World Cup
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27 Jun 10
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People shouldn't need reminding that these are the players that failed to qualify for the last European Championships under McClaren, the same players that performed poorly under Sven, and the same players that the next manager will pick should Capello be no more.
And yet everyone wants to ignore the common denominator and sack the manager(Again).
And yet everyone wants to ignore the common denominator and sack the manager(Again).
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Capello has to shoulder some of the responsibilty but there are clearly major problems. Our players lack pace, touch and bottle
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players arent good enough but that doesnt alter the fact the manager cant even speak english nevermind motivate the team
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Players are simply not good enough, but neither is the manager. He played players totally out of position and as stated cannot possibly motivate this team. His post match interview is always the same.... WE PLAYED WELL.... when clearly we didnt.
Surely only a matter of time before an Englishman is back at the helm... Roy Hodgson. Must have taken Fulham as far as he can, give him a go... |
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To be fair ANY manager that picks upson and carragher ahead of dawson deserves to be sacked!!
dawson is better than the 2 of them combined and playing gerard out wide just so a piece of chit like barry can play is just laughable!! |
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Had to laugh at Shearer who just about summed it up when he said,
"In the last 15 mins when we desperately needed goals, he brings a guy like Heskey on who hasn't scored goals all his life !!!!" At that point Capello was already hopelessly exposed, and should go now without the money and his head hung in shame ! |
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Gobsmacking decision, but couldn't he stay and get rid of the 23.
Gerrard, Rooney, Barry all looked homesick for christ's sake. It's time for them to go. |
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I used to rate capello very highly as he's been in charge of some outstanding teams but in hindsight that ac milan team he had was one full of world class players...........he couldnt really fail with that bunch.
The last few matches he's looked lke a rabbit in headlights and tactically bereft...........for the first time in his managerial career e's looked truly stumped,i think any manager would be with the players at his disposal. |
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Sven got them to 3 consecutive quarter finals and lead against brazil in one, 2002, before losing 2-1, in euro 2004 lead against portugal before they scored a late equaliser and even then Campbell had a goal controversially ruled out in the 90th minute before ending 2-2 aet and losing 6-5 on pens, then lost on pens again after playing with 10 men for almost an hour when you include the extra time in 2006. The pens were purely down to the players bottling it. There's a very fine line between a hero and a villain [;)]
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I agree buzzer. A narrow QF defeat against Brazil in the heat is no disgrace - expecting more is unrealistic.
Capello says he wants to stay and that he's turned down other opportunities because he likes the job. I bet he does on £6m pa for what is a part-time job apart from six weeks every two years |
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Wayne Rooney doesn't score and he can't head the ball.
Emile Heskey was put in the side why? Because Rooney needed a companion, a bit like some racehorses like to be accompanied down to the start with a pony. Only problem is here the pony stays on the pitch. I don't blame Capello because the FA have their fingers all over the team, and probably influence selection indirectly. I'm sure many of the back-room staff owe their jobs to the FA, are long-term employees, and put in their few words. Its popular players, big clubs, ticket sales, and television money that dictates things. |
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Why blame Fabio Capello?
I thought he did a pretty good job. If he hadn't replaced that useless Rob Green, we would have been on the plane home after the group stage as there were plenty of attempts on goal by Slovenia and Algeria that James saved but Green would surely have mucked up. He then played his best 11. Believe it or not, Gerard, Rooney, Heskey, Defoe and co are the best team England have. The problem was that they are actually not quite 'World class' players, as the English media/football hype machine would have you believe. World class means: Kaka, Messi, Ronaldo, Torres. Are there any players in our team who really deserve to be mentioned alongside those players. Another problem was that there were tired after a very long season. Perhaps not physically, although injuries clearly were a factor, but certainly mentally. Rooney (who is as close to a world class player as England has) was certainly not "in the zone". We need to restructure the Premiership to include a winter break, like the Bundesliga has, and to focus on ways in which we can develop homegrown talent for the Premiership rather than importing all these foreign players and paying them a fortune. One of the reasons that there is such a huge disconnect between the fans and the players today is that hardly any players belong to the city/region where there are playing. I find it hard to identify with a Liverpool team that only has Gerrard and Carragher as the local boys, for example... |
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Suppose he'd left Rooney, Gerard, Lampard, Terry etc at home and taken a younger team who promptly got knocked out at the same stage. Imagine the abuse - it would all have been "You should have gone with experience" and "The better players would have gone further" which in the end turned out to be bollox. I'm not sure he's the right man for the job but in terms of team selection I don't think he ever really had a chance.
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nice comments RJB, agree with most of them.
