeckere as Fourth Official.
On his website, De Bleeckere says Irmatov has been given the other semi final, and Webb will be Fourth Official on that one. My money is now on Archundia or Simon for the final. Webb may well get the 3/4 place play off. |
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Actually, having used a better translation website, it seems Webb may not be the Fourth Official in the other match but simply one of the last three UEFA referees still at the tournie, along with Kassai and De Bleeckere.
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