The fact of the matter is that the World Cup mattered more to me sat on my sofa last Sunday than it appears to do for many of these players. It probably matters more to most football fans on Betfair. The players will come home, hide from the press, leak banale excuses to blame the manager or tiredness and then disappear off on holiday next week to some Caribbean island or Dubai 7 star hotel. I'd be prepared to bet that at least five of the squad of 23 wont even bother to watch the World Cup Final live. Shame on the lack of application this Summer and just want damned manager do they want? A soft one doesnt work (Sven), a matey one doesn't work (McLaren) and now a disciplinarian doesn't work. Maybe its time to start thinking its not the manager, its the Billy Bigshots and their overinflated opinion of themselves and their skills. Go on holiday with your WAGS and hangers on and have a great time. You maybe managed to put three weeks of a semi committed shift into lifting the mood of everyone at home. I'll watch the final and no doubt see some international players who actually care and scream and cry with passion for their country. If you can be bothered turning on or coming in from the beach maybe you will too. |
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Yeah. Capello took a team that won the World Cup and Euros multiple times and ruined them. I'm sure the NHS can prescribe drugs to combat the delusions of some English fans.
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Sad days when people put their club winning the league ahead of thier country winning the World Cup. Will never be my view but I think I'm in the minority.
Never mind lets sack Capello, what would an Italian know about football and winning competitions. Lets get Harry Redknapp in because he speaks to Talksport on the phone. |
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If we don't 'blame the manager' (capello) and it's just because our players are not good enough then why exactly are we paying him several million to get his services - what exactly is the point in wasting all that money?
We might as well get a Peter Taylor type figure for a part time wage. |
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But you can't have him as my club still need him!
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half the team are overweight. Very few athletes on the team. Ashley Cole would be 1, Jermaine Defoe another. Fit and able to run fast enough and compete.
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Why did he play Crouch more. He always scores.
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*nt*
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I reckon a league 2 manager could have done as good a job as Capello in this WC
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All he really has to do is get the best from his players.
So,did he?? |
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Well he does have to do a bit more,but you know what i mean.At the end of the day if the players perform to the best of their ability,and dont succeed,it means the players arent good enough.
Now i happen to think they did not perform as well as they can,so i am going to blame the manager for failing to get the best out of them. |
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Yes, he got the best out of the players imho
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^ im not having a go at you specifically budd, but i hate the 'get the best out of them' argument - they are grown men ffs. they should be more than able to get the best out of themselves.
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The blame game with the England football team is inevitable and pointless. Always trying to find a reason why we apparently 'under-performed'. Maybe the penny is finally dropping that we're nowhere near as good as we think we are. You listen to the likes of Shearer bigging up the England team ahead of the Germany game saying we are better man-for-man all over the park and have 'world class' players when the exact opposite is actually true - technically the Germans are superior, and they always turn out superior 'teams'. This might explain why they've done better than us at every WC since 1966. It is a complete myth that England are a top int'l team and genuine WC contenders which has been propagated for many years by the tabloids, the likes of Grey and keys on Sky (bigging up players on the back of the Premiership) and the Beeb.
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i dont know if we are as good as some think,probably not would be my guess,but playing people in the wrong position and wrong formation dont help,that i do know.
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Splottside Rocksteady Joined: 28 Feb 10
Replies: 58 29 Jun 10 19:19 ^ im not having a go at you specifically budd, but i hate the 'get the best out of them' argument - they are grown men ffs. they should be more than able to get the best out of themselves. So why are we paying him 6 million quid then???? And Erikkson money-bags before him??? |
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^^
Because it was clearly a reaction to the fact that you had got McLaren on the cheap (relatively) before hand and look what happened there. You were paying to make sure they got to South Africa. |
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If they have any sense they will keep him on. They shouldn't give a fook how good/bad he is. 6million a year and a 10 million settlement if he leaves. He fookin stays till his time is up or they have im taken out. Could have that done for a few grand just talk to Stevie G. Or I'm sure JTs dad could get it done on the cheap. ;-)
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All the sides Capello has won leagues with had star players to start with ,so he had the material to get success.
Any manager that picks Heskey,no matter how successful he has been,is not doing his job properly.Considering the many many World Class players Capello has handled over the years this was a huge mistake. |
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get rid of cappello.bring in redknapp, sack redknapp when he fails at the euro championship and the merry go round will go on and on. . Players just aren't good enough. Carpenters can't work witout saw
s. Football Managers carn't work without good players. |
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Check this out. It was posted earlier but makes a lot of sense. Look at the thread entitled "Is this the reason for Englands performances"
Watch the video of Souness. |
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cricnut - do you really think the players from NZ were 'good enough' to remain unbeaten at this WC? Yet they did - the manager got the best out of those players.
Their 'star' player is one of the lower end players in the Premier League, at best an average player. The rest are mostly championship level players. |